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EFFORTPOST new antiwork post just dropped (warning: :marseylongpost:)

https://tracingwoodgrains.medium.com/r-antiwork-a-tragedy-of-sanewashing-and-social-gentrification-56298af1c1a7

the real drama was in the making. it's been kinda a weird piece to write tbh

this isn't typical rdrama fare, but I figured I'd share it here since you guys kindly helped with a bunch of the background research.

oh and as thanks for providing me lots of pointers to links, here's a dump of every relevant link I dug up, including histories of jannies (shockingly: all anarchists) and a bunch of old archives of the sub, a tangent about violence that didn't end up going anywhere, and a heap of other nonsense.

cheers


TIMELINE:

18 August 2014:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130818004835/reddit.com/r/antiwork - sub origin - in praise of laziness

https://web.archive.org/web/20150703051842/http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/world-without-work/395294/ - atlantic - a world without work

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lafargue/1883/lazy/ the right to be lazy

3 July 2015:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150703071415/reddit.com/r/antiwork - Doreen Ford was second-ever mod of antiwork, becoming a moderator when it had some 1300 users

22 February 2017:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170222140844/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - slow growth. 2300 readers

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"phoenix--insurgent","resultSize":100} - main visible user besides AbolishWork, another anarchist who talks a lot about sabotaging bosses etc

31 October 2017:

https://web.archive.org/web/20171031035119/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - discussion starting to pick up a tiny bit

3 September 2018:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180903051111/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - i hate newreddit, but anyway, 4.8k subscribers and a new moderator. really starting to pick up steam within its niche

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/98wj7t/i_want_to_quit_the_corporate_life_but_feel_awful/ - randomly selected self-post from that time. note: AbolishWork there in the trenches, doing her thing

https://old.reddit.com/user/onedayitwillbedaisy - currently active in /r/anarchism and /r/destroywork

https://old.reddit.com/r/CrimethInc/ CrimethInc - run by that mod. rebel-left does its thing

19 October 2018:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181019205342/reddit.com/r/antiwork - 7.2k subscribers, helped by a boost from AskReddit and NoStupidQuestions https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"onedayitwillbedaisy","subreddit":"antiwork","searchFor":1,"resultSize":100,"query":"[META] frequently"}

13 February 2019:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190213030802/reddit.com/r/antiwork - 16.4k subscribers, well and truly taking off. New moderators:

DnLocky https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"DnLocky","resultSize":100}

IAmThe11 https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"IAmThe11","resultSize":100}

WinterTrabex https://www.reddit.com/user/WinterTrabex

pink_paperclips https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"pink_paperclips","resultSize":100}

(all anarchists)

21 November 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20191121192009/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - 67.9k subscribers

New moderators:

/u/Whitepirate15 - mostly apolitical. https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"whitepirate15","resultSize":100}

/u/Sehtriom - anarchist http://reddit.com/user/sehtriom

/u/Sasha_Unicorn - NEET, NeurodivergentPride, GenZedong communist, https://old.reddit.com/user/sasha_unicorn, https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/in9rqo/pov_youre_a_human_being_if_ussr_never_existed_be/g465m9t/?context=999, https://old.reddit.com/r/alltheleft/comments/hrfu29/can_someone_please_tell_me_what_my_ideology_is/fy45yqu/?context=999

29 June 2020: https://web.archive.org/web/20200629225114/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - 131.9k subscribers

New mods:

elektrybaut_trurla - generic socialist - https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"elektrybaut_trurla","resultSize":100,"query":"socialist"}

CremationLily - egoist anarchist - https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"cremationlily","resultSize":100,"query":"anarchism"}

(others beyond the "...more")

19 November 2020: https://web.archive.org/web/20201119090644/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - 194.8k subscribers, more and more memes

Early-ish media coverage:

22 October 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/opinion/work-resignations-covid.html

https://twitter.com/Molson_Hart/status/1451549611974402048

10 November 2021: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7waba/reddits-million-strong-anti-work-community-wants-to-blackout-black-frida - Vice on Black Friday Blackout

16 December 2021: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/12/16/reddit-kellogg-strike-antiwork/ - Kelloggs strike - wow they made fake job apps

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1468983773014470662 - viral tweet

16 December 2021: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/this-is-the-booming-movement-to-abolish-work-as-we-know-it - bloomberg interviews Doreen

"Sub culture" threads:

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/dzmbxh/unknown_easy_jobs_lets_share_our_knowledge_and/ - easy jobs

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/eay9e8/nothing_will_change/ - everyone is brainwashed into being happy working

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/ikcfeu/what_are_your_best_tips_for_being_a_slacker/ - tips for being a slacker

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/lf1uw2/if_you_think_capitalism_is_a_defendable_system/ - https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_2021-02-08-if-you-think-capitalism-is-a-defendable-system-and-working-everyday-is-s-png.1904389/ - immature to approve of daily work or capitalism

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/lo6wov/my_dads_a_working_class_hero/ - anger at hard workers, in post history user mostly talks about drugs, anarchism

https://twitter.com/black_autonomy/status/1283155252091383808 - on twitter but the Hard Antiwork Stance

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/ragevj/i_straight_up_dont_want_to_work/ - I straight up don't want to work

"No, that doesn't actually mean antiwork"

https://old.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/rc0whn/were_not_antiwork_we_just_dont_want_to_work/?sort=top

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/rp1e85/what_do_you_think_of_the_anti_work_movement/hq31xvm/ - we just want better conditions

ON VIOLENCE:

AbolishWork was pretty strict about nonviolence on the sub, partially for optics but perhaps partially as principle:

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"abolishwork","resultSize":100,"query":"violence"}

onedayitwillbedaisy is eagerly violent and pro-chaos, but avoids it on antiwork to avoid getting shut down:

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"onedayitwillbedaisy","resultSize":100,"query":"violence"}

DnLocky recommends How Nonviolence Protects the State:

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"dnlocky","resultSize":100,"query":"nonviolence"}

https://www.akpress.org/how-nonviolence-protects-the-state.html

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/cn9606/are_there_any_real_ways_to_fight_corporate_greed/ewhrb7g/?context=999

“Peaceful protests don’t work. Change will come with blood.”

IAmThe11, by contrast, opposes violence and seems chill: https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/aab2bu/i_want_my_boss_to_be_ripped_apart_by_dogs/ecqn30u/?context=999

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"IAmThe11","resultSize":100,"query":"violence"}

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"IAmThe11","resultSize":100,"query":"socialist"}

“compassionate socialist c*m anarchist”

WinterTrabax - roommate of Doreen/AbolishWork(https://i.imgur.com/a/o1JuifY) :

https://www.reveddit.com/v/antiwork/comments/cm7bh2/dont_forget_fight_club_was_released_in_1999/ew2ckdg/?context=999&ps_after=1565021097 - shoutouts for this and similar “knock it off with the violentposting” stuff

Sehtriom:

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/f6cuwy/well_when_you_put_it_that_way/fi6shyf/?context=999 - Appropriate response on violence

https://twitter.com/reddit_lies/status/1453361315397898250 sme violent posts

The sub evolves:

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qe0cv5/the_subreddit_is_antiwork_not_reformwork_were_not/ The faultline between anti- and reform- exposed and explored, with gigachad meme dude stepping in: https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qe0cv5/the_subreddit_is_antiwork_not_reformwork_were_not/hhqfp0c/

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rgyqud/i_do_not_want_to_work_let_me_make_myself_clear_i/honjuig/ people begin calling the originals plants

https://old.reddit.com/r/JustUnsubbed/comments/eqhpzt/rantiwork_is_getting_pretty_ridiculous/ poor lost soul on what it "used to be"

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qown4a/i_do_miss_the_old_antiwork/ - wojaks wojaks wojaks

Anarchists complain about the shift:

https://twitter.com/_saintdrew/status/1452710096396595200

https://twitter.com/EcoTechBro/status/1452700071393472518

Viral tweets about text exchanges with bad bosses:

https://twitter.com/TravisShreffler/status/1449547981821206533

https://twitter.com/tadpr0le/status/1452033437389312001

The Interview:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220126190515/https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sdb68w/sorry_doesnt_cut_it_mods_are_not_leaders_of_this/ - mods how dare you, you're not our bosses

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/se3umd/petition_shut_down_rantiwork/ - Petition: shut down antiwork

https://archive.is/N9ePf - direct conversation with Doreen

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/se62xd/ualex_moran_is_100_an_alt_account_for_uabolish/ - ALT??? (no, people just fell for a troll: ![](https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841349533096805.webp

)

Doreen confesses to masturbating next to someone who didn't want it and putting their hand on her boxers:

https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/

Kimezukae - NYT + other interviews.

https://archive.is/20220127200358/https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sdwd28/statement_rantiwork/ - post-left anarchist "long-term unemployed" NEET doing NYTimes interview

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"kimezukae","searchFor":1,"resultSize":100} - stepping down

whitepirate15 - briefly head mod, all sorts of weird s*x stuff https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/seechm/restructuring_recent_events_megathread/hujyyib/?context=9

EphraelStern - reddit powermod brought in to clean up and represent the will of its new userbase

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/seechm/restructuring_recent_events_megathread/

SRD RECAPS:

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/sdesxw/megathread_rantiwork_goes_private_after_fox_news/

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/sdz6oy/megathread_part_2_rantiwork_reopens_rworkreform/

WORKREFORM PLOTLINE:

https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdlxqa/today_was_a_big_day_150k_members_and_counting_in/ - 150k members in a day (470k now)

(commies mad)

https://old.reddit.com/r/COMPLETEANARCHY/comments/sdjivd/rworkreform_is_a_liberal_attempt_to_coopt_a/ - anarchists notice its mods work at a bank

https://old.reddit.com/r/DankLeft/comments/sdyhjp/psa_rworkreform_is_run_by_literal_bank_executives/ - so do other commies

https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkersStrikeBack/comments/sdoq7o/stop_promoting_rworkreform/ - commies mad that it's reform

https://old.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/se0rdg/i_tried_out_rworkreform_instead_of_rantiwork_holy/ - commies mad that some there don't hate right wing

https://old.reddit.com/r/DankLeft/comments/sdpkd2/when_i_looked_at_my_phone_after_work_referring_to/ - commies mad that mod is cryptobro

(commies mad)

https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdp8gn/yeah_i_work_in_a_bank_taking_calls_assisting/ - uh yeah i'm a low-level bank employee. spooky right?

https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sedd6u/riop3l_heading_out/ - peaceing out

https://old.reddit.com/r/Workers_Revolt/comments/siloe5/transparency_is_key_screenshot_this_post_before/ (https://archive.is/XIO5v) - SandersForPresident mod takeover timeline

(moderates /r/SandersForPresident, /r/NewDealAmerica, /r/OregonForSanders, /r/ReadyForAOC, and /r/VoteAOC)

DestroyWork:

https://old.reddit.com/r/destroywork/comments/sibmpd/labor_must_be_voluntary_for_all_this_isnt_about/ - simple summary

https://old.reddit.com/r/destroywork/comments/sfmpkq/what_is_the_purpose_of_this_subreddit/ destroywork chronicling antiwork’s original story

Communist lesson from collapse:

https://twitter.com/SwampCommunist/status/1486730907637612553

Related concepts:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/lying-flat-is-justice-chinese-millennials-are-chilling-and-beijing-isnt-happy-about-it/articleshow/84164663.cms - tangping or lying flat in china

https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05008/japan’s-hikikomori-population-could-top-10-million.html - hikikomori in japan

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neet - NEET

Fun:

https://preview.redd.it/n5w8thru3xd81.png?width=750&auto=webp&s=066e5fd5f1954c006c2088a9746b9eaed40a95c2 - COAL MINING ENJOYER

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/whats-your-job-on-the-leftist-commune - whats your job on the leftist commune

RELEVANT GENERAL INFO:

https://status451.com/2016/09/15/social-gentrification/ - Social gentrification

https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_of_what_you_read_on_the_internet_is_written/ - Most of what you read on the internet is written by insane people

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Unironically great content and very well written. You make me want to start my own blog as a writing exercise. Any tips? I enjoy your style.

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Thanks!

The main tip I have is to start not with an independent blog, but by making thoughtful self-posts in a few relevant communities that you can later port over to a blog. I don’t know about others, but I need feedback and interaction when I write. Drawing eyes to a new blog is tougher than drawing them to an effortpost, people are always looking for good community contributions in niche spaces, and it’s both fun and useful to build up a name for yourself within a small defined group.

I was lucky to find spaces that suited my style very well, starting with r/slatestarcodex back in the day before moving on to r/TheMotte and r/theschism as the spaces and my interests evolved. I like general-purpose spaces that are willing to let people post on basically whatever they find interesting. rdrama honestly does a good job of this despite (because of) its lack of self-seriousness.

So yeah—find a community you want to read your work and start by writing for them.

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