https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/09/trump-pick-for-pentagon-says-selling-submarines-to-australia-would-be-crazy-if-taiwan-tensions-flare
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For reference the US has more Virginia class subs in service already than literally all SSBNs of literally all other navies combined, and By the time of the scheduled first delivery we will have 34 either in service or undergoing trials
This also doesnt consider that China cant figure out acoustics so USN know where their subs are anyway, and This isnt the US/USSR near equivalency of the 80s, US would absolutely r*pe China even if they had a numerical advantage and thats the tea, sis
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The key benefit to supplying/leasing SSNs to Australia is making the Chinese cope with a credible long-range threat from another allied country
Even if Australia didnt enter a US-China conflict (they probably would), the fact the fleet exists would be enough to divert significant resources away from US forces to counter the Australian threat like just in case but go off i guess
ok so This fleet-in-being strategy was used in both World Wars to lock up much of the Royal Navy that could have otherwise been fighting the enemy
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the issue with giving Australia subs is they will inevitably try and reverse engineer our shit and will gain top secret info
also like there is a reason why the us military usually like only gives away old shit to the dweebs of the world
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i dont get it??? Australians speak English, ipso facto they are Americans, so whats the problem???
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i don't know what english has to do with anything. this is america we speak american.
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This protectionist shit is so r-slurred
They are going to buy a sub from someone, and China has already hacked literally every bit of data in the US gov its not a giant secret, and Information has never been a replacement for industrial know how and decades of investment/experience, and You dont see literally every NATO country building their own F35s but its whatever
omg! Australia has an excellent Navy and they are investing heavily totally into it unlike a lot of countries, and They should pay for stuff like this
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you are r-slurred, and not even gonna bother explaining
anybidy who doesnt support protectionism a globalist BIPOC who i will shoot in the head in real life
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Woogie booogie, division of labor and competitive advantage are actual things
Things will probably tend to greater consolidation on the long term, a global authority, or at the least, strong global cooperation is a better way to coordinate resources and take actions to mitigate risks at the global/existential threat scale like giant asteroid closing at 80 km/s to r*pe literally everyone, and Doesnt mean local or national control over local or national shit has to change but go off i guess
or maybe well like just drop the ball and literally all die but whatever
Im also cautious about giving military tech or trade secrets to others but probably not for the same reasons and in literally any case
is pretty low on the list for concern
!nonchuds
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The whole point of AUKUS was that its a technology sharing deal. Australia is a critical member of FIVEYES and generally trustworthy when it comes to this kind of thing. Its not selling submarines to India its a technology sharing deal with a loyal ally in a way that benefits the US and the UK.
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fiveeyes is satanic
fiveeyes - 5 eyes
(5 = man) + eyes (egyptian shit)
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Lmfao
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I just think it's funny that Which they will sell to us because we own Australia
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um Reading the Guardian article it says US is behind the target of building new subs for its own navy, so he would rather retain command of subs and force Australian harbors to service them than selling them to Aussies, and The money saved can be used to buy drones and missiles
literally, Biden also wrote an escape clause for the deal for this exact situation
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We are behind the 66 sub target which is utter insanity.
People really don't appreciate how bad China are with acoustics. You have to go back 4 classes (all the way to the Sturgeon subs) to find a US sub with similar noise. In a hot war sub on sub wouldn't even be sporting.
China have had US and Russian accoustic tech sold to them before, they can't build it. They can't produce ultra-high quality alloys in meaningful amounts, it's why they can't do bearings or machine cowtools either. Knowing the formula for something or even having detailed plans doesn't mean you can build it.
Russia also have lost capability here. The decade+ of no sub building really fricked them. Imagine being so bad at it that the jeets reject your workmanship.
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!eurochads another case of "well acktchually this r-slurred move is a gorillionD chess move that benefits us" from burgertards
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No, I think it's utterly r-slurred to not sell subs to Aus. We already have a pretty absurd number and siphoning off 3 of the ones we will build over the next 20 years wouldn't have a meaningful impact on our readiness.
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Bro you couldnt even keep Afghanistan, have some humility Amerimutt *sips tea*
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im literally screaming, Oh noes
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kek
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i thought we just wanted to slaughter a bunch of them for 9/11 tbh
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True
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