https://x.com/michaeljknowles/status/1899111503992676633
Wow, he got completely wrecked. How does a guy show up to debate 20 people without understanding even the basis premises of his own purported beliefs? https://t.co/EvtwySlhFt
— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) March 10, 2025
Embarassing, he doesnt even know what utilitarianism is 
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First he claimed it was about harm reduction.
Then he shifted towards "we as a society has decided certain things via democracy".
Then he said he would not be fine with society deciding democratically to take away rights from trans people.
He made the argument "they were born that way" in an attempt to defend acceptance of homosexuality and then the other guy pointed out that libertarians are likely born that way too, doesn't mean we should accept it.
Peadophilia is something that ideally should be bred out of the population but if we cannot do that (or if the price would be too high) we should still look at finding a cure for it and if that also isn't possible we end up having to resort to even worse options such as giving peadophiles s*x-dolls and animated pornography made to their liking.
https://vintologi.com/threads/about-peadophilia.2673
Then he shifted towards "it's different if there is 2 consenting adults" and then the other guy pointed out that it could be used to justify incest. The "consenting adults" thing is also bad for 2 other reasons, it applies that "consent" should be needed and it also implies that you would need to be adult first which means waiting years with a very strong s*x drive before you can act on your natural biology.
Then there is the issue with leftwing ideology being self defeating and suicidal since it promotes low birth rates among other problems. People like sam seder cannot really defend all those issues so his only option is to constantly be on the offensive to 'win", the same is the case for people like vaush and destiny, they have to 'win' by attacking the person they are debating against since their own ideology being full of flaws and contradictions.
Of course there are plenty of issues with religious fundamentalism too. Religious fundamentalism is not how we build a strong modern society spanning the entire planet, it's backwards and far from ideal in terms of breeding, efficient warfare, expansion of borders, integration of new people into society, etc.
https://vintologi.com/threads/societal-survival-of-the-fittest.979/
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Religious fundamentalism isn't even good for high birth rates. Iran, Indonesia, Turkey and Mexico are all highly religious societies with below-replacement fertility rates, among many others. Consult the list and see how many below-replacement countries are highly religious third-world shitholes.
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I mean you could point to european societies declining but thats directly correlated to leftist beliefs
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At least the ex-christian societies (and a few asian ones) managed to get rich during the transition from bottom-heavy to top-heayv age pyramid. Many currently religious societies are below-replacement and still poor, so in their current trajectory they will end up with an aging population while stuck with 10k gdp per capita. Everyone and their dog pretends as if the values they prefer would save the west but declining birth rates are a global phenomenon afflicting wildly different societies and nobody really knows how to stop it.
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what about Christianity specifically, not just religion? People argue that a strong Christian base was crucial for the European enlightenment, basically due to its eusocial elements. Some European Christian countries are struggling, but you see Mormons and Amish as some of the only white populations that are still exploding.
For Europeans/Anglos in particular, Christianity seems to have had a very positive impact, and its absence can be felt.
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actually the enlightenment was bad T. Carlyle and Nietzsche
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I mean though the decline and fall of corrupt civilizations have been showcased in the Bible plenty of times so having a collapse is actually more accurate anyway
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Mormons
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Persecuting gay/trans people doesn't really improve the fertility rate.
Nicolae Ceauศescu had some success with decree 770 but there were plenty of issues there. Merely trying to restrict access to abortion and contraceptives didn't go far enough it seems.
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You and everyone you love are not safe.
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It's funny because there's an easy point to be made, that religions and societies tend to have similar laws around things like murder and property theft. This leads to asking if religion gives us these moral boundaries, or do we project our own morality on religion? Humans are the most social animal to ever exist, so the idea we all think fairly similarly around these types of things, and our religions reflect that, really turns it more into a "chicken or the egg" type of question. The difference is religion explains this morality as truth, while human socialization moreso seems to be a reflection of our own perceptions.
Idk who this guy is, but he's a pretty shitty "humanist" if he couldn't even think of that.
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It does illustrate how you can get big on youtube while being a total charlatan/fraud as if we didn't already know that.
Makes me wonder if he even believes in what he is promoting or if he is just promoting what makes him popular on youtube.
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