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The blue states would prosper. The red states would not. The red states would beg for re unification within a few years.Remember that time a bunch of libertarians tried to take over a town and shortly after they were overrun with bears? It would be like that but on a much larger scale (10)
Really!? OMG. I'm still laughing! (-3)
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Blue states have enough farms though. (-4)
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I'm not sure that you understand that all that red is where nobody lives, except the uneducated, low class people who don't realize democratic policies actually benefit them.
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Those "uneducated, low class people" grow all your food, numbnuts. Nobody lives there except miles and miles of crops. Have you never been outside of a major city?Without them, you'd get hunted for food.Seriously, ask yourself what some random farmer in the Midwest needs from you. You have nothing of value to them except money that they mostly reinvest to grow more food โ FOR YOU. (-3)
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You have a child's way of viewing complex issues. Food shortages would never happen. Surprise, blue states grow shit too. They also buy, and pragmatic red states would be more than happy to sell locally rather than export.Nukes, this is a joke, right. This more sounds like $Trump bullshit. Go ahead, picture one single nuke on our continent. Just one, anywhere. There are too many analogies to dumb this down; ya don't shit where you get your food, dip ur pen in the company inkwell, etc. The result would be catastrophic both human and commercial. Those farmers you brag so much about, their corn immediately has no market. Drown in their own corn if you will.The truth is somewhere near this; the large blue and red states would be fine. The remaining dregs will need to figure out how to sell their worthiness or will simply be absorbed by the larger ones. (0)
For being so smug, you sure are dumb. The blue do grow crops, but they absolutely grow less than they consume. Feel free to look it up, but if you don't think you need to educate yourself before looking stupid again, just think about the population densityโฆcrazy concept. And these pragmatic red states wouldn't be selling food to the opposing side during a war. That's actually the dumbest thing you said in your first paragraph. No one bragged about farmersโฆit's a simple fact that is extremely relevant. One that you're proving needed to be said. As to the nukes though. Our nukes aren't for offense. As we all know, we made that mistake once, and we're still suffering from it and the testing of nukes. I mentioned them as they're a deterrent to other nuclear powers. Of which, there's two big ones across the pacific. Completely missing the point and responding in a condescending manner while being completely wrong is what sounds like Trump stupidity. Nearly every country of any notable si... (2)
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Our country is very interconnected and unfortunately it would be an ugly war for us to split. (4)
I know a few guys that have actively called for civil war over the last 8 years. The way they say these words so casually terrifies me. I've listened to a lot of Dan carlins hardcore history and he speaks on what happens to civilians during war time and this terrifies me. Boys are conscripted or killed off so they won't cause problems in the future wife's and daughters turned into s*x slaves or r*ped and murder. I think we have a very idealized vision of what war is because the United States has not had a peer to peer battle in a long time. This would not end well. (4)
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I don't think it's the same at allThe civil war was about slavery and federalism, mostly slaveryI think the current climate is very broad imo (1)
Regardless of the specifics of that era, the precursors of a society becoming polarized to the point of hating those who disagree with them is the same. This time, instead of slavery, it's the poor and disenfranchised that are suffering. And the level of greed in today's society is no less than it was then, in fact it's worse. And we just have to look at reproductive rights to see that federalism is being slowly choked to death. America is being wedged apart, with the divide getting wider every day. (1)
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These BIPOCs are r-slurred to a degree I can't even understand. Most cities are usually split to some 30-70 or 40-60 split on parties. Rural parts of large states (ie California) are pretty red. Only places like New York where it's basically all suburbs and city would be solid blue. Assuming basically all flyover states go with the Red faction, along with obvious splits in "blue" states, they'd have a solid chunk of things. Not much in terms of coastal access but a fair amount of actual farmland, manufacturing and resource of the country.
Blue faction would end up with coasts and the "highest GDP" areas, but most of those places are software producers but don't have too much in proper manufacturing or refining. Both would be reliant on eachother but just have different government systems. Blue would use the money they get to purchase Red crops, probably using a lot of migrant labor to actually work in manual labor as citizens are told to focus heavily on technology. Red would be pretty happy with that deal since they have no way of global shipping since even Texas isn't some solid red. Maybe Florida could act as a major shipping lane but I don't think global crop export is as effective as selling to the nearby coastal guys with high populations.
Purple being contested since Canada would 100% intervene. There would be a lot more splits and messy borders but the online map tool can't really show that
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Neighbor if the US split into two countries then Canada would become an official Chinese vasal state, rather than just an unofficial one.
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Russia, China and India would have a proxy war in Canada to see who gets to keep it
Edit: The funniest thing about this is that all 3 nations have a culture of street-pooping.
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Russia would announce a 3 day Special Military Operation to de-Burgerfy Alaska and regain a foot hold in North America... only to get bogged down in the Aleutian islands or something.
Indian backed forces would of course consist of
who, from a combination of nepotism, scamming and outsourcing their own work to other 
for cheap, would render the operation a complete failure in every way.
The People's Republic of Jianada would be established with little fanfare or opposition.
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Russia is a joke, and we're nearly at the point where we'd gladly kneel to China to clear the Indians.
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I'd play that video game, tbh. Provided it has female stealth units that look like this
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Would be kinda kino now that I think about it
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Bluemerica would turn into an extended California ghetto, Redmerica would go protectionist and slow growth
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The democrat war machine fueled by solar panels while oilchads keep drilling
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Less civil war fantasy, more what happens as more and more tech and finance companies sneak away from the west and northeast coast. All these Starbucks baristas who don't pay taxes brag and brag about how red states live on welfare, but aside from it being more complicated than that with the way farms enable cities, if/when California tech and East coast finance evacuate, their taxes get BTFO while their cost of living continues to skyrocket with blue policies.
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Needing to import things has nothing to do with it, all countries import things.
Most of the incest states are relatively wealthy because they are part of the US, the wealthier states pull them up. If MS was its own country it would sit between Hungary & Poland, that assumes they could maintain the same level of government spending they currently have. You are going to see a preview of what happens if they manage to close down ED, even the wealthier southern states only educate tards because the feds bribe them to do so and IEPs/tard schooling will simply stop being a thing.
TX, FL & GA are the only southern states that would absolutely be sustainable independently. VA is too under current numbers but without the federal government no one would have a job.
I think a much more likely scenario is a switch towards a federation rather than a republic. Central government does much less. I still don't think this is likely at all as it means double taxing until national debt is paid off.
Your understanding of what states produce is pretty poor. 60% of our vegetables come from Mexico, grain is the only class of plant ag commodities where we are self-sufficient. We are self-sufficient in meat too but that is largely as USDA make it fairly difficult to import meat.
The southern states are mostly meat and feed producers not human grain producers, vast amounts of arable land are used for ranching.
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The US exports more than it imports, and as you said grain is one we produce large amounts of in export along with soybeans. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/agricultural-trade
its not as if the US couldn't produce large amounts of fruits and vegetables, in the 1980's we only imported some 30% of fruits and 10% of vegetables. Vegetable percents have grown due to NAFTA signing in 1992 (https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/charts-of-note/chart-detail?chartId=107008)
and the growths aren't due to some needing of essential food to stave starvation, its because people year round want things like strawberries and bananas. We import 60% of fruit and about 40% of vegetables.
Your 60% of Mexican vegetables number is the amount of imported product which is FROM Mexico making up the whole of imported vegetables. 40% of that import is from various other countries.
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Which doesn't change the blue states are not going to import vegetables from the red states that they don't grow and the largest plant ag producer is a blue state.
You are an r-slur.
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BIPOC there is still meat, dairy, soybeans, vegetables and fruits (less of that)
In any case a split will lead to economic collapse for both states meaning it's best to simply cooperate but be separate. Not everything is gonna lead to some commie revolution
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There are more than enough cattle for every man in the south to use one as a mighty steed. With AR15s in place of compound bows, they'd descend on the blue states like the modern equivalent of the mongol hordes.
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IEP costs have sky rocketed in the last 20 years, because they put every shit bird kid on an IEP and keep the schools from being able to expel anyone.
90% of the kids with an IEP don't need one, they just need a kick in the butt. IEPs should be reserved for actual tards.
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until they deport them all and have to give up their tech
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