He's right, mostly. If you want to actually survive then you should have already trained in an actual military and in a combat MOS. They keep responding with "well Zelensky said..." yeah of course he's going to take any volunteers because the truth is there's a good chance of them losing Kyiv. And when they likely take Kyiv you won't be fighting DNR conscripts driving logistics vehicles. You'll most likely be fighting Russian infantry who are trained in urban warfare. If you surrender or get captured, Russia isn't known for treating enemy POWs well. Torture is common and summary executions aren't unknown since 2014. It isn't a coincidence that Russia travels with mobile cremation vehicles. A well-trained company can hold off a regiment of poorly trained attackers in a city. A poorly trained company gets surrounded and their bodies get disappeared.
Here are hot takes from COD heroes disagreeing with him and my highly intellectual commentary in response:
Would you tell that to the soldiers at the Alamo? General Washington give up your fight! Innocent Ukrainians are being slaughtered and you give cowardly advice to people that are willing to die for a justifiable cause. Stand your ground!
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After that, expect to die. People whoa re dead fight the hardest. If you couldn't handle your combat experience I am sorry.
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Donβt let anyone tell you what wars you can and canβt fight in.
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"I'm an infantry veteran of fallujah and ramadi and I'm still questioning my qualifications"
Lol! This post is pure propaganda. The truth is in modern wars like this, you and your squad need to overwhelm the enemy with firepower and whoever makes the enemy squad retreats wins. It's a firepower battle, you just need to shoot in their direction while talking good cover. You won't he riding tanks, you won't he sniping enemies from a thousand meters. Now of course , you can still get hit, high possibility as there would intense firefights. You also need to be fit and have the courage/morale to fight. But to say that you need to be a decorated war veteran is false. Volunteers can do just as well or better than recruited army soldiers. Type on YouTube "Ukraine soldier guarding bridge has only fired 16 rounds in his life". Many here shoot more rounds than that on an average sunday afternoon.
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Doesnβt take much of a brain cell to fire a weapon at a opposing enemy thatβs attempting to take your freedom. Tell that statement to the Scottish fighters with pitchforks against the Kingsmen, or the colonies farmers and their simple hunting muskets. 10 plus years prior, and private contract here.
Fricking liar.
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These people really think war is just like their bideo games, you just have to aim at the muskal and pull the trigger.
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Not to seriouspost on rdrama but there is real research by real scientists that says even trained soldiers struggle to actually shoot people. I cannot imagine a redditor being able to shoot an animal, let alone a person.
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Like mentally/consciously or physically canβt?
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Solution: add upmarseys and Reddit rewards for shooting Russians
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POV: The last thing you see on the battlefield before your vision fades to black and you hear in the distance, "Wow thanks for the gold kind Ukrainarino!"
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The cuck of Kiev
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Are you talking about the On Killing report about soldiers intentionally aiming to miss and requiring seventy gorjilion rounds shot per kill? Because that's all pop science bunk.
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Yeah I read all those books pretty sure it's deboonked.
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The real answer is that it's really fricking hard to move in gear, fire at enemies who are shooting back and taking cover, often at 400+ meters range. Go set up a basic course on a flat range and see how hard it is to quickly move and engage targets, now consider doing that while tired, wearing a pack and armor, without a really great idea of where the targets will be, and trying to not hit your own squad.
Regardless of reason, putting rounds downrange is the best way to score a hit, but just putting the rounds near the target is pretty difficult
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The real reason is the US military has JDAMs to do the killing and the bullets are just there to keep the terrorists pinned down. Also, the guy who wrote On Killing made up a bunch of his shit to push an agenda so none of it is valid.
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Grossman is a tard but the round count = victory stat has quite a bit of evidence to back it. It's just that the issues are no "soldiers don't want to shoot people" it's more that it's difficult to get effective rounds on target, and may require advanced technology, training, weapons systems, combined arms and a whole host of other factors that oftentimes have nothing to do with small arms and individual marksmanship (which is still a fundamental skill that everyone should have)
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round count = victory? Isn't this just saying the army with the bigger, more reliable supply chain wins? Everything else you wrote seems to be the same thing as what I said, infantry works with armored/aerial elements to eliminate targets. Obviously a rifleman needs to know how to fire his gun, but only high speed tacticool spec ops seem to actually get up close enough to reliably shoot other people, and the recent raid against the ISIS leader hiding out in Syria shows that they'd rather bomb a compound than go in if they don't have to. The only recent battle I can think of where soldiers went into pitched firefights was the second battle of Fallujah but I'm just a dumb civ so what the frick do I know.
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I can't wait for the day Americans have to fight someone who also has air support
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No air support = meat grinder
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Yeh, the vast majority of people are perfectly capable of shooting someone dead if it's required of them https://archive.ph/jxSBa
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Maybe if they trained as hard as the Iranians they could do get it done.
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Ww2 post war questionaires and surveys of soldiers
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Grossman is a hack, stick to non-serious posting
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Trust the science chud
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Iβd think a redditor would sooner shoot a person than an animal.
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Tell the redditors that the Russians killed a pupper and they'll go full John Wick (epic pop culture reference 100)
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It's only logical if you believe humans have agency and animals don't. Lots of bad people to shoot out there if you really wanted to.
However, Redditors generally don't believe in human agency for anyone, except ytbois
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Are you kidding? If I knew I could slay slavs with no risk I would be all over it
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I'd struggle to shoot a person but I'd unload a magazine into a redditor without a second thought.
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Civil War muskets were often found with a shitload of balls stacked on top of each other because people would keep reloading and not firing.
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I read somewhere that it's because their drill didn't include discharging their rod in order to conserve ammunition - so when they were in the thick of it with explosions and lead all around, they regressed to muscle memory.
(And if I read it somewhere, it must be true.)
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I don't think I could pull a trigger on another european either.
The rest is alright.
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Rus aren't European, let alone human
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I don't know, I'd like to see an united europe one day. That's the only way to get rid of the mutt influence.
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Federating into a untied nation seems like copying the mutts tbh
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Mutts copied the French. They even copied the whole "genocide natives and ban their language" thing, rip Occitan
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If either wanted to exterminate the indigenes there wouldnβt be any at all lmao.
Also, Occitan is just a hyped up dialect of French, not to mention still spoken.
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Good, itβll be easier administratively to roll all them up into the United States of America and Europe
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united europe would just be ultralib & a wallstreet puppet, and any political party or movement espousing anything else would be banned or controlled opposition lol
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I think it would just be a technocrat entity like it is now, which is incredibly based. Frick the poor and the uneducated.
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That is an r-slured myth. It's from some stupid book, I forget which one, and it got really popular because people are idiots. It's built on the logic of "lots of ammunition is used but not a lot of people get hit". I hope I don't have to explain how stupid that is. Look at history. In combat, 99% of people absolutely will shoot to kill.
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Struggling to shoot people comes from empathy, so there would be no issue for redditors
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That was basically fake research, I'll see if I can find the deboonking
here we go https://archive.ph/jxSBa (no it's not a picture of busted butthole)
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i dont trust anything scientists say
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Everyone's naive and stupid when they're young and can't really comprehend that bad things do happen in life until they're old enough to have had a few bad things happen to them. Until then, they believe that they're gonna go to war and have an adventure and then come home and impress girls with their bravery. Feels boomerlike having such thoughts, but that's how it goes.
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I'm convinced most people don't really fear death until their brain fully develops.
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Since turning 25 I've become far more health and safety concious. Every once in a while I go "this is really dangerous if things go poorly", which is a thought I never had previously
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Iβm only in my 30s and I take fricking fish oil. You definitely start having a concept of mortality after a certain point and a desire to respect it
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It kind of sucks. I miss the feeling.
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I'd bet a lot of these guys have very little real firearms experience and probably almost none of them are actually trained to handle firearms properly. Airsoft does not prepare you for actually using a military grade weapon while under fire. They'd probably have a panic attack and get ventilated from 5 different directions the second they got in an actual fight.
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They'll work perfectly well filling the logistics role of being sandbags
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Let's make it efficient, have them take the flight through Donetsk.
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Volunteers?
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