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Darn I was gonna effortpost this but anyway here is the tldr breakdown from a foid(allegedly):
Also this:
Thicc necked b-words get it done:
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While I'm sure this show is indeed
I'm getting tired of hearing "ruined"
RUINED IT I SAY
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SOILED IT
SOILED IT
SOILED IT
SOILED IT
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What is there left to ruin? I finally said "Alright it's ruined" after Ahsoka used fricking space whales to get to another GALAXY and I quit watching on the spot. Even stopped borrowing a family member's D+ account. I just can't care about this anymore.
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Who was dumb enough to still have hope left for the franchise?
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that weird
progressive logic 
is so silly. like it's the same with maths, it's not invented it was discovered so calling numbers 
racist 
always seemed weird 
to me
the anakin shit is so weird
too. isnt the point 
of his arc that the fact he was created 
was a bad thing? that it essentially set him up in a position that gave him unrealistic expectations and turned him into a mass shooter 
chud
i hate star wars btw i just like the plinkett reviews and always felt the arc was interesting
on paper 
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What's the source for that lesbo porn. Its got to have better writing than Nu Star Wars.
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Lol reverse google search it. But here is something else.
https://x.com/Notdojaaa/status/1800600702525591924
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I was right. I'd rather watch this than Nu Star Wars.
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Compare that to the age of broadcast tv. Star Trek: The Next Generation for example.
And that was still considered a genre show that was not fully mainstream.
Kids these days don't understand just how fragmented audiences are compared to the old days. It used to be that if you wanted your TV show to even exist it had to appeal to literally millions of people. They were able to get way bigger audiences than when Disney tries to appeal to the mainstream. The difference is shows didn't suck butt back then.
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Something I've noticed about the d+ shows that I've actually watched is they're a fricking slog to get through. They seem to outline a story that should probably be a 90-120 minute movie and then stretch that to 7-8 hours over 8 episodes because they want it to be a show. Every episode is filled with minutes long shots of a character looking at an object or walking slowly from A to B. No dialogue or exposition, just blatant obvious padding.
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Redditors go on about how TV series are a better format to movies because it let's them tell more story as if the average script can be stretched out to 8 episodes. Nearly all TV was episodic for decades with actual storytelling left to cinema for a reason.
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Ive been rewatching "Scrubs" (
) and its crazy how much story they packed into just 20 minutes, and its not exactly a show with a dense plot (or much at all)
Also funny how quite a bit of the humor would just get you cancelled and called an alt-right chud nowadays.
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It seemed like half of the latest episode of The Acolyte was an establishing shot of the witches' fortress, which wasn't that interesting to look at.
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Also have the problem of "good luck knowing who some of these are if you didn't watch x amount of another show"
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Because they have no budget so they have to pad the entire narrative out with plot lines and characters that don't take a bunch of VFX but this never leads anywhere either.
This could work if the writers in charge knew what they were doing but the entire writing room is a usual millennial mess so the overall story just comes across as disjointed and clunky.
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180 million for 8 episodes. This show is crazy expensive.
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DS9 only watchable Trekshit.
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Nah. All star trek is soy. Period.
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!trekkies get him
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Cute twink redditor moment
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cute twink redditor hands typed this comment ^
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Scratch any rdramatard and a cute twink redditor bleeds
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Okay, you're free to have your wrong opinion.
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Haven't the differences in medium enabled different marketing strategies to ensure profitability (in at least some cases) though? You don't need 30 million viewers if the 11 million that will spend money on merch are still there, and on e.g. YouTube you can run much more targeted ad campaigns.
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Yeah, it's great for lots of media. But shouldn't Star Wars still be able to attract that mass audience? It seems like now it's becoming a niche product for a certain kind of nerd.
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I don't think there's a single star wars fan under the age of 18 now, and the original goyslop consoomer Gen Xers and Millenials that bought the slop during the 00s have aged out of it for the most part.
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Baby Yoda fans lol
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They're women and over 40
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IDK what the numbers for Disney+ in comparison to other shows are but despite a majority of the post-OT movies being garbage people still went to see them. And that's not touching on the merch, which is inevitably the real cash cow.
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They arent making money on merch anymore. They lose money on merch and the movies to the point they havent even made back the money it cost them to buy starwars and its been almost 10 years. Kids dont play with toys now and they lost a lot of the adults who would buy toys. You can usually find star wars stuff at discount stores like Ollies for 80% off about a month after it comes out.
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Ummm... Source??
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Source on the toys thing? I sometimes use the more monsterous ones to kitbash tabletop figures.
2018 https://fortune.com/2018/01/18/with-star-wars-toys-the-force-is-strong-but-retail-sales-arent/
2022 https://thatparkplace.com/exclusive-expert-toy-industry-insider-reveals-marvel-and-star-wars-merch-struggles/
Source on the no money making thing?
https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2024-04-15-has-disney-made-any-actual-profit-with-star-wars-since-2012/#:~:text=And%20while%20Disney%20will%20make,in%20China%20even%20just%2020%25.&text=So%20total%20profit%20for%20all,little%20less%20than%20%241.2%20billion.
kind of tldr version:
Disney bought star wars for $4 billion.
And these numbers are being super generous.
Movies: $700 million
Home media: $500 million
Merch: $2.2 billion
Games: $1.1 billion
Total profit: $4.5 billion
And Disney+ has not earned a single dime ever since it was launched and instead is a massive multibillion dollar money sinkhole. I think around late 2023/early 2024 is when it just started making somewhat of a profit.
The Acolyte has a production budget of $180 million(again doesn't include marketing budget)
-4 billion + 4.5 billion - 1.4 billion - 180 million = -1.08 billion
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Ummm sweaty... Im not gonna read all that...
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No sauce. Only lies.
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The kind that isn't a nerd, only instead of appealing to general audiences as the originals did, it has pivoted to wokescolds?
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And people who think collecting action figures is an appropriate activity for adults.
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Not only that, but those “11 MILLION VIEWS” numbers are probably based on purely on technicalities, like if you watch one minute of the show and turned it off for being poopoo, they'd still chalk that up as a view to brag to the media and shareholders
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That's the thing with a global streaming service - they can put on the most brain dead slop and still yield millions and millions of viewers and call it a success. That's pretty much the deal with the new SW, enough people in china watch it because it has vroom-vroom shiny laser swords in it - who gives a shit about plot lines and coherent stories?
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11million watched the 2 episode premier, idk how that breaks down per episode. Also it's the fricking premier of course people watch it.
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yet D+ still cant turn a profit
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I don't know where does this energy to care and be overdramatic (terrorism lol) come from. TFA, the first Disney StarWars film that was mediocre to bad shat all over the original trilogy, and that was almost 10 years ago.
StarWars is long dead and I don't care, I keep up with it just because I find the new slop failing funny.
There is no way they are making any money off of it anyway.
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Anyone that didn't drop star wars after the first line of tfa opening crawl deserves the trash they get.
Stopping caring about star wars thanks too the prequels could be acceptable too, but unlike Disney slop they at least spawned some enjoyable stuff for both kids and adults while not invalidating the ot or forcing 6 billion nonsense retcons.
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Star wars as good story was dead after prequel trilogy. But at least George had the foresight of making interesting world building which spawned shit ton of good spin-off media.
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Spin-off media that Disney killed the second they bought the franchise.
Which always seemed so brain dead. The EU content had an inbuilt audience (in the already content hungry Star Wars fandom) and stories they could draw from for at least a decade and they were like 'lol nah, that's not cannon. Our new sequel trilogy is the only new content'.
And the rest is history.
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From Disney's perspective the star wars EU "fandom" may as well have not existed. It was the same size/meaning as the dungeons and dragons novels fandom. Fifty nerds buying laughably bad genre books are not the sort of audience a company the size of Disney cares about, so the EU was just an appendix to be snipped clean
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But then they got hacks like Chuck Wendig to write new Star Wars books. They have every appearance of thinking that Star Wars was a pile of shit, but popular shit, so they didn't have to care about what fans wanted or what story they were trying to tell because they expected the fanboys to mindlessly consoom.
Which many of them did, but with each subpar release they lost more and more fans as they reached their limit on how crap content they could tolerate. So now they're like US comics, hiring people to intentionally antagonise the existing fanbase they don't like. While trying to replace it with the alleged millions of women and queers who totally would have been fans if only they'd felt represented, and not been driven away by the scary altright chuds.
Basically, the people in charge now always thought Star Wars was bad, so they never felt any need to make their new products appealing to the existing audience.
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tbf it always was
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True, but they treated it as a chance to make their audience eat the diversity slop rather than thinking that the final product should have any value outside of that. A better idea would have but been to intentionally make it lame and gay.
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It might have been a copyright issue. Far from all the EU stuff was purely LucasArts, I imagine, so just buying LucasArts wouldnt necessarily mean they got to use all that content themselves, or they would have had to pay royalties out their butt to do so.
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"Oh yeah there was only a single battle of any importance after Endor and then all the Empire just fricking left...also all the jedi are dead."
If JJ wasn't such a confirmed hack on the star trek front as well I'd be convinced he was a secret trekkie that hated how big starwars got. I STILL think that about Rian Johnson because I've never met a single soul that liked that movie that wasn't a brain diseased trekkie or a woman who wanted to frick Angst Vader.
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Have they tried making better shows?
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They don't seem to want to. My understanding is Andor and the start of The Mandalorian were good, and the rest has been forgettable-to-dreadful.
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The original trilogy had a planet
of teddy 
bears defeat 
a galactic empire. When was this franchise ever good?
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you are right every man just had too punch 5 grizzly's in the face how hard can that be.
this post rests on native land
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Idk lets ask women who theyd rather get punched by
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It was never good, but it used to at least be fun
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Lusting over a dead person.
Straggots are the most vile creatures on this planet.
please consider conversion therapy
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Lusting over a corpse = bad.
Lusting over a person in media from when they were alive = fine. I hate wouldposting and even I think there's no problem there.
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No, both is equally bad when you're straight.
@GayRayniumDonGER love sucking peepee of corpses
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That makes me wonder if there is AI porn of her yet
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My coworker has been sucking off the new show at work. Annoying
he has the lowest standards lol
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I've noticed a lot more subhuman morons at work praising slop and trash from Netflix and other shit - these peeps i know to be to be absolutely not wingcucked, they don't have a political thought outside of voting in elections and certainly don't have woke moralities
Instead they genuinely sincerely just have fricking low standards and little capacity to distinguish between quality and subpar quality, like not between subjective taste where peeps can have wildly divergent top 10 lists or whatever, but an absolute incapacity due to their subhuman nature to actually grasp the differences between quality
Like you can have people not like Godfather, cuz they don't like violence, maybe even the odd guy sincerely liking LOTR at all cuz they just really hate fantasy
But what I'm talking about are these popcorn-guzzling slopeaters who would rate the Human-centipede equivalent to fricking Godfather, or think the fricking BloodRayne movies are good just because they liked it!
Like i don't have a single musical aptitude in my body - my family would discuss this Mama Mia theater show and how certain singers were off-beat and discuss the notes of the band, and I would have no proper idea what was being said.
Like I have no aptitude to grasp when opera singers do decently versus doing spectacularly, some subhumans just are not capable of judging even comparative quality of TV shows or movies
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If only you could put that energy into your relationships
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Kill him
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guy who's seen spiderverse 50 times and quotes queen
lyrics in /r/pics comments sections doesnt like the cool kids!
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I am racist/misogynist/homophobic/etc and I say all these shows are bad
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Alternative comment: Real recognizes real
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Disney+ is just the modern equivalent of the direct-to-home-video slop Disney used to produce in the 90s and 2000s except they've broadened the scope of what slop they're able to peddle via all of the acquisitions.
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And they use it as an excuse not to release them to purchase anymore, expecting you to permanently lease them through streaming and put up with any changes and censorship they may decide to impose after.
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Pretty sure there was a report not that long ago saying they haven't really seen profit from it. Then there Is the viewership for their Disney+ slop consistently getting lower.
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they could have just made a decent trilogoy, that Mandolorian show (baby yoda), and maybe a couple other things and they would have killed it. Now they put out all this crap I cant even keep track of
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It Is only getting too get worse when one of the guys in charge Is obsessed with forcing His ocs in everything. One of those ocs is unironically His waifu.
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Which character?
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Ahsoka
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lmao getting mad at ur own chud award
and trying to gotcha it is peak chud
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Anakin's tight young apprentice.
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I'm not gonna google this
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Even if they're making money on paper, the Star Wars brand used to be worth God knows how many billions of dollars. Like when the prequels came out, no matter how bad they were everyone watched them because they were Star Wars. During the time Disney has owned it they've wiped out that goodwill from the audience, and it shows as this stuff gradually declines in ratings.
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You don't exactly need to be a brilliant economist to figure this one out. Disney bought Star Wars for USD 4 billion in 2012. If they had instead bought some ETFs, that would be worth >20 billion today. In order to have not lost money, they need to have made a profit (not revenue) of 16 billion. There's no way they're anywhere close to that, considering how expensive their movies and series have been and how few of them were profitable.
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You don't compare it to the market you compare it to the rest of their offerings. Disney profited greatly from Lucasfilms. ROIC of around 3x, equating to $8B-$10B ish of profits on that purchase. There's not much they could have spent money on at the time that made similars returns (other than Marvel which they were spending as much on as possible). And this is after they botched the whole thing.
Star Wars was such a ridiculously profitable purchase that it's insane it got sold at that price at all.
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If everything Disney does underperforms the market isn't that still terrible? I doubt shareholders would be mollified by "Like yeah sure instead of buying Star Wars we could have just sat on the money and collected interest and we'd all be better off, but in our defense Star Wars lost us less money than Disney+ has"
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Fincel nonsense required to explain more but no, it's about outperforming your niche and Disney outperformed their niche and kept up with the greater market (5x returns from 2012-2021, they fell apart after, still up 2x though). They were a great buy in 2012 following the acquisition and an amazing buy in 2011 before the acquisition.
You can't just sit on money and collect interest unless you're buying treasury stock (generally considered to be riskless), and that was returning like 0-1% annually for the decade following Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilms.
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there's no growth making shows for moids, foids are the future sweetie
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Star Wars is ruined. All the characters that were once cool are now justlame.
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"The entire entertainment industry seems to just be 'little girl makes her older brother's G.I. Joes wear dresses and have tea parties solely to make him mad.'"
-Some dude from somewhere I don't remember
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I don't care about Star Wars shit but since all the Disney shit and from hearing about it I have had no desire to revisit the original movies from the 70s at all nor show them to my nieces. I think any and all appreciation of them as contemporary fantasy films has somehow been tainted by everything Disney has done without even engaging in any of it
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I read something just recently about how much Jew Hollywood hated George Lucas. He was an outsider and apparently him working so closely with the guy who wrote the Hero's Journey that Star Wars used is some super Jew hating chud.
Doesn't make a lot of sense considering how many successful franchises Lucas went in to make and how closely he worked with Spielberg but remember at the end of the day Jews love money more than they hate yt people I guess.
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I heard he was hated by his also rich neighbors because — I don't remember the exact story — but it was something like he owned a fancy mansion plus land but he sold much of the extra land so a more regular neighborhood could be built.
And obviously the nearby mansion nimbys hated that
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Huh... at the end of the day maybe George was a half decent guy I've never heard anything scummy about him.
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That's why Hollywood hates him
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i remember breadtuber maggie mae fish is a disney
starshitter who hates the heroes journey guy solely because people use it not being in the sequels to criticize rey for being a mary sue
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lol, no they aren't. What delusional cope is this bullshit?
it apparently cost 25 million per episode of she hulk which is an abomination unto all humanity. Meanwhile godzilla minus 1 supposedly cost only 11 million and everyone loved it. Disney is laundering money/burning it in dumpsters and you can't convince me otherwise.
Yes, the parks are staying profitable but I highly doubt anything else is. They're merchandising is shit and their media is even bigger shit.
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Snapshots:
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"Disney basically said frick you to the original fanbase. They're still printing money so they don't care. They can spin the bad press as racist incels but the truth is disney pumps out garbage these days and the super fans will eat it up no matter what. Any smart fan moved on from Star Wars and Disney years ago.":
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"Star Wars is far more concerned with checking off every progressive check box that they're giving projects to people under qualified to make good content.":
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"studios realized that they can shield against negative criticism by insinuating that all their detractors are racist/misogynist/homophobic/etc.":
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Its just prequel zoomers crying that their kid darth vader isn't special any more.
The series was already ruined beyond repair by the prequels, everything else is more of the same.
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SRDines cant admit Nu Star Wars in shit.
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Why are 60-70 years old "men" whining about sci-fi on social media ?
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HOLY FRICK THEY BROUGHT BACK GLUP SHITTO
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the venn diagram
of "i hate the canon" writers and writers relying on old canon is a circle 
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