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alright, have a blessed day, peace β
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It's over for clumps-of-cels
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What's the argument here though? A baby is a fricking dumb useless noisy lump of meat until it's not, so I don't see what there point is.
If it's OK to kill cells it's OK to kill a baby by this logic. Both have the same potential.
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Think people just need to be honest and move away from this whole debate around at what point does human life begin nonsense.
Its a balance between the mother's rights and the unborn baby's rights with the two sides disagreeing where that balance lies.
My solution is to provide abortions by way of medically-induced deliveries. If the baby survived, the mother has to keep it. If the baby dies, the abortion was a success. This approach solves all the complexity and should make everyone happy.
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I understand your pain. Redditors are too stupid to clarify what they're arguing about, so let's try:
Translation: The definition of a baby involves more than just a thoughtless, unaware, senseless collection of cells. [Implied: there has to be something else to fully constitute a "baby."]
Translation: I partially agree; however, the viability of the fetus and [somehow] the intense desire of the woman wanting the baby are relevant.
That's it. No, I'm not going to look at the thread for additional context. It's an issue of semantics, mainly revolving around "personhood status." No philosopher has figured that out, so the abortion debate will rage on.
The "flip a coin" method is nice, but few will appreciate its ineffectiveness. Yeah, the rights of both parties matter, but again you're begging the question by assuming that the unborn baby is a person with said rights. You want to avoid that semantics issue, but ya can't. No one really can.
I'd just settle for <12-20 weeks = abortion zone.
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I just like the fact you used that phrase properly. Above average intellect Dramanaut.
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Papist agents have been dispatched to your location.
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But that's not true now. Ignoring abortions entirely, if a woman gets pregnant, carries the pregnancy to term, and gives birth to a healthy child, they're still allowed to just dump them at a safe harbor location and sever all ties.
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No one in the abortion debate actually gives a frick about convincing arguments.
It's why no one ever bothers with defining when exactly a fetus becomes a sentient human being: libs might as well say consciousness starts outside of the womb while rightoids pretend a zygote is somehow already a fully-fledged human being.
They're both ridiculous bullshit, and that's the point.
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Rightoids use both sentience and soul arguments so they complement each other
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Itβs the same logic used for eliminating r-slurred people
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I support stomping on babies unironicly. If they are ugly you just try again
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Cells don't trigger their sense of empathy, humanoid fetuses do. That's it.
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unironically the reason that you never hear a "save the amazon cockroaches" campaign, it's always cute animals.
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zoz
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blessed by zozbot
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zozbot is a servant of god π
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zozzle
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So do these "Christians" believe in a soul, or...
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It never even began for clumps of cells-cels
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Christcucks absolutlely BTFO
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She's not giving it up, she's killing it you fricking dweebs
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