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Members of President Donald Trump's National Security Council, including White House national security adviser Michael Waltz, have conducted government business over personal Gmail accounts, according to documents reviewed by The Washington Post and interviews with three U.S. officials.

The use of Gmail, a far less secure method of communication than the encrypted messaging app Signal, is the latest example of questionable data security practices by top national security officials already under fire for the mistaken inclusion of a journ*list in a group chat about high-level planning for military operations in Yemen.

A senior Waltz aide used the commercial email service for highly technical conversations with colleagues at other government agencies involving sensitive military positions and powerful weapons systems relating to an ongoing conflict, according to emails reviewed by The Post. While the NSC official used his Gmail account, his interagency colleagues used government-issued accounts, headers from the email correspondence show.

Waltz has had less sensitive, but potentially exploitable information sent to his Gmail, such as his schedule and other work documents, said officials, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe what they viewed as problematic handling of information. The officials said Waltz would sometimes copy and paste from his schedule into Signal to coordinate meetings and discussions.

The use of personal email, even for unclassified materials, is risky given the premium value foreign intelligence services place on the communications and schedules of senior government officials, such as the national security adviser, experts say.

NSC spokesman Brian Hughes said he has seen no evidence of Waltz using his personal email as described and said on occasions when "legacy contacts" have emailed him work-related materials, he makes sure to "cc" his government email to ensure compliance with federal records laws that require officials to archive official correspondence.

"Waltz didn't and wouldn't send classified information on an open account," said Hughes.

When asked about a Waltz staffer discussing sensitive military matters over Gmail, Hughes said NSC staff have guidance about using "only secure platforms for classified information."

Waltz has also created and hosted other Signal chats with Cabinet members on sensitive topics, including on Somalia and Russia's war in Ukraine, said a senior administration official. The existence of those groups was first reported by the Wall Street Journal on Sunday.

Hughes said that Signal "is approved and in some cases is added automatically to government devices." He acknowledged that it is not supposed to be used for classified material and insisted Waltz never used it as such.

Waltz's creation of a Signal group chat that discussed sensitive information and included Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of the Atlantic and a prominent critic of President Donald Trump, has rankled the president and frustrated other Cabinet members whose communications were exposed on the chat.

Publicly, Trump has strongly backed Waltz, but on Wednesday he met with Vice President JD Vance, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and others to discuss whether to keep him on. A day later, he informed aides he was not firing Waltz, but it was largely out of a desire to avoid giving the "liberal media a scalp," said a senior administration official.

"This incident badly damaged Waltz," said the official, who noted that the national security adviser was told after the meeting that he needed to be more deferential to Wiles. The Wednesday meeting was first reported by the New York Times.

Data security experts have expressed alarm that U.S. national security professionals are not more readily using the government's suite of secure encrypted systems for work communications such as JWICS, the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System.

Most concerning, however, is the use of personal email, which is widely acknowledged to be susceptible to hacking, spearfishing and other types of digital compromise.

"Unless you are using GPG, email is not end-to-end encrypted, and the contents of a message can be intercepted and read at many points, including on Google's email servers," said Eva Galperin, director of cybersecurity at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

National security experts have expressed alarm over the administration's denial that the leaked Signal chat contained classified information.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's comments in the Signal chat detailed the sequencing, timing and weapons systems in advance of the Trump administration's March attack on Houthi militants in Yemen, potentially jeopardizing U.S. airmen headed into harm's way.

In the chat, Waltz offered a brief but highly specific after-action report of the strikes, revealing that the military had "positive ID" of a senior Houthi leader "walking into his girlfriend's building" — pointing to what intelligence sources would later confirm was Israeli surveillance capabilities shared with the United States. Israeli officials expressed frustration that their capabilities were made public.

U.S. officials say Trump is much more upset about the inclusion of a liberal journ*list on a confidential group chat than he is about exposing secrets to foreign adversaries. But White House officials have found Waltz's denials increasingly hard to believe.

Waltz, who added Goldberg to the chat, told Fox News: "I take full responsibility. I built the group." But he has subsequently said Goldberg's contact information was "sucked into" his phone somehow and that he's never met or talked to the journ*list despite a newly circulated photo of the two men near each other at an event at the French ambassador's residence in Washington.

"He's telling everyone that he's never met me or spoken to me. That's simply not true," Goldberg told "Meet the Press" on Sunday.

"This isn't 'The Matrix.' Phone numbers don't just get sucked into other phones," he added.

Waltz, the first Green Beret elected to Congress and an adviser to former vice president Peepee Cheney, has long pontificated about the importance of classified information and harshly criticized the Justice Department for not pursuing charges against Hillary Clinton for using a private email server as secretary of state.

"What did DOJ do about it? Not a darn thing," Waltz wrote on social media in June 2023. The FBI investigated Clinton's use of the private server and concluded no criminal charges were warranted. FBI Director Kash Patel and Attorney General Pam Bondi have given no indication that Trump officials' use of Signal for sensitive information will be investigated, with Bondi saying the material shared was not classified.

While most Trump administration officials have downplayed the Signal breach publicly, some have acknowledged it was a significant mishap.

"Obviously, someone made a mistake. Someone made a big mistake," Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters during a trip last week to Jamaica.

Rubio and his staff, who have years of experience with classified intelligence from his former role as vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, are known for taking operational security seriously, said a senior U.S. official.

Rubio noted that his contributions in the Signal chat were minimal.

"Just speaking for my role, I contributed to it twice," Rubio told reporters. "I identified my point of contact, which is my chief of staff, and then later on … I congratulated the members of the team."

On Sunday, Trump dismissed the controversy as a politically motivated attack. "I don't fire people because of fake news and because of witch hunts," he said.

Hughes, the NSC spokesman, said that "Mike serves at the pleasure of President Trump and the President has voiced his support for the National Security Advisor multiple times this week."

While Democrats have seized on the incident as evidence of incompetence, some in the MAGA wing of the Republican Party have assailed Waltz as a George W. Bush-aligned neoconservative, circulating a video from 2016 in which he condemned Trump as a draft-dodger, saying "Stop Trump now."

"The chattering of unnamed sources should be treated with the skepticism of gossip from people lacking the integrity to attach their names," Hughes said.

When asked about the senior aide's use of Gmail for highly sensitive topics, Hughes said it is "unreasonable to ask for comment on an email you refuse to provide for my review." The Post accepted the emails on the condition that it would not disclose the materials in full.

A key mark in Waltz's favor is that the breach was discovered by a left-of-center media outlet and not conservative media, officials said.

"The one thing saving his job is that Trump doesn't want to give Jeff Goldberg a scalp," said a second administration official. "Despite all of Trump's attacks on the 'fake news,' he still reads the papers, and he doesn't like seeing this stuff."

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These tards are determined to be exactly like Hillary but worse.

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Trump is worse than Hillary in every single aspect except for the "owning the libs" part.

He's a ghoulish lizardperson having meetings with a cabal of r-slurred "conservative" think tanks and billionaires and he's poised to trigger a global recession, but hey he did own the libs hard even if through simultaneous self-owns.

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>when you trigger a global recession but at least you made redditors seethe

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Whatever it takes to keep Putin from leaking the s*x tapes with underage prostitutes....

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Trump is so hated that if those existed it would've been leaked already.

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Not if Putin has multiple high-quality videos from different angles.

Why else would Trump be so clearly doing Russia's bidding, at the expense of America's diplomatic and economic future?

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would anyone care, at this point?

heck, they'd probably just label them AI

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:#marseyobamacope:

>n-n-no Im the gigachad actually :fellforitagainaward:

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>n-n-no Im the gigachad actually :fellforitagainaward:

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Real talk Hillary prolly would have made the commies mad as frick too.

@Grue stand with israel

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The actual commies and DSA types? Absolutely. But trumptards hate regular libs more than commies.

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:marseyhorseshoe:

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Hillary would have been the bloo Nixon: stiff and awkward on a personal level but knew exactly how to put the fear in our adversaries abroad

!nixonchads !neolibs discuss

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I would like a Hilldawg president if it weren't the fact that she would've put 3 really shitty justices in the Supreme Court.

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yeah honestly the ideal really would've been trump in 2016, hillary in 2020 (winning two terms)

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The ideal world would've been Romney 2013-2021 and then Hillary 2021-present day

!neolibs !neocon

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:marseybl#owkiss: https://media.tenor.com/JflpZfDIEUwAAAAx/party-time-chumps-announcement.webp

Unironically.

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What have the current justices gotten for you that you care about? Dem judges would almost certainly have just stayed the course. Maybe student loan frickery would've been allowed (but I doubt it, and we wouldnt have gotten biden in this alternate universe anyway)

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Chevron, Bruen, originalism in general

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chevron - yeah that's what staying the course means. a decade more of chevron wasn't rly doing much harm. and imo giving this power to congress lobbyists instead of the (at least more) policy oriented wonks in the exec branch is r-slurred.

bruen - rahimi basically undercut it tho. i dont think a dem judge version would've been meaningfully different. but i am unsympathetic to gun rights which is my bias, so fine, i get it.

originalism is dumb, esp in gridlock govt today and with how fast society changes, we need more adaptive government in general

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Gridlock is good

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She would have made kenosha look like a peace festival :#marseydeathhillary:

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they have so much in common, i bet they could have fun if they hung out behind the scenes...oh wait

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She looks like a predator. Not metaphorically, she looks like she wants to stalk him in the tall grass then eat him.

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you know she's hunted human beings in the jungle while perched on the back of an elephant more than once in her life

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It's over if I foid don't look at you like this

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Idk, I think Shilldawwg at the helm would have done a 180 to the "yass kween im with her" messaging of her campaign. Deep down she's a hawk and probably only a democrat because of being a foid and having a black husband.

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Are all American politicians this dumb?

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:marseydoomer:

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In a democracy, a population gets the government it deserves.

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The real question is "how unusably bad is the official glowiemail software that government officials routinely avoid using it just to get anything done?"

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imagine being this r-slurred.

they don't want their illegal shit documented. same reason hillary ran important stuff off the books.

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*all politicians are this dump

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exactly like Hillary but worse.

!neolibs

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:#marseyclintongarrisonlove::#marseyclintongarrisonlove::#marseyclintongarrisonlove: :#laserbeam: :#@redactor0genocide:

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Umm no? Trump has done much more for Israel than Hillary ever has :marseysaluteisrael:

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I feel like they ALL might be r-slurred as a condition for entry into high level national politics.

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A senior Waltz aide

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The president has a blank check to classify or declassify anything he wants, which even the penthouse coastal liberals at the ABA agree with Trump on. So Trump could quite literally go "nah this shit is actually declassified lolol" at which point we're back to 4 years of endless lawfare and "uhm ackshually you didn't go through pRoPeR cHaNnELs Trumpy so get impeached and cry about it."

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So why didn't Obamna do that with Killary's emails?

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Probably because "privately storing all official classified correspondence on a personal server so that I can keep them when I lose my job" and "having a private talk with my boss that some buttmad journo leaked" are obviously different degrees of shady to anyone with a brain.

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>having a private talk with my boss that some buttmad journo leaked

You're kinda leaving out that it was them that invited the journo in the first place

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Also, LOL at this:

so that I can keep them when I lose my job

Yeah, Trump would never retain classified material after leaving office. And to preempt idiot MAGA takes: Trump may have had the power to declassify those materials while in office, but there's no evidence he did. Nor was he in office at the time that the documents were found in his possession. !nonchuds

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Trump could bomb Mexico or roll the tanks into Ottawa tomorrow, and even so MAGAtards would still claim Hillary and Biden were the actual warmongers.

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And they'd be right!

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I'm sure Hillary was coordinating attack plans on her email server. Oh, she wasn't? It was stuff that was mostly classified by technicality and not stuff that's usually top secret or more? :marseythinkorino2:

Also, bottom line: Trump's r-slurs failed to keep secrets secret. Hillary's email setup had the potential to leak. Both are breaches of procedure, but one was clearly worse. Losing actual control of secrets is clearly worse than simply putting them at risk.

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I'm sure Hillary agrees that she did nothing wrong, which is why she ordered her intern to destroy the server the moment she got caught. Total misunderstanding.

And the fact that you think "classified by technicality" means anything makes it obvious you've never had NTK. Information is usually overclassified precisely to keep people like Hillary from doing what they did.

Trump's employees were trying (and failing) to keep secrets from outside their circle. Hillary was trying (and failing) to keep secrets from everyone, including the people she worked for.

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I'm sure Hillary agrees that she did nothing wrong, which is why she ordered her intern to destroy the server the moment she got caught. Total misunderstanding.

Trump's team has been such a model of accepting responsibility for their failures. :marseyclueless:

And the fact that you think "classified by technicality" means anything makes it obvious you've never had NTK. Information is usually overclassified precisely to keep people like Hillary from doing what they did.

You're just undermining your own point when you argue that classified data is basically the same from barely-technically-classified up to stuff genuinely affecting national security.

Grouping the entire range so you can claim that leaking attack plans is somehow equivalent to not leaking (but risking a leak of) mundane internal emails is pure :marseycope:. Just open your throat a bit wider and keep gagging down Trump's peepee.

Trump's employees were trying (and failing) to keep secrets from outside their circle. Hillary was trying (and failing) to keep secrets from everyone, including the people she worked for.

Sweaty, the point of all management of secrets is to keep them from anyone who shouldn't have access. That's what "need to know" means.

Attempting to equate Trump's attack plans with Hillary's routine emails and Trump's leaking with Hillary's not-actually-leaking is pathetic. :marseypathetic:

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Trump's team has been such a model of accepting responsibility for their failures.

Only a cuck agrees to play by rules that his enemies clearly don't have to.

You're just undermining your own point when you argue that classified data spans the gamut from barely-technically-classified up to stuff genuinely affecting national security -- like I dunno, attack plans?

And you know none of that super duper important and dangerous stuff was on Hillary's server because? Or do you absolve her of blame because the heroic republicans showed her the error of her ways by force?

Sweaty, the point of all management of secrets is to keep them from anyone who shouldn't have access. That's what "need to know" means.

So you believe that the journo is the one at fault for leaking the information, not Trump's boys? Since he's the only one who did anything wrong?

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And you know none of that super duper important and dangerous stuff was on Hillary's server because?

I don't know with confidence because it didn't leak to the public. Only a Trump-tard could turn the fact that Hillary didn't actually leak her emails into evidence against her.

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She leaked them the moment she sent them over an unclassified channel without Obama's consent. That's the point you're missing, because you don't know how any of this works.

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Only a cuck agrees to play by rules that his enemies clearly don't have to.

So why is it such a big deal that Hillary had a private email server?

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Because she was never president. Donny was. Maybe she should try not losing all her elections next time.

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Weren't those "attack plans" just control but unclassified?

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because the clintons despise the obamas

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Trump absolutely can declassify whatever he wants. But not retroactively, legally speaking.

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>MUH HER E-MAILS :#soyjakmaga:

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Imagine still seething about this ten years later even though she never even got punished for it anyway

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promises made...

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Probably more secure than the ancient email system the govt uses :marseyshrug:

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Le folk wisdom tells me government email systems are insecure, this is a nothing burger

:#marseyshitforbrainstalking:

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The entire reason HRC used an offsite email system is because the feds messaging system was defunct.

Colin Powell made it a goal of his to overhaul federal emails and basically called the entire system worthless.

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Hillary Did Nothing Wrong :marseymlg:

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Perhaps you're just used to how things are run in your hemisphere, but most government functions related to defense in the United States actually work so we have no need to bluster constantly about it in public. I understand that other countries may have some need for more overt posturing regarding the definitely superpower level effectiveness of their equipment.

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:marseyclueless:

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woah woah, are you sure you want to pick a fight with the master haxors IT chads?

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Government boomers are r-slurred. I still just think about podesta getting btfo by a phishing email

The email was initially sent to the IT department as it was suspected of being a fake but was described as "legitimate" in an e-mail sent by a department employee, who later said he meant to write "illegitimate".

I didn't know this part tho :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd:

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Buttery Emails :#marseynails:

Bigot

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buttery males :marseybeandrool:


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Bigot

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Who cares if it's e-mail? It's literally insecure by default so trying to be "private" with it is fricking r-slurred.

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The NSC is the deep state. I don't get why they are fricking around so much. I wish Trump would just come out and say that he doesn't listen to them anyways :marseycry:

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Too many words

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I don't need you. There are a whole lot of other streamers that deserve my time and support. As they say there are plenty of other fish in the sea. Fish without husbands too... you liar skank. I will no longer be dedicating 1/3 of my day to moderating your chat. Let the wildebeests roam... and if you need me, I'll be in STPeach's chat from now on. You may not know this but I actually do watch her streams after yours are over. And I've been a 6 month subscriber as well... I donated her $30 the other day and said her outfit looked cute - she said I'm a sweetheart. Things are looking up for me (and down for you). This is where I bid farewell to you, have fun being a liar bitchface.

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Why are neighbors shocked these boomers are too stupid to know anything about opsec?

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