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Mass Deportations Aren't Just Evil. They're Also Terrible Economics. : Economics
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technically production could stay the same and still support SS as long as population grows, no? It just needs more people making the same money, adjusted for inflation. Except when they dont have babies. So then you need growth to compensate or artificial population growth (of productive citizens).
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Yeah, that's pretty much it, aside from the part of about stagnant productivity. You need fresh waves of young people to keep paying taxes to sunsidize the elderly (and of course all the welfare leeches). That's just how liberal democracies have it setup.
The current experiment is Japan with little immigration. Great country, numerous law-abiding citizens, but the near-zero economic growth rate since the 90s will bite them in the butt hard. It just takes a long time for people to wake up since government can keep borrowing to get those gibs going. Eventually, they'll scale back benefits for the old and poor because you can only tax the working group so much and borrow so much. They'll be the first to feel it.l, but I expect that it'll keep going for decades. You'll have countries like Poland outstripping them in per capita wealth by that time (assuming Poland can somehow maintain its current economic growth rate).
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Yeah cause a multicultural hellscape is way worse than an island with only 100 million Japanese on it not 150 million
Listen too you're own logic you absolute r-slur
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There's not much of a future for 20-year-old Japanese.
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Because of government debt due too spending on social programs for old people making it too so the future generations didn't have children because of the government debt and subsequent taxes. Now you're answer is more immigrants too replace the Japanese people and their culture. In what way does that help a 20 year old Japanese kids future?
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Well, no one's looking at government debt and saying, "gee, honey, I think we should scale back our future kids from 5 to 1."
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@collectijism is the funniest rightoid here. 
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No one will save you from you're own r-sluration no matter how many pings you make people know not too step too the great @collectijism
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Love you too, jizzims!
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Love you more
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the welfare itself has disincentivized raising children. for generations now
kids is expensive. they say this in and of itself is the reason for westoid birth plummeting despite the fact that the wealthier the demographic the lower the birthrate
but it's still expensid
so why invest in your own grandkids, when someone elses' will work for your social skurity anyway?
it doesn't have to be a conscious thought, but enough people make this choice subconsciously, having fewer or no kids, effectively taking advantage, and after a few gennies we have what's literally happening right now.
every one of these stupid social democratique mommy milker welfare policies of the 20th centure has created its own slew of perverse incentives.
all we have to do is fix them but grifters focus on defending what these systems say they do to distract from what they actually do
same thing with BIPOC policy encouraging single motherhood etc, there's obvious secondary sht we just ignore because .
HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE THE "SAVING PUPPIES FUND" OF DOING ANYTHING BUT SAVING PUPPIES!! YOU WANT PUPPIES TO DIE!!1! and the fricking puppy fund gives money to shelters based on the number of puppies so they breed more puppies than they could ever hope to adopt or some shit
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Your pulitzer's in the mail
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higher retirement age, tax burdens, + cheaper housing is well worth not having your cities drown in infinite male jeets, africans & middle easterners. How is this even a question?
Like someone else wrote, the mere existence of distinguishable nations and borders is 'bad economics'. Maybe a single discipline shouldn't be the primary lens to look at our world? Maybe it's high time to stop listening to 4'9 Jewish technocrats.
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I'm not saying import everybody right now, r-slur.
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Have s*x!
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How much time have you spent arguing in this thread?
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Yeah any day now prosperous, clean and well-behaved Japan will be WISHING they were Sweden with every single person there watching the country they knew and grew up in fall apart into gang violence and mistrust. Those foolish asians will beg for the enrichment of diversity. Any day now.
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"Being poor is a good thing," said the furry.
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All I was asking was consider the path of zero growth and constant upward pressure on government expenditures with dwindling revenue. It won't be pretty, but people with your mindset don't care because they can't think about the long-term.
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you keep saying the long term is going to be worth it as every country that tries your long term view divebombs spectacularly into the ground on their way to becoming a third world country. it's ok though, they cope, because surely Japan will fall and fail any moment now. meanwhile japan is doing absolutely great and those predictions of terrible demographic collapse keep getting pushed to definitely going to happen next year for sure this time
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No they're not lol, have you seen their population pyramid?
They went below 1 million births for the first time in a century in 2016 and registered only 700k births in 2024. Their population has been declining slowly since 2010 but that is now accelerating as the baby boomer generation along the one born during WW2 begins to die off.
You can argue all you want about immigration and cultural change and all that jazz but let's not pretend this demographic catastrophe ain't happening just because is a decades long process.
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Like the US in the 1700s? Or during the 1800s?
I mean, you could kinda argue what you're saying with the mass importation of negroes, and it's not a bad point, but in general you need population growth and the economic growth that comes with it to support an r-slured welfare state and to do better in the long-run. Obviously, there are problems with allowing anybody in with no filter and with too many at once, especially when your government has r-slurred restrictions on building more housing, or when they have low standards on welfare.
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Online rightoids are r-slurred, they stick their heads on sand when you point out how awful declining fertility rates are and bring up the most mind boggling stupid anti immigration arguments.
Yes, ghettofication sucks, yes, filtering is right. But the belief they held that shutting off an entire country so it can become an empty mausoleum within 50 years is ackshually good and doing perfectly fine is ludicrous.
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I'm not just talking SS, I'm talking 401k, IRAs and pensions and such too. They all rely on the line going up. When the market crashes that's always one of the biggest topics "well there goes my retirement"
It's smart to have your money in there because historically the growth is great and putting the money in your mattress loses value but it's why the line going up matters.
Even if you diversify your investments (which you should), most of those investments like real estate still rely on the line going up because that's how the economy works.
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Yes, people rely on a healthy economy over the long-run. What are you trying to say?
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It's called Keynesianism it's the only form of economics taught by the government run schools for a reason it is Marxism masquerading as free markets. Even the tiniest amount of thought you realize it's for r-slurs
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