the real drama was in the making. it's been kinda a weird piece to write tbh
this isn't typical rdrama fare, but I figured I'd share it here since you guys kindly helped with a bunch of the background research.
oh and as thanks for providing me lots of pointers to links, here's a dump of every relevant link I dug up, including histories of jannies (shockingly: all anarchists) and a bunch of old archives of the sub, a tangent about violence that didn't end up going anywhere, and a heap of other nonsense.
cheers
TIMELINE:
18 August 2014:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130818004835/reddit.com/r/antiwork - sub origin - in praise of laziness
https://web.archive.org/web/20150703051842/http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/world-without-work/395294/ - atlantic - a world without work
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lafargue/1883/lazy/ the right to be lazy
3 July 2015:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150703071415/reddit.com/r/antiwork - Doreen Ford was second-ever mod of antiwork, becoming a moderator when it had some 1300 users
22 February 2017:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170222140844/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - slow growth. 2300 readers
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"phoenix--insurgent","resultSize":100} - main visible user besides AbolishWork, another anarchist who talks a lot about sabotaging bosses etc
31 October 2017:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171031035119/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - discussion starting to pick up a tiny bit
3 September 2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180903051111/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - i hate newreddit, but anyway, 4.8k subscribers and a new moderator. really starting to pick up steam within its niche
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/98wj7t/i_want_to_quit_the_corporate_life_but_feel_awful/ - randomly selected self-post from that time. note: AbolishWork there in the trenches, doing her thing
https://old.reddit.com/user/onedayitwillbedaisy - currently active in /r/anarchism and /r/destroywork
https://old.reddit.com/r/CrimethInc/ CrimethInc - run by that mod. rebel-left does its thing
19 October 2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019205342/reddit.com/r/antiwork - 7.2k subscribers, helped by a boost from AskReddit and NoStupidQuestions https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"onedayitwillbedaisy","subreddit":"antiwork","searchFor":1,"resultSize":100,"query":"[META] frequently"}
13 February 2019:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190213030802/reddit.com/r/antiwork - 16.4k subscribers, well and truly taking off. New moderators:
DnLocky https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"DnLocky","resultSize":100}
IAmThe11 https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"IAmThe11","resultSize":100}
WinterTrabex https://www.reddit.com/user/WinterTrabex
pink_paperclips https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"pink_paperclips","resultSize":100}
(all anarchists)
21 November 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20191121192009/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - 67.9k subscribers
New moderators:
/u/Whitepirate15 - mostly apolitical. https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"whitepirate15","resultSize":100}
/u/Sehtriom - anarchist http://reddit.com/user/sehtriom
/u/Sasha_Unicorn - NEET, NeurodivergentPride, GenZedong communist, https://old.reddit.com/user/sasha_unicorn, https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/in9rqo/pov_youre_a_human_being_if_ussr_never_existed_be/g465m9t/?context=999, https://old.reddit.com/r/alltheleft/comments/hrfu29/can_someone_please_tell_me_what_my_ideology_is/fy45yqu/?context=999
29 June 2020: https://web.archive.org/web/20200629225114/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - 131.9k subscribers
New mods:
elektrybaut_trurla - generic socialist - https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"elektrybaut_trurla","resultSize":100,"query":"socialist"}
CremationLily - egoist anarchist - https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"cremationlily","resultSize":100,"query":"anarchism"}
(others beyond the "...more")
19 November 2020: https://web.archive.org/web/20201119090644/https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ - 194.8k subscribers, more and more memes
Early-ish media coverage:
22 October 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/opinion/work-resignations-covid.html
https://x.com/Molson_Hart/status/1451549611974402048
10 November 2021: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7waba/reddits-million-strong-anti-work-community-wants-to-blackout-black-frida - Vice on Black Friday Blackout
16 December 2021: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/12/16/reddit-kellogg-strike-antiwork/ - Kelloggs strike - wow they made fake job apps
https://x.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1468983773014470662 - viral tweet
16 December 2021: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/this-is-the-booming-movement-to-abolish-work-as-we-know-it - bloomberg interviews Doreen
"Sub culture" threads:
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/dzmbxh/unknown_easy_jobs_lets_share_our_knowledge_and/ - easy jobs
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/eay9e8/nothing_will_change/ - everyone is brainwashed into being happy working
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/ikcfeu/what_are_your_best_tips_for_being_a_slacker/ - tips for being a slacker
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/lf1uw2/if_you_think_capitalism_is_a_defendable_system/ - https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_2021-02-08-if-you-think-capitalism-is-a-defendable-system-and-working-everyday-is-s-png.1904389/ - immature to approve of daily work or capitalism
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/lo6wov/my_dads_a_working_class_hero/ - anger at hard workers, in post history user mostly talks about drugs, anarchism
https://x.com/black_autonomy/status/1283155252091383808 - on twitter but the Hard Antiwork Stance
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/ragevj/i_straight_up_dont_want_to_work/ - I straight up don't want to work
"No, that doesn't actually mean antiwork"
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/rp1e85/what_do_you_think_of_the_anti_work_movement/hq31xvm/ - we just want better conditions
ON VIOLENCE:
AbolishWork was pretty strict about nonviolence on the sub, partially for optics but perhaps partially as principle:
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"abolishwork","resultSize":100,"query":"violence"}
onedayitwillbedaisy is eagerly violent and pro-chaos, but avoids it on antiwork to avoid getting shut down:
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"onedayitwillbedaisy","resultSize":100,"query":"violence"}
DnLocky recommends How Nonviolence Protects the State:
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"dnlocky","resultSize":100,"query":"nonviolence"}
https://www.akpress.org/how-nonviolence-protects-the-state.html
“Peaceful protests don’t work. Change will come with blood.”
IAmThe11, by contrast, opposes violence and seems chill: https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/aab2bu/i_want_my_boss_to_be_ripped_apart_by_dogs/ecqn30u/?context=999
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"IAmThe11","resultSize":100,"query":"violence"}
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"IAmThe11","resultSize":100,"query":"socialist"}
“compassionate socialist c*m anarchist”
WinterTrabax - roommate of Doreen/AbolishWork(https://i.imgur.com/a/o1JuifY) :
https://www.reveddit.com/v/antiwork/comments/cm7bh2/dont_forget_fight_club_was_released_in_1999/ew2ckdg/?context=999&ps_after=1565021097 - shoutouts for this and similar “knock it off with the violentposting” stuff
Sehtriom:
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/f6cuwy/well_when_you_put_it_that_way/fi6shyf/?context=999 - Appropriate response on violence
https://x.com/reddit_lies/status/1453361315397898250 sme violent posts
The sub evolves:
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qe0cv5/the_subreddit_is_antiwork_not_reformwork_were_not/ The faultline between anti- and reform- exposed and explored, with gigachad meme dude stepping in: https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qe0cv5/the_subreddit_is_antiwork_not_reformwork_were_not/hhqfp0c/
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rgyqud/i_do_not_want_to_work_let_me_make_myself_clear_i/honjuig/ people begin calling the originals plants
https://old.reddit.com/r/JustUnsubbed/comments/eqhpzt/rantiwork_is_getting_pretty_ridiculous/ poor lost soul on what it "used to be"
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qown4a/i_do_miss_the_old_antiwork/ - wojaks wojaks wojaks
Anarchists complain about the shift:
https://x.com/_saintdrew/status/1452710096396595200
https://x.com/EcoTechBro/status/1452700071393472518
Viral tweets about text exchanges with bad bosses:
https://x.com/TravisShreffler/status/1449547981821206533
https://x.com/tadpr0le/status/1452033437389312001
The Interview:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220126190515/https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sdb68w/sorry_doesnt_cut_it_mods_are_not_leaders_of_this/ - mods how dare you, you're not our bosses
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/se3umd/petition_shut_down_rantiwork/ - Petition: shut down antiwork
https://archive.is/N9ePf - direct conversation with Doreen
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/se62xd/ualex_moran_is_100_an_alt_account_for_uabolish/ - ALT??? (no, people just fell for a troll: ![](https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841349533096805.webp
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Doreen confesses to masturbating next to someone who didn't want it and putting their hand on her boxers:
https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/
Kimezukae - NYT + other interviews.
https://archive.is/20220127200358/https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sdwd28/statement_rantiwork/ - post-left anarchist "long-term unemployed" NEET doing NYTimes interview
https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{"author":"kimezukae","searchFor":1,"resultSize":100} - stepping down
whitepirate15 - briefly head mod, all sorts of weird s*x stuff https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/seechm/restructuring_recent_events_megathread/hujyyib/?context=9
EphraelStern - reddit powermod brought in to clean up and represent the will of its new userbase
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/seechm/restructuring_recent_events_megathread/
SRD RECAPS:
WORKREFORM PLOTLINE:
https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdlxqa/today_was_a_big_day_150k_members_and_counting_in/ - 150k members in a day (470k now)
(commies mad)
https://old.reddit.com/r/COMPLETEANARCHY/comments/sdjivd/rworkreform_is_a_liberal_attempt_to_coopt_a/ - anarchists notice its mods work at a bank
https://old.reddit.com/r/DankLeft/comments/sdyhjp/psa_rworkreform_is_run_by_literal_bank_executives/ - so do other commies
https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkersStrikeBack/comments/sdoq7o/stop_promoting_rworkreform/ - commies mad that it's reform
https://old.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/se0rdg/i_tried_out_rworkreform_instead_of_rantiwork_holy/ - commies mad that some there don't hate right wing
https://old.reddit.com/r/DankLeft/comments/sdpkd2/when_i_looked_at_my_phone_after_work_referring_to/ - commies mad that mod is cryptobro
(commies mad)
https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdp8gn/yeah_i_work_in_a_bank_taking_calls_assisting/ - uh yeah i'm a low-level bank employee. spooky right?
https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sedd6u/riop3l_heading_out/ - peaceing out
https://old.reddit.com/r/Workers_Revolt/comments/siloe5/transparency_is_key_screenshot_this_post_before/ (https://archive.is/XIO5v) - SandersForPresident mod takeover timeline
(moderates /r/SandersForPresident, /r/NewDealAmerica, /r/OregonForSanders, /r/ReadyForAOC, and /r/VoteAOC)
DestroyWork:
https://old.reddit.com/r/destroywork/comments/sibmpd/labor_must_be_voluntary_for_all_this_isnt_about/ - simple summary
https://old.reddit.com/r/destroywork/comments/sfmpkq/what_is_the_purpose_of_this_subreddit/ destroywork chronicling antiwork’s original story
Communist lesson from collapse:
https://x.com/SwampCommunist/status/1486730907637612553
Related concepts:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/lying-flat-is-justice-chinese-millennials-are-chilling-and-beijing-isnt-happy-about-it/articleshow/84164663.cms - tangping or lying flat in china
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05008/japan’s-hikikomori-population-could-top-10-million.html - hikikomori in japan
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neet - NEET
Fun:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/whats-your-job-on-the-leftist-commune - whats your job on the leftist commune
RELEVANT GENERAL INFO:
https://status451.com/2016/09/15/social-gentrification/ - Social gentrification
https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_of_what_you_read_on_the_internet_is_written/ - Most of what you read on the internet is written by insane people
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Seems like a thoughtful and well written and researched piece! Too bad that all journ*lists deserve the gulag and their day of reckoning will come!
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fair and proportionate
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This is a blogger not a journ*list
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oh ok then, he can spared the gulag and given straight to the firing squad.
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He uses a r/neoliberal post to explain one of the terms in his blog post
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I love that the slots spam is hidden
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Or as we call them, SRDines
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Srdines genuinely disgust me. Their digital smell is abhorrent.
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For real though, that statement puts exactly why I hate redditors into words. So excellently written
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Beautiful. !Blackjack100
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@cynic @Snappy seems to have embraced the antiwork lifestyle on this post
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I think snappy is tired of reading posts about this topic, I know I am.
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There's like 300 links in there can you blame xer
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"You’ve come across the gentrifiers before, I’m sure. They browse the front page of reddit and the trending tab of YouTube, buy Ruth Bader Ginsberg figurines and wear Che Guevara T-shirts. They vote for Bernie in the primaries and Biden in the general, first outraged that anyone could want Biden and then outraged that anyone could not. They share articles about how the 2020 BLM protests were overwhelmingly peaceful and then hop online to cheer “ACAB” and “F — — capitalism” graffiti and pictures of burning police precincts. They shout “Defund the Police” while angrily asserting that nobody wants to abolish the police. They manage to boldly stand at once for every fashionable cause and against every unfashionable cause, embracing the aesthetics of radicalism while denying complicity or knowledge whenever that radicalism gets too real. And r/antiwork was the perfect community for them to turn into a cause celebre."
This is reddit in a nutshell, well-done.
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That would be a cruel statement if it weren't utterly factual
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idk what you're talking about. maybe your browser was broken? check again
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Hi X (formerly chiobu)!
I think out of all of us slobs you have the most district posting style.
Article is well worth the read if you have time.
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God darn this is a great neurodivergent effortpost. Well done, comrade.
eta: I think this is the same chick who posted about TERFs and Bardfinn (counter!). I pointed her to Bardfinn's history of abuse and child support evasion.
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🚨Bard bot alert!🚨
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Wait a sec when did we break the previous record?
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https://rdrama.com/comment/1330069?context=8#context
We did it reddit!
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Rude, bots deserve time off too.
Bardfinn says bots rights!
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20 hour work weeks for bots is a human right!
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Nice article.
Even though all your research is just using Google and Reddit competently, still has lucid whiff of your podcast buddies, high praise in dire intellectual climate.
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yeah turns out there's a solid gap in the Marketplace Of Ideas for literally just "look directly for ten seconds at what's actually going on in the latest online outrage"
this says something about Society
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That is should be destroyed brick by brick?
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Did you break Snappy?
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snappy was in the way and needed to be handled
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Snappy was taken out back and shot
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Nice write-up, I had a good time reading it
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Thanks!
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Way too high effort for drama. Good job
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in before snappy
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he's totally not talkibg about rdrama though
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No, relax, we are all really well adjusted members of society.
Dude bussy lmao
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Really good article.
Just another way rdrama is better than reddit. Stay losing plebbitors
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Question: do you have many readers? Coz it'd kinda suck if you spent so much time on this only for it to be read by 50 people
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Historically, I've mostly written in r/TheMotte and r/theschism, where I cheat by posting to shared audiences who are there for many more people than just me, both because I like attention and because I like being one of a community rather than a solo writer poking around for fans. Most of my pieces end up just hanging out in comments sections over there. I estimate I get around 1000 readers on those ones. My piece on rdrama is my current peak in public visibility, with around 20k views. On the occasions I post to Medium, I usually expect to get between 500 and 2000 views, mostly via the above communities.
so - do I have many readers? Not compared to more serious writers, but enough to get good discussion and have a good time
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Interesting. Do you have any monetary compensation from those or is it a purely hobby thing? Are you hoping to get noticed by something or someone bigger? Also lol that the piece on rdrama hit So high. I guess dramatards posting it in almost every related discussion on reddit and the topic being TXBountyHunters helped a lot
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It’s purely a hobby right now, but it also directly led to my job with B&R. I’d love to get noticed by a broader slice of the public, but I’m not writing to be noticed by someone so much as writing because that’s what I do.
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A self-indulgent update: Thanks in large part to rdrama's support, it's now my most-read piece ever, currently clocking in at 25000 views.
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Is this going on blocked and reported?
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probably not in quite the same form but I need to write up shownotes for a potential segment yeah
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From an old post on r/antiwork asking for easy jobs
They can't see it, but they're sooooo close to being aware of the real issues
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There is no snappy here
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Fricking heck Trace I'm getting Taibbi/Glennpai vibes here, absolute king
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Theres so much crap in this post that it literally broke the site.
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@Aevann snappy fricking died on this post
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way too many links lmao, fixed
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Assuming great post, haven't read it all yet but I found this funny. In your article you link gentrified safe space and in that article he says this
...and then spends 1315 words on the analogy, neurodivergentally over explaining everything. Is this tongue in cheek lol
edit: I'm guessing not, heres the ending
Edit 2: just finished, bravo
this quote needs to be plastered on the front page of every user submitted content website
"Most of What You Read on the Internet is Written by Insane People"
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Great article.
Thats a perfect way of explaining why i hate social media and modern activism.
I dont know if youre a moid or a foid, but id let you smash my bussy anytime Call me
Also, the end-note is really sympathetic to doreen, which is a really nice gesture. R-slurred as "she" may be, i feel bad for the shitshow she got dragged through through no actual fault of her own.
(Also, in the first paragrpah under "aftermath" you call her a "job walker" which is funny but im pretty sure is supposed to be "dog walker" )
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thanks bb
yeah, I had zero sympathy going in but couldn’t help but feel for her after seeing just how much she’d done there and how completely the space acted like she couldn’t possibly have any claim to represent them. she’s a trainwreck, but a million people hopped into her corner of the internet and then got mad she was still there. that’s gotta sting
lol I want to keep “job walker” but I’d better go at least put a strikethrough in
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I almost didnt want to mention the "job walker" thing because its just perfect.
And yeah, i dont have much respect, far less sympathy, for people like doreen. But even though "she" is the refuse of modern society, she still doesnt deserve to have her little corner taken away from her. As you say, she's the ugly truth about what the subreddit has always been. Blaming her for pulling away the curtain is unfair when she didnt put up any curtain in the first place. The interview was pathetic and i enjoyed every second, but the subreddit had no right to stab her in the back.
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Tldr I need to get off the intranet
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Unironically great content and very well written. You make me want to start my own blog as a writing exercise. Any tips? I enjoy your style.
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Thanks!
The main tip I have is to start not with an independent blog, but by making thoughtful self-posts in a few relevant communities that you can later port over to a blog. I don’t know about others, but I need feedback and interaction when I write. Drawing eyes to a new blog is tougher than drawing them to an effortpost, people are always looking for good community contributions in niche spaces, and it’s both fun and useful to build up a name for yourself within a small defined group.
I was lucky to find spaces that suited my style very well, starting with r/slatestarcodex back in the day before moving on to r/TheMotte and r/theschism as the spaces and my interests evolved. I like general-purpose spaces that are willing to let people post on basically whatever they find interesting. rdrama honestly does a good job of this despite (because of) its lack of self-seriousness.
So yeah—find a community you want to read your work and start by writing for them.
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I checked out your college speedrun any% series and couldn't find an ending. What happened to your attempt? Did you finish it?
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I was on track for most of the process, then abruptly lost interest and momentum 90% of the way through. Now I need to finish the last few courses but keep dragging my feet
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Excellent writing once again.
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The formatting on this post is dogshit. Keep yourself safe
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Didn’t read great work
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fun read. I’m surprised I hadn’t heard the terms sanewashing and social gentrification before I read this as those terms seem really useful.
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I'm unsure how many layers of abstraction and irony the world we live in is hidden behind. My only conclusion from this entire saga is that I shouldn't worry about being an insane person, and just commit to being who I actually am, which is an absolute manic.
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Typo, should be dog not job walker no?
Anyways nice article.
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Wow, that's actually an excellent article. Good shit
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Forgot 'fat'
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Too long didn’t read.
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Excellent article that even envoked my pity for Doreen. You're a very talented writer and I'm glad you've decided to represent our community (but I reserve the right to shame and mock you if you ever go on Fox News or any outlet for an official interview representing us)
Look forward to your next article.
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Not just a great article, but well sourced with a lot of interesting links. I've literally spent the last few hours following a lot of these links and I'd be inclined to try to bill you for my time, if it weren't for the fact that I don't feel hollow, like I've just wasted hours of my life on meaningless internet bullshit, but rather I feel like I've wasted hours of my life getting a better grasp of reddit and internet culture.
And, of course, I'll always be grateful to you for introducing the word 'sanewashing' into my lexicon. The corners of the internet, let alone the real world, where this term will come in useful, are breathtakingly small, but I'll find a way to shoehorn it into some spergpost or other.
Great work. If you're a filthy mayo, I hope you're one of the only two spared when the mayocide finally arrives.
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Wow dude, get a job. Holy shit.
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Shouldn't it be "didn't represent them"?
Anyway I loved it you should post more of your stuff
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Nah, using it in the sense of “she went on air to represent them”.
and thanks! I feel bad posting too much of it here because most of it’s not very dramatic but I’ll stop by when I have material relevant to rdrama interests
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words, words, words.....
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Sanewashing, Patriarchy's attempt to Gaslampwash.
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know what was a great idea? to make awards that cover yer screen with garbage making the threads harder to read.
top notch work, rdrama!
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