There is a strong possibility that the meeting between Putin and Trump will result in agreement. Putin is in the position to ask for it all. He might demand an election, the occupied territories, and Ukrainian neutrality. All these ideas have been teased.π§΅6/17
— Gabrielius Landsbergisπ±πΉ (@GLandsbergis) February 15, 2025
Get ready for the trenches you fricking peasant scum.
How we all pretty much feel
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Hey Hans you know vat ve should do ve should base our entire continents economy around American exceptionalism and take all the money a normal country would use to build defenses and give Muslim migrants free health care while constantly pooping on Americans talking about how stupid they are and how much better we are than Americans on American websites built for Americans.
And zen when they all vote a president in that cuts off our welfare let's pretend like ve are totally shocked and have no idea wwhy Americans don't like us anymore except on Reddit
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They didnt even need to increase military spending that much. They had to be just smarter. EU army and pooling momey toghetor to that.
Make it clear. This army is for non EU invaders. They could have made one heck of fighting force and build up good domestic deffence industry.
Or EU nuke and ICBM.
There was lot of options other then militarism or being US b-word boy. But elite is so weak and visionless. All they know is slurping daddy US c*m.
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Armies are a meme and obsolete, just build two ballistic missile subs, maybe three and youre done
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Actual French military doctrine since mid Cold War.
More precisely:
a) There's too many Russians, we cannot beat them (alone).
b) They have too many nukes, we cannot outnuke them
c) But we can ensure we can nuke Moscow and few other cities no matter what happens, making ourselves not worth the price.
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On some levels, it seems like France is leading Europe where it counts. France can make its own electricity without oil. France can nuke whoever they want since they make everything they need to nuke people all on their own. France has an actual aircraft carrier and a generally functioning military industrial complex. Im impressed with their forward thinking and self reliance, it's extremely uneuropean.
Can't shake the feeling that they will just give up again, which makes all their preparations hilarious.
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UK gave top possition willingly and stepped away from Europe. Germany cripeled themselves for reasons thats not entierly clear
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Probably. But they didnt need to frick their energy sector so badly
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their defence industry is also highly efficient because they used to avoid cross-border
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In US. They have senators making case how military stuff is only thing they are truly making. So they cant stop with big projects. Otherwise economy will shit the bed
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And more Typhoons
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Planes are cool as h*ck so yes we need more of those
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Impossible with countries with separate foreign polices. Like are the Germans willing to fund French Neo-colonialism?
The fact sovereignty of the EU-members makes it impossible to separate foreign policy from military spending.
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lol yep. Hard times ahead.
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I think it will vary between members.
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As usual
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Ye but any euro with any ambition at all comes to america. Theyre left with the dregs, imagine building a military out of that
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Lazy bum platoon is gonna be amazing like bad company
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Pretty much
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We already saw it with Ukraine. Idiots driving over land mines with 50 million dollar tanks instead of clearing. Literally talking shit about Russians doing it than ran across mines with our gibs. Media blocked out images of all of our blown up tanks.
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The problem is momentum, if they stop to clear mines what's stopping a Russian drone from calling in a MLRS strike that'll wipe out the whole unit? Platforms capable of clearing drones around you in a large swath is crucial going forward in any land offensive, perhaps more than traditional SAM batteries were against ground attack aircraft even(which were always fewer in number). Mine clearing equipment mounted on vehicles being comparatively few could be taken out mid offensive and leave unit no choice but to press forward without.
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Issue is ammount of equipment.
Mine clearing equipment is nice to have. But there are so few of them. Moment you move one of them. Enemy will know something wil go down and move their equipment.
You need enough equipment to spread enemeis out then hammer them in narrow point.
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It's called strategy. Every single army in history has to face adversity on the field. Shoot the fricking drones down, counter them. Do a hesitated pincer where one side moves slowly against the gains of the other. You don't throw your hands up and drive a fifty million dollar tank into a mine because thinking is hard.
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Tbh entire offensive was r-slurred. They didn't have even close to forces necessary and it was most probably a purely political decision opposed by actual military brass. Pretty much everyone who isn't a NAFO shill had called its failure before it even began, even US high command wasn't particularly optimistic IIRC.
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No one with any ambition joins the United States military.
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the military has always been
's without good job prospects and Boy Scouts who like camping
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huge collective organizations are not efficient and will never achieve anything besides hoping for at least mediocrity
smaller sovereign states w/ free trade agreements and pluralistic political systems > centrally planned mega bureaucracies converging on a safe immovable centre left
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They dont need efficency. Just throw half of european forces against russia and you have force thats good enough.
Its about how to use them. Rather then let them march around in central europe.
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yes I think NATO might have been a bad idea in retrospect. It means they all have to operate as a single unit which makes smaller interventions almost impossible and massively increases the stakes.
It basically forces there to be a Cold War instead of cooling off in smaller direct conflicts. So anything in between the 2-3 military powers is a dangerous proxy war.
let Poland and France send ppl if they want without making Russian cruise missiles hitting them an act of war against the entire west
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There were people making case after cold war to defunct NATO. Nato was there to counter soviet union and friends. After fall of soviet union. Whats the point.
Case was made for central/eastern european defence union safeguard against russia. Without west europe or US.
Basically those whos land war will be fought will join their hands.
It was shotdown and whole dance about how nato wont expand eastward deal was made.
Then Nato expanded eastward. What worse. Russia applied to join to nato. And if was shot down compleatly.
Now russia got confirmation. Nato was there to counter them. And it was creeping toward their borders.
This was great for US and their post cold war buisness. And probably would have been even better and longer if they were smarter.
We see outcome to europe now.
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Also there was the US supporting Yeltsin in the 1996 election to stop commies from returning to power, even though Yeltsin was already widely seen as corrupt at that point.
Then there was the Kosovo War in 1999, which, whether you think it was right or wrong for NATO to do, really angered many Russians because Russians see Serbs as their little brothers.
Then there was the Iraq War in 2003 of course, which was basically the US saying "frick all of you, we do whatever we want".
Just a whole sequence of events that basically ended any chance of Russians viewing the US as a friend.
https://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601960715,00.html
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Kosovo was mistake becouse it gave justification to ukrain.
If kosova had justification for military action. Same points stand for ukrain.
Iraq wasnt big one. Libya was. When US went crazy over libya. That was when putin made decisions to retun to presidency and policy to push back against US started.
Sad thing is. Just like everyone else after 9/11. Russia lined up and aske dto be friends with US. Iran did. Iraq did. Libya did. Syria did.
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europeans are unironically more racist than americans, its mostly just americans funding progresiveness abroad that cause this
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Maddddddd
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