Slavshitters, what path to VICTORY did you see for Ukraine? Were there any that didn't involve NATO boots on the ground and airmen in the sky? If so, how did you foresee this playing out? Where did the infinite Ukrainian soldiers come from?
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This was never winnable without real people dying and I thought most of you were with me in that it was just beneficial because it isn't costing us any human blood and it's eradicating Russians
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That is a vanishingly small sum, especially over three years. And if I recall correctly it wasn't extra money taxpayers paid to foot the Ukraine bill, it was just taken from the defense budget. Like 2% of it. To kill hundreds of thousands of the second closest thing we have to a military peer.
How, exactly, is this a bad thing
NOTE: Trump has increased military spending by $100bn
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I just can't really fathom billions of dollars ever being a small sum. Like I know that's how politics and stuff works but still my mind just looks at that and can't really process it. Big number hysteria. Still it could be argued we could've put that money to better use for ourselves. I don't really care though, just advocating for the devil.
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We we're going to spend the resources anyway. You can argue all you want that it could have gone to something else, but it wasn't going to.
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If it was from the defense budget couldn't it have gone to more defense for us? I'm not pretending like that money was ever gonna come back to the people or be used on anything other than defense, but couldn't it still have gone to the defense of us rather than the defense of another nation?
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We spend a lot more money to frick with Russia than we give to Ukraine with a much less return on investment.
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Then we shouldn't be spending that money either.
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Why? Russia wants a piece of our pie. That's my pie.
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Well if it's to protect us then that's different. I don't know much about the Russia situation.
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They are trying to rebuild influence in former USSR nations. They do not like to cooperate with us. Why let them expand?
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It went to more defense for us, r-slur. We paid ourselves to replace old shit with new shit.
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One would argue that this is defense of us - it's money spent to aid another military to blunt a near peer opponent, to test the effectiveness and tactics of their military (and to test the effectiveness of our weapons on them), and to provide data for the next generation of weapons. And as a bonus, it's largely been a convenient way to offload older weapon systems we'd either need to mothball and store, or scrap.
Also the reporting of the numbers is not exactly straight forward: When 100 million dollars worth of Bradleys get sent there, that isn't to say that the defense department had 100 million dollars worth of Brads built to send there, it means that a bunch of used Brads which collectively cost 100 million factory fresh were sent. These were vehicles that have seen service for decades and are now depreciated by newer systems, and accordingly, were warehoused as spare parts, until there would be a budget to scrap them at considerable cost. So while the number is accurate, the reality is that the money was spent a generation ago, and the asset is now depreciated to a liability since we've spent more money since then on new assets that replace these old ones.
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And that's kind of the problem. The U.S. is worse than a bored housewife when it comes to needlessly spending money they don't have.
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Keeping rivals at bay is not a waste of money.
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!nonchuds literally the average rightoid thought pattern
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Libtards be spending like it's the first of the month.
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~20% of food stamps ($112 billion per year) goes towards soda, candy, and dessert, so the US has spent less on Ukraine than on fattening up poor people
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But SNAP and defense spending come from entirely different buckets.
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It's just a funny comparison to make, especially since most anti-Ukraine rightoids try and make it seem like the money otherwise would have gone to more apparently desirable programs and made a huge impact. During Hurricane Helene you had people bringing up Ukraine as if FEMA had abandoned America to go help kill Russians
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Hi yes, I'm a peace loving pacifist. I need more dead ziggers. I don't care about men needlessly dying in a proxy war. I need more dead ziggers!
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I'm not a pacifist and I like it when enemies of America die
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It's funny how asking people to be morally consistent is impossible. Ironically enough, you've been consistent and yet everyone thinks you're hypocritical.
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Love America
Hate enemies of America
Simple as
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GOD
BLESS
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You don't see enemies of America as other children of God?
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imagine being a rightoid and this not being your core belief
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I like it when Americans thrive more than when our enemies die but fortunately the two usually go hand in hand
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Genuinely insane how anyone in the US sees russian's dying by the truck load as anything but a fantastic use of tax money
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They are not real rightoids, just brown people and israeli agents.
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Ok but peopwal nyeed snyacks
Trans lives matter
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67.2 billion is less than 119 billion
Still
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I only counted the number since 2022
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That's what I did
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I'm using the numbers from upthread
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Oh
I automatically compared it to the total aid, rather than the military aid
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Tbf we've killed off state of the art military programs over cost that were much less than what we've given even if they hit significant overruns. I want more raptors and crazy mega bombers and subs and shit.
I've been pro ukraine from the jump and its given us a ton of great intel/exposed russia but its become a slog and it doesn't feel like there's anything left to gain here. And not for nothing but its not free to ship billions in military equipment overseas and we have been shredding our munitions reserve which isn't ideal on the off chance china decides to be spicy
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Elon seems to have the Columbia on his shit list or is having trouble remembering what he wants to lie about.
On Rogan he was mentioning the navy getting $12b for submarines and not knowing where it went. I'm guessing he actually meant $12m because he mentioned Collins, that was a single contract to upgrade Portsmouth to handle Columbia class subs that was part of the 2022 budget that Collins was making a big deal about because that's lots of money for Maine.
The budget for the Navy in 2022 did increase by $12b too, that was to order two additional Virginia class subs and increase the construction speed of the class. The first of those ordered in 2022 is the next in line to start construction.
Naturally chuds eat bullshit up. https://rumble.com/v6px9ck-elon-musk-exposes-12b-navy-submarine-scandal-no-subs-built.html?e9s=rel_v2_ep
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I remember a President saying that we had to leave Humvees and tanks for the Taliban because it's cheaper to replace them than ship them home.
Not to mention all of the non-military aid we sent them. We've been funding their government. The government doesn't pay workers or feed people with old bombs.
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It isn't a bad thing. We lose basically nothing by comparison and russia is permanently crippled because all their gear is destroyed. Every political big shot knows this which is why giving them money isn't a big deal. Apparently ukraine is also paying us with mineral profits so we might actually get some of it back too.
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Aren't you supposed to be catholic? Killing
people is bad.
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