"umm actually college isn't about being able to get a job and if you didn't go you're a loser!"
I know it's likely not a belief in this group but… To those that believe this lie, I ask how?
My father and 3 of my siblings when to college/uni, 1 works in a related field.
If you went into the situation with the wrong idea about what college is for, then yes, I can see how you'd think it was a scam.
"Oh you thought this was about improving your life? No it's about securing your membership in the elite you peasant"
Or if you're someone who didn't attend and are one if the few who are "doing fine" and only have the lies of grifters, then yes, I can see how you'd think it's a scam.
Keep yourself safe cute twink. People like you give education, not even higher education but the very concept of it a bad name.
But college or higher education is not about getting a job, its about acquiring skills, learning how to learn, and how to process it all when you no longer have a teacher.
!r-slurs come get your boy!
What possible point is there to acquiring skills if it doesn't improve my life? What is college a fricking hobby (tbh it is at this point and that's why it's a scam)?
And "learning how to learn"? Oh shut the frick up I've heard that same sorry excuse for why schooling is a waste of time since I was little boy. I learned how to learn in grade school, then again in high school, there's no point in taking a 3rd swing at it.
If you went and only focused on grades in order to get a degree in order to get a job, then you screwed up!
!nooticers these people treat higher ed like a ritual, a passage into adulthood.
You the individual focused on the wrong thing and now want to play the blame game. Its like playing basketball but only focusing on dribbling, of course you won't get the outcome you want your focus was on the wrong thing.
The out come I want is access to jobs I've already done, been trained to do by professionals but have been locked away from me by some insurance adjuster or bitter HR ladygarden.
To those that did not attend but are doing well, congratulations!! You are a prime example of survivor bias. Good for you in pulling 6- figues but the vast majority of people don't or would even get close without some level of higher education.
God they hate the poor. The only people in my family who make 100,000 a year or more are oil field workers. Literally it. And none of them have what an American would consider a college or uni education.
And in what world is 100k "doing alright"? It's fricking rich! I was raised on less than 2k a month in household income.
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If you aren't in a STEM or healthcare major, why are you even going?
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To any young zoomers reading this, stay away from sciences. If you want a future go into Math, physics, engineering, or business, nothing else will get you anything. Chemistry is a dead end, any bioscience is worth less than dirt, med science will make you sound cool, but have you earning less than you did waiting tables. There are only about 4 real degrees remaining, everything else is useless without a Ph.D these days.
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I got a degree in physics and it's high key worthless as undergrad, if you don't plan on teaching or going for a phd heed my advice and go an engineering route
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degree 
for undergrad is so 
do anything
that interests you and get an MBA later.
white extinction is long overdue and business
majors will genocide 
anyone if it raises quarterly profits by 2%.
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What are these 4 degrees?
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Math (if you go to a top tier college, can go into anything, but in general needs a Ph.D from another top tier college)
Physics (if you go to a top tier college, get Ph.D at another top tier college, then quant firms will beg you to work for them)
Engineering - ChemE is okay, need to have high GPA to get into oil, pharma or semiconductors. MechE is good all around, definitely the safest bet. Electrical is only good if you go to a top tier college, but if you do you can go into semiconductors for tons of cash. Comp sci is good if you can survive the rat race, and, as I said before, the best way to do this is go to a top tier college. Biomedical - scam, civil - doesn't pay well, environmental - scam, industrial - half scam.
Business (ONLY DO THIS ONE if you go to a top tier college)
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When everyone goes to college, the only way to differentiate is by which college people go to, unfortunately.
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The funny thing is I remember the quant finance recruiting events from years ago and it was the math and physics students that the companies were clamoring for, way more than the actual finance students.
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Wouldn't math be more applicable too quant firms than physics? Idk shit about it but that sounds like it would make more sense
And as far as engineering how would you rate aerospace?
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Math is more applicable, but in general quant firms operate by hiring whoever is the smartest and then teaching them quant. Statistically speaking, physics majors are the smartest people, especially in their eyes quantum physics people, so they are more likely to hire them over a generic math Ph.D. You can also get in as a comp sci person into some of the larger firms, like Jane Street and Citadel (although this is extremely difficult), but the boutique elite tier quant firms will not hire anyone without a really good Ph.D and tons of publications proving their intelligence. As for aerospace, its not a bad major, the issue is that it is very specific. In my opinion, it is better to go into MechE because a MechE can basically do anything an aerospace engineer can do, and more. With aerospace you are pigeon-holed into companies like Boeing, so in this age, you don't want to limit your options.
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The main benefit of aerospace is that you can have s*x with the airplanes when your coworkers aren't looking.
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Add law to that and i agree
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If you go to a top tier college. Tbh you can do anything if you go to a top tier college.
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On the undergrad level, it's way more because the student is already likely to succeed than it is the college making them more likely to succeed (relative to other colleges)
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Math and physics (but only if you're lucky and land something in banking), engineering, business, nursing/any direct to work degree in healthcare, and geology (you'll have to work in the middle of nowhere and be away for weeks at a time). Go into liberal arts if you're from a wealthy family, go into bio or chem if you come from a poor family and want to be even poorer.
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Is geology profitable because of oil or what? @PeepeeButtKiss figured that would be a worthless degree. And why is bio and chem so worthless?
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Work in pharma, can confirm everything you say. You need a Ph.D to do anything nowadays and even it is not worth the effort. There is one route for non-Ph.Ds though, but it is really hard to get into. If you can get into manufacturing process engineering, you can make as much money as a new Ph.D, with just a bachelors, starting. However, you need to get a really good gpa, go to a well-known college, do internships at the big names, or know someone. The good thing is once you get in you're set because it is not popular and you won't face much competition in the higher levels. Controls is also a booming field, but it will probably get hit really hard by AI.
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My wife was a science major. She now makes about $250k plus stock at a biotech company. (She has a PhD tho)
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Guaranteed non-American here. Physicians and midlevels rent-seek like mad in the states.
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Why is chemistry a dead end? And what can you do with a math degree besides actuary?
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Math has a very good trajectory if you're intelligent enough and sell your soul to investment banking. chemistry is dead because everything has been discovered, you don't need somebody creating novel methods because it's all been done 100 years ago.
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lmao
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My friends in business graduated and have well paying jobs; my friends in bio/chem are tutoring and cleaning dishes. Plus, my business friends enjoyed their time in university, STEMcels usually think about killing themselves at least once.
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I chose liberal arts because I want to learn. And the great books are in my opinion one of the best ways to do that. But campy as it sounds, follow your passion. It leads to excellence and no matter what field youre in, with excellence you will find success. !zoomers
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Please tell us your parents at least paid for it and you aren't betting on "excellence" paying equivalent dividends to $100k in debt compounded over 20 years
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I got scholarship and 20k in debt. I might just chop wood after the degree but I can say my mind has changed drastically since enrollling. I say its worth it, your mileage may very
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I'd say if mummy and daddy can bankroll it a liberal arts education could be ideal (assuming you don't have a proclivity towards something economically viable like STEM or law), but a liberal arts education plus a five-digit weight on your shoulder is far inferior to project gutenberg and google.
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My passion is sitting at home doing the arts for free.99
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Then follow that and develop it the way you best see fit!
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It is a 4 year all-inclusive resort where you can put off adulthood.
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TEM or a healthcare major is just vocational school. It's fine to be a working class blue collar bozo but that's not really college. Humanities, Social Science, and Natural Science are actual academic degrees.
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