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Ukraine produces most of Europe's grain, which is partly why they'd been trying to buddy up with them.
Russia isn't going to leave Ukraine unless they promise not to join NATO, which is obviously stupid as it basically means Russia can invade again whenever they want. It's all geopolitics and there's no good solution.
Naturally nobody wants to put boots on the ground because it's another Vietnam - propping up a relatively unpopular government against the inevitable.
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i'm sorry, ur claiming most ukrainians want to join russia???
and there is a fine solution: telling russia to go stuff it and let ukraine join a defensive treaty against actual dictorial tyranny??? russia doesn't have the manpower to stand up to nato, it can barely invade a nationa 1/5th it's size, that is absurd.
letting politicians determine geolpolitics is so god darn r-slurred. maybe we deserve WW3
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Where the frick did you get that from?
You can't join a defensive alliance while actively being invaded, that's not how defensive agreements work. NATO doesn't actually want to fight WWIII with Russia even if they'd probably win.
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u claiming defending ukraine is like vietnam and propping up an unpopular govt ... like where tf did u get that from???
no u dummy, sign the ceasefire, then allow ukraine to join nato.
honestly man, maybe it comes down to that, and that's just a consequence of totally fricking up the management of the fall of the ussr. climate change over the next 100 years is gunna cause some really wacky shit to go down if we don't fix our broken nation state geopolitically system.
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I'm saying that putting boots on the ground will result in an unending war where the moment you withdraw the Ukraine government falls. Russia's entire doctrine requires that they would never concede such a war, and Ukraine no longer has the strength to stand alone. It should be obvious.
Watch as Russia reinvades the very moment such a treaty is rumoured.
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u think russia with a pop of 150mil can outlast nato with a pop of almost a billion when they haven't even managed to fully invade a country with 30 mil? it doesn't matter what their doctrine says when physical resources are limited.
why did we ever come to the bongs aid in WW1 or 2? this is pathetic.
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Russia doesn't need to worry about their population losing enthusiasm for the war. Burgers can't stand to take significant losses, even if they have greater numbers and tech. I wouldn't underestimate that difference in culture.
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us burgers have been in some war or another for like 225 out of our 243 years of our existence. who else has anywhere even near that kinda pedigree??
i wouldn't over estimate it either.
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Yeah? How did the last few turn out?
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and why not? lol. this is nation state politics, no ones enforcing rules and on when u can and can't join defensive treaties.
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i'm sorry, u capable of voicing ur disagreement? or just ...
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There's no winning that war. The entire Northern Hemisphere would be a pile of radiated rubble. This idea that these nuclear powers would go quietly into the night if they were on the losing side of WWIII is ridiculous.
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Ukraine sold their grain to Africa and shit until recently, not Europe. There is a reason why Polish farmers started seething hard when Ukraine was let in on the EU agricultural market as a form of gibs because of the war.
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That's not true, Ukraine's grain goes all over the world and has done for years, including to Europe. Several countries were dependent on it, most notably Spain and Bongland.
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Grain is incredibly fungible. Unlike something like Russian gas you can easily and cheaply ship it, and you can grow it practically anywhere.
No country is dependent on Ukrainian grain, but it drives down grain prices globally through supply.
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