I can pull numbers out of my butt too, but I wouldn't really care if it was 100%. They produce goods. What value does tens of millions of people living in a ticking time bomb provide?
I think Arizona kicked them out but they use loopholes to pump all the groundwater to make hay in the desert, and ship it to UAE to feed their glorious Arabian steeds
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Farmers in California irrigate inefficiently because many have no cost associated with usage. For example, they sometimes flood entire fields. We could farm the same amount of crops, have twice as many people, and supply it all comfortably if there was any cost incentive to efficiently use water when farming.
But not, Sacramento wants us to take shorter showers.
I'm sure water is used inefficiently, but there is no way yield wouldn't fall and prices wouldn't rise as a result of trying to correct it. Over watering crops is a thing. They aren't just leaving the hose on for shits and giggles. They are aiming for optimum yield.
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They are aiming for optimum yield.
Yes, for those farms, but optimum yield when your water price is $0 leads to wacky practices.
A non-zero water price for all farms would likely increase overall yields, though, because only some particular (huge) farms have free water. The rest pay for it. (Yes, it's weird.) The usage by free water farms creates scarcity for the rest, driving up prices. Even a tiny cost to all farms would drive major efficiency gains in the industry, which would reduce scarcity for everyone else (the buyers of water in California), driving down water prices for everyone else (including many farms).
Today's situation is some farms flooding fields and others over-investing in efficiency due to prices driven up by the former.
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In California, water appropriations that were active before 1914 allow the holder to divert as much as they want from any bodies or natural conveyances that they have historically appropriated. Farms that hold those rights use it to flood their fields even when the state is in drought.
It needs reform. Australia had a similar system previously and reformed it to something sensible. California should probably do similar reforms, and it will likely require an amendment to the California constitution (not that it's hard for popular measures).
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Maybe having one of our largest populations live out in a desert isn't exactly great planning.
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Residential water usage in CA is under 10% of all usage in the state. We have plenty of water. It is poorly budgeted.
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Wack, but we need food. Go live somewhere else.
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92% exported btw
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I can pull numbers out of my butt too, but I wouldn't really care if it was 100%. They produce goods. What value does tens of millions of people living in a ticking time bomb provide?
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It's not though, it's only a time bomb because we let Arab's r*pe our land
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Did we switch to talking about Israel and I missed it?
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I think Arizona kicked them out
but they use loopholes to pump all the groundwater to make hay in the desert, and ship it to UAE to feed their glorious Arabian steeds 
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Farmers in California irrigate inefficiently because many have no cost associated with usage. For example, they sometimes flood entire fields. We could farm the same amount of crops, have twice as many people, and supply it all comfortably if there was any cost incentive to efficiently use water when farming.
But not, Sacramento wants us to take shorter showers.
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I'm sure water is used inefficiently, but there is no way yield wouldn't fall and prices wouldn't rise as a result of trying to correct it. Over watering crops is a thing. They aren't just leaving the hose on for shits and giggles. They are aiming for optimum yield.
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Yes, for those farms, but optimum yield when your water price is $0 leads to wacky practices.
A non-zero water price for all farms would likely increase overall yields, though, because only some particular (huge) farms have free water. The rest pay for it. (Yes, it's weird.) The usage by free water farms creates scarcity for the rest, driving up prices. Even a tiny cost to all farms would drive major efficiency gains in the industry, which would reduce scarcity for everyone else (the buyers of water in California), driving down water prices for everyone else (including many farms).
Today's situation is some farms flooding fields and others over-investing in efficiency due to prices driven up by the former.
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That is odd. Did not know it worked that way for only a portion.
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In California, water appropriations that were active before 1914 allow the holder to divert as much as they want from any bodies or natural conveyances that they have historically appropriated. Farms that hold those rights use it to flood their fields even when the state is in drought.
It needs reform. Australia had a similar system previously and reformed it to something sensible. California should probably do similar reforms, and it will likely require an amendment to the California constitution (not that it's hard for popular measures).
It's literally gold rush bullshit:
https://www.watereducation.org/aquapedia/appropriative-rights
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No water? They have the ocean right there. Drink that.
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