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10d ago#7706364
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I keep seeing claims that these programs give the U.S. "soft power," but all I see is a bunch of ungrateful thirdies blaming America for all their problems and claiming to be self sufficient while also complaining about the gibs stopping.
Long/Nose Serial Serious Replyer Glocktavious 10d ago#7706408
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People are so concerned with "soft power" while china is in these countries giving out billions of dollars of loans and building infrastructure so they can control them with the "hard power" of bottomless debt for the next 200 years
Lol what? States have credit scores too. The same reason you gotta pay your bills as a person, countries have to pay their bills too, or else they might get denied loans.
Why do you think BRI is mostly contained to states with terrible credit scores lol? China thought it'd score a point by investing in markets other financiers refused to serve but this was done by politicians running roughshod over actual concerns over repayment. Most Chinese loans come at higher interest rates than equivalents from WDB/ADB, only reason to take one is you can't get them from those agencies.
They have been taking constant Ls on those investments for a while now. You know who else is a major investor in a lot of these countries? Japan. How much international influence does Japan have lol?
Now ultimately even $100B isn't that much for China over a decade. They have to combat US for influence across world now that it has turned somewhat hostile to them and this is a necessary spend for that. But it isn't some ez way to establish global dominion lol.
He's saying that the Jews have already stopped lending to them, and now they're taking the Chinks for a ride. These African countries just discovered their own version of the Citizens Bank glitch.
They can just go for infinite restructuring. When's the last time a country really defaulted? Unable to import fuel, food, meds? It'd be immediately declared a humanitarian crisis and funds would flow lol. Like it happened with Sri Lanka recently.
What is the expense of fighting a war thousands of kms from your border and what will you recover from a war devastated economy?
Besides even USA has never done that lol. China def won't be bringing back gunboat diplomacy till its sole power in the game. Remember how suez crisis went and that was two american allies not a rival like China.
Margins will be devastated by cost of security apparatus. Mines are hundreds of kms in the middle of nowhere how easy do you think running them will be in a scenario where the entire population sees you as colonizers. Every truck will have to be in a convoy, staff will have to be guarded 24/7 and there will still be casualties. Mining is as it is fairly low margin affair even in ideal conditions. Lots of mines go under when prices slump. Kind of like oil.
Its just not realistic in current year. And besides, western fear mongering aside, Chinx actually do have socialist moralism. It won't fly with their own pop. Check some of the recent movies they've made about Chink supersoldiers fighting terrorists and their yt sponsors in ME/Africa, they see themselves as yellow saviours. They don't have stomach for empire outside what they think are their historical lands. Yet.
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Glocktavious 10d ago#7706534
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South Africa is one of the worst of them all because one, South Africa isn't an actual third world country that needs this level of assistance. It's just woefully corrupt (even by thirdie standards). They could pay for this shit themselves if their government stopped stealing.
And two, South Africa joined an economic bloc with China and Russia while the former was performing military drills around Taiwan (US ally) and the latter was invading Ukraine (another US ally). If all these gibs can't even stop you from joining an economic alliance with our two biggest geopolitical rivals who are constantly threatening our allies, then no actual "soft power" is being cultivated and SA is literally just scamming us for free healthcare.
BRICS is an excellent point. Also the fact that China is probably buying more of South Africa's raw material exports, not the US. Even if you were two accept the argument from the second link that PEPFAR is keeping South African workers healthy, the farmer in Idaho isn't securing John Deere's supply lines, but China's. And since Canada is the world's largest aluminum exporter, that's where US importers are buying it from anyway.
The drug funding isn't paying them and they buy drugs.
Low-income countries are exempt from drug patents and 3rd countries can manufacture them on their behalf. State department pays pharma to add n% capacity to their existing lines in the US and produce drugs for those countries at the same time they produce drugs for those who pay for them. Like food aid its actually a gibs program for burgers.
Pepperglueme/mam Party like it's 1999 10d ago#7706951
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I understand the appeal to sending aid to the less fortunate, but if they continue to align themselves with Russia and PRC, maybe they should ask them for such aids
Our govt don't want anyone to remember that the Minister of Health, as a high ranking ANC member told South Africans that ARVs are dangerous while promoting garlic and beetroot for HIV.
not too long ago, the guy who was the south african president at the time said that the cure for AIDS was to creampie a virgin and eat lemons or something like that. the place is backward as frick.
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gfofonjds 9d ago#7713337
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Sure, I don't give a fricking shit about Africa or their bug nets or crippling aids epidemic. Esoteric soft power bullshit that actually adds up to a whopping nothing isn't much of a incentive.
I was going to write an essay about natural resources and how African countries are developing despite your racist worldview, but you're too clearly brainrotted by wingcuckery to understand or care. Mutts really do deserve everything China does to them in the coming years. Death to Pigmerica.
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gfofonjds 8d ago#7714672
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Well the cool thing about that tired butt argument is that we have been beaten over the head with it for years and all it does is cost us money. Americans voted against your globalist hand wringing and absolutely are not afraid of a one world china-Africa government.
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I keep seeing claims that these programs give the U.S. "soft power," but all I see is a bunch of ungrateful thirdies blaming America for all their problems and claiming to be self sufficient while also complaining about the gibs stopping.
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People are so concerned with "soft power" while china is in these countries giving out billions of dollars of loans and building infrastructure so they can control them with the "hard power" of bottomless debt for the next 200 years
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Lol nah states are sovereign ultimately debt is a worthless paper if state decides. What can China do if the country is unable to pay? Nothing.
Really all you can do with sovereign states is build goodwill and hope it works out.
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Lol what? States have credit scores too. The same reason you gotta pay your bills as a person, countries have to pay their bills too, or else they might get denied loans.
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Why do you think BRI is mostly contained to states with terrible credit scores lol? China thought it'd score a point by investing in markets other financiers refused to serve but this was done by politicians running roughshod over actual concerns over repayment. Most Chinese loans come at higher interest rates than equivalents from WDB/ADB, only reason to take one is you can't get them from those agencies.
They have been taking constant Ls on those investments for a while now. You know who else is a major investor in a lot of these countries? Japan. How much international influence does Japan have lol?
Now ultimately even $100B isn't that much for China over a decade. They have to combat US for influence across world now that it has turned somewhat hostile to them and this is a necessary spend for that. But it isn't some ez way to establish global dominion lol.
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I'm saying that countries still have to pay bills if they want the jews to still lend to them.
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He's saying that the Jews have already stopped lending to them, and now they're taking the Chinks for a ride. These African countries just discovered their own version of the Citizens Bank glitch.
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They can just go for infinite restructuring. When's the last time a country really defaulted? Unable to import fuel, food, meds? It'd be immediately declared a humanitarian crisis and funds would flow lol. Like it happened with Sri Lanka recently.
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sanction them to frick and blockage their ports?
If some african country declared it didn't feel like paying back China, who would actually go to war to prevent China from collecting on it
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What is the expense of fighting a war thousands of kms from your border and what will you recover from a war devastated economy?
Besides even USA has never done that lol. China def won't be bringing back gunboat diplomacy till its sole power in the game. Remember how suez crisis went and that was two american allies not a rival like China.
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USA does nation building, china would go raid their gold reserves or diamond mines or whatever
or simply blow things up above the value they are owed
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Margins will be devastated by cost of security apparatus. Mines are hundreds of kms in the middle of nowhere how easy do you think running them will be in a scenario where the entire population sees you as colonizers. Every truck will have to be in a convoy, staff will have to be guarded 24/7 and there will still be casualties. Mining is as it is fairly low margin affair even in ideal conditions. Lots of mines go under when prices slump. Kind of like oil.
Its just not realistic in current year. And besides, western fear mongering aside, Chinx actually do have socialist moralism. It won't fly with their own pop. Check some of the recent movies they've made about Chink supersoldiers fighting terrorists and their yt sponsors in ME/Africa, they see themselves as yellow saviours. They don't have stomach for empire outside what they think are their historical lands. Yet.
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Slavery is the answer here.
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Use it as an excuse to start a REAL colonization.
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America - yeahhhh soft power, sawft rang of powwaaa. Very good for tax payer
WHO - what lab leak? China numba won!
America - but the rangs! The range of soft powa!
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Does America have ED
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!burgers discuss
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If we had really good arrangements for major bases in the Philippines, the Rockies might go up 1000 feet.![:marseythumbsup: :marseythumbsup:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseythumbsup.webp)
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If only there was a way to compete with China making these countries dependant on them![:marseyhmm: :marseyhmm:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyhmm.webp)
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South Africa is one of the worst of them all because one, South Africa isn't an actual third world country that needs this level of assistance. It's just woefully corrupt (even by thirdie standards). They could pay for this shit themselves if their government stopped stealing.
And two, South Africa joined an economic bloc with China and Russia while the former was performing military drills around Taiwan (US ally) and the latter was invading Ukraine (another US ally). If all these gibs can't even stop you from joining an economic alliance with our two biggest geopolitical rivals who are constantly threatening our allies, then no actual "soft power" is being cultivated and SA is literally just scamming us for free healthcare.
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BRICS is an excellent point. Also the fact that China is probably buying more of South Africa's raw material exports, not the US. Even if you were two accept the argument from the second link that PEPFAR is keeping South African workers healthy, the farmer in Idaho isn't securing John Deere's supply lines, but China's. And since Canada is the world's largest aluminum exporter, that's where US importers are buying it from anyway.
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The drug funding isn't paying them and they buy drugs.
Low-income countries are exempt from drug patents and 3rd countries can manufacture them on their behalf. State department pays pharma to add n% capacity to their existing lines in the US and produce drugs for those countries at the same time they produce drugs for those who pay for them. Like food aid its actually a gibs program for burgers.
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Us thirdies like too pretend that we are affected by everything the USA does. @Sneedman say this as a feminist ally.
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DESE RINGS OF SOFT POWAAAA! If we don't send millions of dollars to every shithole around the world we lose OUR RING OF SOFT POWWWAAA
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Would love a breakdown of how much that corrupt government actually puts toward the program
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upkong the post![:marseybeanangry: :marseybeanangry:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseybeanangry.webp)
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How many gold AKs and boer farms does that buy
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Cut off all funding for medical circumcisions. @Sneedman say this as a feminist ally.
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Our donations, our choice sweaty
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I understand the appeal to sending aid to the less fortunate, but if they continue to align themselves with Russia and PRC, maybe they should ask them for such aids
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China gave me aids.
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Lmao is this real kaamy?
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Their president told the country that you could prevent HIV by showering
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yes, i think
@Sneedman even made a post about last year
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not too long ago, the guy who was the south african president at the time said that the cure for AIDS was to creampie a virgin and eat lemons or something like that. the place is backward as frick.
i'm like 95% sure it was south africa, anyway
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I made a longpost about it!
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Actually IT IS our responsibility as white folx. Ever heard of something called slavery chud? Us crackers exploited innocent black folx for millennia.
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What you want me to say?
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Just curious - I honestly think programs like this are a natural extension of white mans burden type thinking.
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omg nobody cares??
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BIPOC
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Not me, my ancestors were good people
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I hope South Africa collapses and everyone sees what a fricking joke BRICS is.![:marseyheart: :marseyheart:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyheart.webp)
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Just leave. Move to Botswana or something.
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MUH SOFFFFT POWWWWWAAAA! MUH SOFT RINGGGG!! DESE SOFT RINGS OF POWAAAAAA
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What is the end goal of isolationists? Abandon every country on earth and let China influence them instead?
Please explain your thought process here.
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WHAT IF CHINA TOOK OUR SOFT RANG???? OUR SOFT RANG OF POWAAAAAAAA????
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Yeah what if they did that? Are you willingly going to help them do it?
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Sure, I don't give a fricking
shit about Africa
or their bug nets or crippling aids epidemic. Esoteric
soft power
bullshit
that actually
adds up to a whopping nothing isn't much of a incentive.
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I was going to write an essay about natural resources and how African countries are developing despite your racist worldview, but you're too clearly brainrotted by wingcuckery to understand or care. Mutts really do deserve everything China does to them in the coming years. Death to Pigmerica.
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Well the cool thing about that tired butt argument is that we have been beaten over the head with it for years and all it does is cost us money. Americans voted against your globalist hand wringing and absolutely are not afraid of a one world china-Africa government.
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Snapshots:
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they should donate it to Russia instead![:marseysaluteussr: :marseysaluteussr:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysaluteussr.webp)
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Wasn't AIDS suppose to genocide Africa?
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