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:redlight: :smugjak:California could end the United States as we know it :soyjakanimeglasses: :redlight: :bidenshocked:

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What do los angeles redditors think about californians leaving the US?

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To be fair most of the comments are pointing out how r-slurred that would be

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lol California will secede as soon as Texas does (never). More toddlers stomping their feet and threatening to run away when they don't get their way

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>secede from union

>get immediately occupied by the US army

>????

>rejoin union

>sulk about it for the next 200 years

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>Get buttfricked by Republicans

>Land is salted

>Cities burned

>Communities destroyed

>Property siezed

>Becomes Republican

:#marseymoonshine: :#marseysaluteconfederacy:

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I dont get whole souther democrat to republican thing

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Party_System

It wasn't just the Southern Strategy, though that played a part. But to a great degree, the real segregationist George Wallace voters were frozen out of politics, which was generally accepted as the right thing to do β€” they were not simply adopted into the Republican Party after Nixon. Rather their departure created a vacuum in which a new culture could emerge. My grandfather came to Louisiana in the '60s as a Republican, was active in desegregation efforts, and died decades later a Republican. These people were not about to offer a fig leaf to segregationists, regardless of what the new propaganda says.

Decades after Nixon, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee and Georgia voted for Clinton in 1992. In fact the bluest states on the top map have all had ongoing flickers of Democratic success (Clinton from Arkansas, Manchin from WV, NC 2008, GA 2020-22). But the South is very religious and as the Sixth Party System developed, the Republicans increasingly became the party of Christianity (for better and for worse), while the Episcopal Church in the Northeast started to collapse into irrelevance β€” in principle it was always an aberration that Anglicanism had persisted in the United States. This resulted in formerly Republican VT/NH/ME becoming safe Democrat strongholds. It was the religious realignment that cemented the Sixth Party System with a Republican South and Democratic North.

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Well that and Wallace being almost assassinated in '72 after being quietly recognized as the front runner in the DNC national primary contests. That right there was pretty convenient for a establishment that pushed widespread unpopular integration politics via court order, in spite of democracy, not because of it.

Not that I have much evidence of any conspiracy, only that it was a stroke of luck a populist politician with charisma, nebulous platform, and hardliner segregationist views with a national profile caught a bullet at the perfect moment by someone who previously supported him.

!schizos !chuds !historychads


Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.

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I forgot !nooticers


Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.

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Your pulitzer's in the mail

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So it was republican party going to christians in 90s that cemented whole thing.

Episcopal Church in the Northeast started to collapse into irrelevance

Wasnt their whole thing live and let live. They didnt push themselves. Even if they were very powerful at one point. I rember reading in post civil war book about charity workers/missionaries who went to south. They didnt try to recruit anyone. They didnt build churches. Southerners hadnt even heard them. Even when it was the chruch of boston elite.

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Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "BIPOC, BIPOC, BIPOC." By 1968 you can't say "BIPOC"β€”that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow meβ€”because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a heck of a lot more abstract than "BIPOC, BIPOC."

They ended up quoting him on that.

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>when shitlibs were in power, they demanded obedience to the Biden administration, compliance to law, maintenance of the political status-quo, silencing of critics, censorship of social media, and arrest of heckin bad faith Jan 6th capitol terrorists

>now that they get voted out of power, they start sperging about election fraud, threatening secession and rebellion against the government, begging foreign countries for help, building a #resistance movement, demanding freedom of speech, and criticizing social media censorship

:#marseyitsallsotiresome: !grillers !commenters !nooticers !burgers

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Imagine how nice America would be if you could force all the worst people you know to sequester themselves in California and never come out

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You need to listen to us because we're team good.

We don't need to listen to you because we're team good.

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This is what chuds actually believe

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The chuds are right tho, shitlibs do be like that, it's one of their main defining features at this point

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No I mean chuds are good team thinkers

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I think it's amazing Democrats have somehow convinced people they're the adults in the room.

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>There are still people unironically caring about muh hypocrisy and precedent

Read Carl Schmitt :marseyunamused:

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>Read

:#chadno: :#didntreadlol: :#dukenukemtldr: :#marseylongpost: !r-slurs

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>Read

:#chadyes: :#marseyreading: :#marseynerdy: :#marseyreading3:

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They know it's a game and they're playing the winning moves

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And they swap places every 4 years :marseygiganoyou:

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>every state that has ever demanded to leave all do at once

>New mega country made called united states of America 2 that is every state

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It would be based if you kicked out Vermont, and admitted Puerto Rico instead.

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Bro... don't talk about vermont like that.. don't ever come by the big V expecting peace again. on EA grave.

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new hampshire should :marseynorm: annex it so that the new state :marseygambler: looks like a square :marseydonda:

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Every time Leftoids bring up the idea of seceding or strongly embracing localism, someone always responds with "errrrrmmmm but if we secede or focus on states rights, zillions of women and blacks in Alabama and marginalized folx will be genocided for getting abortions", and then all the talk of secession dies down like clockwork. Their profound guilt complex has them trapped in a dysfunctional marriage with the hooting chud red states

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Modern day white man's burden

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The white man's bussy

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Since when did jews become white?

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Whenever people talk about how Republican states take more federal money than they pay, they neglect to realize that this is mostly social programs which Republicans would be more than happy to dismantle.

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>"Haha stupid republicans being so stupid, look at this data"

>okay google, overlay a map of the black diaspora in the united states

>"N-not that data, chud!"

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I got piled on by statistically ignorant redditors for pointing this out.

:marseysmug2: Hah, Republicans are dumb, check out how NAEP scores correlate with how red/blue states are.

:marseygrilling2: They correlate better with the proportion that's black and Latinx. :marseyindignant:

:marseygrilling2: If you regress out race, there is no association with political affiliation. :marseymad:

:marseygrilling2: And if you regress out political affiliation, race is still significant. :marseyraging:

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Social programs for Dem cities. And a lot of it is also subsidies that allow cities to exist without being even more expensive. They love pooping on the farmers and the communities being subsidized by "city taxes" (business taxes that redditors are unlikely to contribute to notably), but if those communities weren't kept on life support and the farm good prices kept down, cities would just be fricked.

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In California's case, it's completely wrong. They get back what they give pretty much. It's the old money northeastern states to give more than they receive.

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No state gives more than they receive. It's an asinine exercise in double think by people who voted for higher state taxes because in their minds government is effectively Oliver Twist just trying to get by, but also conveniently forget that these were state taxes when it comes time to talk about national budgets.

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It's also literally just a case of "rich people pay more taxes" which progs especially just fricking love ("tax the rich!!") except when the poor are "bad people" (republicans) then frick 'em.

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It also includes shit like Social Security Payouts or the FBI moving funds from one office to another.

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It's mostly military bases.

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This underestimates how much Californians will mald about Donald bullying them over FEMA funds. Never come between a Californian and his single family home next to a grove of explosive Eucalyptus trees.

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I'm so sick and fricking tired of hearing about the senate.

It's like 6th grade history class you learn why the senate and house exist. Holy frick it's all so tiresome.

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Political compromises that were made 250 years ago were actually a secret plot by republicans

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At least Redditors are getting more honest and moving to "yeah but California and New York should enslave the rest of the union"

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But the idea if my becoming Que-- er, Premier of California is very appealing.

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Ok but have you considered that the political minority has the wrong opinion so the electoral college and senate is actually anti-democratic???

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Yeah let's see how big California's economy is when they have to grow all their own food and muster an entire military by themselves lmao


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Yeah let's see how big California's economy is when they have to grow all their own food

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https://www.ers.usda.gov/faqs !nonchuds

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Someone in the thread made a good point that the farmers are chuds and would probably separate east ca from west ca lmao

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The water comes from states to the east of CA. The US could literally just cut them off.

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Don't forget the newly Chudded Canada can also turn off the taps

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No, it comes from NorCal which is solid red.

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CA gets 15% of their water from the Colorado River.

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That's just because it's cheap, we could build more canals and dams from the Cascades, it'd just take a bit of money for the infrastructures.

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Lol. Lmao even. CA's environmentalists would never allow any major infrastructure project to happen quick enough without millions dying in the ensuing drought.

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Trve doebeit :marseysad:

We used to be the state that on its own could make world renowned infrastructure projects and look at us now.

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for LA and SD which are basically desserts, most of the rest is supplied by sierra nevadas/cascades

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>Cutting off 50% of the water supply to 10+MM people is actually no big deal

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eh we'll cut some almond plantations. CA isn't actually starved for residential water. in total, it accounts for like <10% of our total usage.

politicians like to keep preaching about a drought but it's mostly hot air cause real water reform hasn't actually been necessary yet.

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Nevada and Arizona????

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Yes actually

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Better question is would big tech stick around if they did something that r-slurred.

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Even many people in tech and hollywood have no real roots to california and would high tail it back to their home state or country if war broke out

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They would lol. On one of the California ballots someone proposed splitting the state into like 3-4 different states based on their political and cultural differences.

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B-word, we produce almonds and avocados. You can't live off that shit, but they make good money.

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Most of their actual food is grown in Cali or imported from other countries.

Do people actually think spinach is grown in Iowa? Flyover states grow: field corn, sugarbeet, and cereal grains. If middle America disappeared overnight you'd pay more for Big Macs, American cheese, and sugary garbage. And potatoes too I guess. That's it.

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So all meat, flour, sugar, dairy, cheese, and eggs? Basically nothing.

What would we do without our pecans and grapes :marseyitsover:

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I hate to tell you this but California produces all that too lol.

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Don't they get all their water from the Colorado river?

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And where does that big beautiful river get it's headwaters fromπŸ€”

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Colorado's rockies?

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Erm, Canada will not let you divide us

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I don't think Canada contributes to the Colorado River but I'm not sure, if it does it's probably not much compared to the rockies

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Erm, the Rockies start in ALBERTA sweaty.

Do the math and don't Tariff us too hard please.

No one like Castreau....it's not OUR fault Brampton elected the obviously closeted cute twink.

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Erm the river doesn't though sweaty

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I have no idea but that seems reasonable :marseyshrug:

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BIPOCcute twinkr-slur btw

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California relies upon the Colorado River for agricultural water, I don't know if the USA would give that much water to an independent California.

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those liberals living in LA who want to be be just like their 1860s democrat counterparts will definitely be able to grow their own food.

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Or when the inevitable cataclysmic earthquake comes from the San Adreas Fault and the state is wrecked lol

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It's happened before :marseyhmm:

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I cast Divine Shield on Lv1_DarkWizard

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@Lappland inflicts R*PE

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That's a pretty good roll!


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Yeah I'm sure every Californian, especially LA, is feeling a lot of pride and loyalty towards the state government rn.

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WE BEAT THEM IN 1865 WE'LL BEAT THEM AGAIN

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