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"All you 2A lovers, this is what you've always talked about!! Get on out there and dance... Dance I said" Users on r/PrepperIntel argue if it should legal to kidnap and deport legal immigrants if they are "terrorist sympathizers"

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>We detain people for that..?

Antisemitism and terrorism sounds pretty good reasons to lock someone up

Oh its terrorism now!?

""hatred of the USA, Israel, and Jews on North American campuses and beyond." " Pretty much Hamas views so yes

Surely they will arrest the KKK any second now.

No links, no information, nothing. Are we supposed to "just trust me bro"?

>I cant imagine the pain it must cause to take 2 seconds to google something 😩

Have a heart. It's tough for them to live without a brain

No. It's on the poster to provide sources. Otherwise, we're just supposed to take their word. But either way people shouldn't just be disappeared for no reason.

Exactly this. Burden of proof is on the one sharing the information, not the ones receiving.

nope. the judge, the detained, and various other info was in the video

Well, was she in the county illegally?

>It's in the post's description, but in case you didn't see it: Her name is Rumeysa Ozturk, she's a student from Turkey, attending Tufts as a grad student on a legal visa (sponsored by the university). Her attorney said, "We are unaware of her whereabouts and have not been able to contact her. No charges have been filed against [her] that we are aware of."

Do we know what she was studying? Perhaps there is a connection with her PhD studies?

What could you possibly mean by this?

It's a valid question. There are many more to be asked.

What's valid about it? Is there a single class at any US university that's worth deporting legal residents for taking?

First they came for the Palestine activists…

>"First they came for the Palestine activists…" Those geniuses voting for Trump are part of the reason we ended up with this entirely predictable outcome.

If the Palestine activists were such an important voting bloc, why did the Democrats refuse to court their vote? I'm not American, I've got no skin in the game, but I'd love to know why the Democrats simultaneously needed the votes of the Palestinian activists, and still refused to listen to their demands.

"and still refused to listen to their demands." Believe it or not, caving to the demands of a propaganda-incited mob is not a great way to decide on foreign policy, even if it will alienate you with that group of voters. Those activists were played like a fiddle.

Okay, if the Democrats didn't want their vote, didn't court their vote, and refused to meet with the activists, I struggle to see how they're in any way responsible for the election lol. No one is owed a vote, especially not someone who doesn't align with your views. I know that I certainly wouldn't vote for a party that doesn't match my vision for the world.

International students can't vote, so they're being held accountable for something they didn't sign up for tbh…

Do you believe all Palestine activists are international students?

No, I'm talking about this specific post where she is indeed an international student. Those who are not international and can vote are not being deported.

You have Google right? Took me about 4 seconds, maybe 5. https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892 "DHS and (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege, not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is commonsense security," the spokesperson told the AP.

>A no named brown shirt said she's totally supporting Hamas, and to trust them, bro. Very neat. I'm sure she will absolutely get her due process / day in court (as is her constitutional right) where full transparency will be had for all.

Again, you have Google right? Pretty easy to find evidence of her support of terrorist groups while here on a student Visa. You need some help? I used to do tech support a lifetime ago. I can show you how to do a Google search so you don't accidentally look stupid supporting noncitizen terrorists who are guests of our country and absolutely DO NOT have the right to further terrorism from our soil. Heck, I don't think they will even be happy about it in Turkey when she's back there soon. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Would you go to Germany as a student and support a Neo Nazi movement?

Let's see his response, lmao. Dude is a case of walking cognitive dissonance.

You kind of have to be to see a group of people start yet another war, this time by murdering and raping 1200 innocent people in a sneak attack war crime, and decide that they, the ones who started the war, are the GOOD guys.

The media has brainwashed so many dummies. If they would actually take the time to study Islam, they'd see that it's built into the ideology to kill and hate (especially the Jews.) We're in the age of information - but we're dumber than ever.

Wow, look at all these propaganda bots.

>I'm not a bot (OP)

"DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans," the spokesperson said. "A visa is a privilege not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is commonsense security."

Nice quote. So?

So… if they have evidence of her glorifying terrorists, get her out.

How do you know they have evidence?

Because they put out this statement. I don't know for sure, but I trust that they aren't going after people for absolutely no reason. That probably sounds extreme but they also don't want to deal with insane PR backlash above what they already have to deal with.

All you 2A lovers, this is what you've always talked about!! Get on out there and dance... Dance I said

>My 2A right isnt to protect terrorism..

Everybody you don't like isn't a terrorist.

Everybody you don't like is a Nazi.

Except literal Nazis can have rallies in the US safely and cops will literally protect them but yeah a college student probably said something like "Israel kinda deserves it" so they get kidnapped in broad daylight and deported in the land of "muh freeze peach"

"Literal Nazis" doesn't mean anything when you call everybody you don't like a Nazi.

Fascism

>Yeah wtf. It's like you can't even go to foreign countries on a student visa and support terrorist groups without your guest country getting mad anymore.

I thought I remembered some thing Americans said about freedom of speech but I must have misheard

Wait, so you thought that guests of our country on a visa had a right to support terrorist groups from within our borders? Walk me through that, I'd love to see how your brain got from point A to point B on that. To me, it sounds a bit like saying "Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, so I should be able to burn down any building I want!" i.e. a ridiculous non sequitur.

Oh right, so I'm assuming that 'supports terrorist groups' in this context means 'is against war crimes being committed against the Palestinian people under the justification of fighting terrorism'. If this person said anything to actually support actual terrorism then that's very different, can you show me that? Huh, typing that out is making me think of another country well known for using terrorism to justify human rights abuses and war crimes. Now which country was that...?

Does any moron feel safer with this woman in custody? Ridiculous.

>She's a terrorist sympathizer.

Because she doesn't like the US or Israel? Because that would make most of the world terrorist sympathisers.

If she doesn't like the US, then they're doing her a favor by giving her a free flight out. Everybody wins.

Imagine being such a slave to the status quo.

Frick Hamas and its conspirators

>If you're Jewish, this act should fricking terrify you. Because there's a WHOLE lot of these conservatives and "Christians" who want you gone.

Not Jewish.. but Jews are the bullied kids that finally fought back.. read some history ..

As a Jew, you're incorrect. Israel is the product of western colonialism and has been engaging in ethnic cleansing since its creation. It does not speak for all of us, nor does it represent all of us

Holocaust doesnt give you the right to displace, subjugate and genocide an entire group of people.

No genocide. It's a war that was caused by hamas and its supporters.

Oh the laaaaand of the freeeeee and the hooooome of the braaaaaave. Hahaha you guys fricking cooked it.

>It's getting to where you can't support terrorism in any foreign countries anymore. SMH, what is this Nazi Germany?

Maybe they'll get a pardon, if they do the RIGHT terrorism.

God, you guys excusing absolutely anything with January 6 (which I can assure you no one thinks was okay and was disgusting, full stop) gets funnier and funnier the further away it gets. 4 years now. How long/how far do you think you can go/keep it up? I'm betting for 10 years and you justifying a full blown holocaust.

Funny you bring up the Holocaust when Gaza is about be ethnically cleansed by Israel and the US, but sure, we're the genocide defenders here

She's a Hamas supporter. She can go be with them. We dont want her in america.

>Lol. She's entitled to freedom of speech. Without government reprisal.

"Free speech" And the speech is antisemitism and support for a terrorist group lol you Americans are insane

That is her fricking right. She wasn't even openly supporting the group. Calling for separating businesses from Israel isn't supporting a terrorist organization. Also lol. We've been over this for months. Just because you don't support Israel's actions doesn't make you anti-Semitic. Pro-Israeli weirdos are weird. "You have to toe everything Israel says, or else you're anti-Semitic. If you show sympathy for a people being bombed you have pro-Hamas views." Netanyahu's regime is a cluster frick. It's okay to say that. Nobody should be disappeared for it.

Ruh Roh: A senior DHS spokesperson confirmed Ozturk's detention and the termination of her visa. "DHS and (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege, not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is commonsense security," the spokesperson told the AP." Good riddance to the terrorist.

the broad way that Trump's administration paints "support of Hamas" should be alarming to you Simply protesting against Israel's ongoing genocide is enough to label you as a terrorist sympathizer.

Do not obey ICE. Run for your life even if that's into a local police station. Fight them with anything you can use as a weapon.

>Yeah, advise people to fight back with anything they can use as a weapon so they catch a bullet to the face. Awesome advice.

Ok, so then get kidnapped. To each his own.

Uh, ya, I would as would most people who have a functioning frontal cortex, because it's better than being dead.

Idk what you think we're waiting for or where we're at, or where you think they're taking this person, but a person in this position is already in a fight for their life. All you're saying is that your b-word butt will be getting a free ride to the concentration camp. Enjoy brother

>What is wrong with you? Haha want to catch additional charges? That's how you catch additional charges. Do you not understand basic life?

What charges? They didn't charge her with shit and her lawyer doesn't know where she is.

Sounds like an ineffective lawyer haha all it takes is a g28 on file to be able to request access.

And if no authority responds to the request?

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I'd scream r*pe and start swinging

>Scream r*pe no one will save you. Scream fire people will actually stop to see

This is definitely not true anymore lol, as fricked as the world is I sincerely hope people would try to aid someone screaming r*pe. Fun history fact: what you are referencing is indeed something that used to be fairly sound advice! Someone screaming "Help!" Probably wouldn't garner much attention, but due to the primary building materials being flammable (wood, straw, etc.) if you were to scream "Fire!" it would grab much more attention as it was a higher risk of burning adjacent buildings and property if left unattended.

There's been plenty sexual assaults in public places where the woman was screaming r*pe and people were watching

Where I'm from if people were nearby 100% the dude would get beaten the shit out of him until police arrives to save him from being lynched


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>Guys Im starting to think antisemites have infiltrated the "Death to all Jews" movement

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Hamas

>death to americans death to western civilization kill all jews death to israel

Green card holders

>literally me :marseyheart:

Why are they like this

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Literally :marseywrongthon#k:


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If Hitler had just gone before the European populace and said

"NEIN, WHEN I SAID 'KILL ALL ZE JEWS', I MEANT I WANTED ZEM KILLED SO VE COULD FREE PALESTINE!"

I think he would've garnered a lot more support and saved us all a lot of grief.

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But then some time traveler would have just pointed out the only reason Palestine isn't free is because of hitler


Putting the :e: in spookie turkey merry new year donkey

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your getting way too close to the sun here.

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Freedom of speech is for net tax contributors

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All redditors should be executed

https://media.tenor.com/KOBtQnT0H0cAAAAx/get-rekt-boi-elmo.webp

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You don't execute animals. You do population control and issue hunting permits. :#marseygossipsniper:

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:marseyinshallah#:

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/u/deusasclepian

You peoples r-sluration is infuriating. The dumb b-word got arrested for supporting Hamas on a student visa. You cant protest or get in trouble on a student visa. You are a guest and dont have the same rights as an American. Thats why Westboro baptist church or the KKK can say any dumb shit they want but people on student visas cant. Its that simple. By the way this shit also happened under Biden. Keep yourself safe cute twink.

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Kleindienst v. Mandel (1972) – The Supreme Court upheld the government's right to deny a visa to a Marxist speaker, but acknowledged that Americans themselves have a right to political expression and advocacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleindienst_v._Mandel

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:#chadvotedfor: I hate this "why aren't the second amendment guys shooting ICE/Trump/etc in the streets" it's fed posting for kitties that are too afraid to own guns themselves

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!nooticers Notice how they've hated right wing preppers for years (easily dating back to the 90s for the ones old enough) and now suddenly think those same rightwingers are going to fight a war against the fed on their behalf

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That's the gist of the comment I left earlier here

Not your personal army you homos.

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Masked thugs grabbing students off the street is bad, actually. :marseyfreedomofspeech:

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>if you start wearing masks because all we do is fantasise about killing you we'll just use that as another justification for killing you

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>I'm stockpiling guns to fight back against government tyranny

>wait, not like that!

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I have four letters to say to these morons: NYPA

Maybe if these cute twinks weren't trying to remove my right to protect myself every waking second, I'd have more sympathy to fight alongside them, but despite current events, they still fail to see why it's bad to give the government a monopoly on violence.

Also they're tackling this the wrong way. The actual argument is "why isn't free speech granted to non citizens who are here on Visas" and that's the argument that needs to be made if they want me to take them seriously. Instead they're just sucking off terrorist sympathizers because they're brown, they don't actually care about preserving the sanctity of the first amendment and still want it restricted at the end of the day.

Do I think free speech as a concept should be protected no matter how r-slurred, hateful, etc. it is, no matter who says it? Absolutely. Do I also find it funny how the people who consistently mock "freeze peach" and want to ban "hate speech" are now seeing the product of those actions in real time? Absolutely, it's hilarious :marseysowsmug: :marseyreap:

Also any other country you're a guest in would kick you out for acting a fool like these idiots. They hate America, yet they want to imbibe all the freedoms we have to offer, where if they had their way, we'd not be able to mainline the same freedoms.

Go after how the laws are written instead of just caring because your pet minority is affected in current year because we all know you don't actually care about these freedoms. You'll happily remove them when you're not the target.

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:marseyagreesuperspeed:

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I don't entirely disagree with this: most (not all) of the people objecting are not principled defenders of free speech.

That said, there's zero call for the gestapo to be snatching people off the street like this. Maybe this girl is an butthole Hamas sympathizer who has outstayed her welcome - - so go through the process, revoke her visa, send her a letter telling her she needs to leave.

It's not exciting, but fair administration and due process are what makes the first world different from a banana republic kleptocracy. It shouldn't surprise me, but all these rightoid accounts that bemoan the fall of western civilization are cheering the destruction of the bits that actually matter: due process, rule of law, professional civil service.

But it's okay, we'll get white girls in Disney slop again.

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Other than the masks what about this is the gestapo vs a normal bullshit arrest like we've been seeing since the beginning of time? (The masks are a very bad look and an r-slured decision)

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IANAL but in my mind what makes it gestapo behavior -- even separate from/in addition to the free expression angle -- is that visa revocation is an administrative issue, not something that should ever result in an arrest absent some other consideration where the person is a criminal or unlikely to self-deport following an order.

Why would you waste huge amounts of time and money arresting someone who is fundamentally a heckin' goodthinker lefty rule-follower? I know they're like "oh she's a spoopy terrorst" but that's clearly bullshit.

Send her a letter, she'll b-word and moan, start a gofundme, lose her hearing, and then get on a plane.

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Yeah understandable on all accounts

I really think the administrations plan of action is (and I think they said this at one point) to make them "self deport" or just stop them from wanting to come at all. Since the leg work is the hardest part of immigration enforcement

And this style of enforcement means even if the democrats get back in power people will be hesitant because it can simply shift back in a couple years

It'll probably work too for the most part. But it's not a great look. It's also exactly what his base wanted so who cares what anyone else thinks I guess

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>What this country really needed was more leftist foreigners.

>:#marseydejected:

!anticommunists, we've got another commie on our hands. It's @L! Of all people! I really didn't see this coming. :marseyshook:

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Why would you waste huge amounts of time and money arresting someone who is fundamentally a heckin' goodthinker lefty rule-follower?

If you're cynical, to scare a lot of them into leaving of their own accord, if not, to make the letters sound more serious.

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https://i.imgur.com/7RQ8hI6.jpeg

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Also they're tackling this the wrong way. The actual argument is "why isn't free speech granted to non citizens who are here on Visas" and that's the argument that needs to be made if they want me to take them seriously. Instead they're just sucking off terrorist sympathizers because they're brown, they don't actually care about preserving the sanctity of the first amendment and still want it restricted at the end of the day.

Nah, foreigners should be required to walk on thin ice until their probation is over.

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[–]seensham 10 points 1 day ago

Ahmad said Ozturk's personal information had recently been shared by Canary Mission, a pro-Israel organization that posts personal information about activists and students who protest in favor of Palestinian freedom.

Man what the frick.

>advocates for the death of all Jews and Americans

:soysnoo: What's antisemetic about this? Why is this wrong??

>gets doxed for it

:soysnooseethe: OH WHAT THE FRICK!?!

/u/seensham, they repost the r-slurred shit they say on the internet alongside their real name. She's not even a citizen, and she has such views. What do you think she's doing here? Why should she be allowed? But most importantly, did you even graduate high school? I'd be shocked (you know, because you're sooo r-slurred. :marseysmirk2: )

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>call for the university to divest from companies with ties to Israel because of the conflict in Gaza

One thing you are not allowed to say, and she said it.

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Snapshots:

https://old.reddit.com/r/PrepperIntel/comments/1jkkf8w/phd_student_detained_by_ice_wearing_plain_clothes:

https://old.reddit.com/r/PrepperIntel/comments/1jkkf8w/phd_student_detained_by_ice_wearing_plain_clothes/mjw866l/?context=8:

No links, no information, nothing. Are we supposed to "just trust me bro"?:

Well, was she in the county illegally?:

First they came for the Palestine activists…:

You have Google right? Took me about 4 seconds, maybe 5. https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892 "DHS and (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege, not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is commonsense security," the spokesperson told the AP.:

Wow, look at all these propaganda bots.:

All you 2A lovers, this is what you've always talked about!! Get on out there and dance... Dance I said:

Fascism:

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>Get out there and shoot people

-guy who most gun owners would like to shoot, 2025

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2 guyg with a badge are literally on the other side of the street and one comes over at the same time the first guy grabs her

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