TL;DR: Holes bad, they need reform or it may lead to bad consequences for rdrama.
As a former advocate of holes, I have come to realize that carp was right about holes. All they have done is enable more seriousposting on both the main feed and in holes, make the content on this site worse, and made this site more boring.
That doesn't mean we should discontinue holes, because it's too late for that, but there needs to be reform. However, many of these reforma shouldn't happen until the site has a bigger userbase because implementing these reforms too early leads to fragmentation and the premature death of this website. Here are the reforms:
Make some holes permanent and create new ones for dramatic content
These changes shouldn't be implemented until the userbase grows to about 30000-50000. To make everyone happy and allow people to block drama they don't like, there would be permanent drama holes that wouldn't be hidden from the frontpage and dedicated to specific topics. They may include:
slackernews (tech drama)
peakpoors (poor drama)
fatpeoplehate (fat drama)
yiffinhell (furry drama)
chudrama (chud containment zone like it is already)
slavshit (russia-ukraine war drama+containment zone for warposters)
vidya (video game drama)
toomanyxchromosomes (foid drama)
gaybros (gay drama)
museumofrdrama (historic rdrama and /r/drama drama)
kino (movie drama)
meta (meta drama and meta posts, and may or may not be a hidden hole)
future holes to be created for trans, international (/h/Singapore and /h/bharat could be international drama holes), lgbt, finance (wallstreetbets?), bardfinn, politics (revival of /r/politicope), pibbles, sportsball, anime, hollywood and celebrities, incels (braincels?), music drama, and any dramatic topics that become popular in the future.
The main feed would still exist for drama that does not fit to a specific hole or for clueless r-slurs that don't know where to post the drama.
Then there would offtopic holes that are hidden by default to discourage seriousposting. They may include:
random
anime
space
mnn
schizocel (groomercordcel containment zone)
music
dino
foid
sports
proana
food
Other off-topic holes that can be created in the near future that dramatards may want
/h/marsey and /h/wallstreetbets would be exceptions for not being hidden by default.
House holes would be viewable to house members only. They would include:
vampire
racist
femboy
furry
(You will never be a real house house edgy)
Remaining holes would be legacy holes, which is the current holes system and still would cost 50000. They are still subject to the 7 day deletion and can become permanent holes under admin approval. This may be discontinued at any time.
There, potential reform ideas that may make holes better or worse. Or we can just kill it and have a day of seething, idk. But even I have grown to hate the current holes system and there needs to be change or reform.
Thank you for reading my r-slurred essay.
.webp?h=8 "Merry Fistmas!")
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My main issue with holes is that they dont feel like contained "spaces" like reddit ones do. That's probably due to the small size of the userbase. It's easier/more prudent to browse the main page than to "go to slackernews" because its slow enough that any post from slackernews is on the main page anyway.
I like the permanent hole idea but you are right that the site is too small to need to worry about the state of holes right now anyway.
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Holes do a fine job of keeping posts from non-drama topics in the same place. No need to touch them now
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Not really lmao
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at least i don't see slavshit on my main feed, thats good enough for me
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Occasionally I see slavshit on the main feed
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but i think posts in holes get less engagement and votes so they tend to drop off the main feed quickly.. i have noticed this for /h/singapore posts.. so yes i do see slavshit but it's maybe after 50+ other posts
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Depends on the hole. Some are boosted
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Block
It
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I already block slavshit cute twink
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Not reading this post, you’re just sucking up to carp
Interesting how you left out the gay hole for gay drama, homophobia is clear in this post
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no holes should exist
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What about breathing holes
Unironically though ping groups have basically solved the issues holes fixed but better
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I like having the museum hole and the slackernews hole. The museum hole contains recaps of all our greatest hits, so it's good reading material for new users. And Slacker News is the only place I know that trolls the orange site.
The rest of the holes are useless.
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Except five.
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But we already are one?
!downmarseyrs, stop this disinformation-spreader!
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I think at this point, I'm second only to August with how many times I've been bitten.
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I’m approaching 100 bites
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I would if I didn’t hate the idea of house edgy
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We'll also get an AIDS award that exclusively bans House Femboy members.
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Sure, in this fantasy world that’ll never happen you can have whatever you want sweaty
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I will reform your guts
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I use random to post low effort nonsense I find amusing knowing that the many lowiq people of this site will probably find it amusing too so maybe keep that one visible.
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The reform should be the immediate mocking, shunning and banning of anyone who asks "Where's the drama?" on an otherwise interesting post.
It is the fault of the perpetual complainers that holes exist.
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Example?
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I've got examples of people saying "Where's the drama?" even when I have posted it in holes. Can't find it though. Busy.
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Ok
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isn't that kinda edgy?
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I’ve got a hole you’re gonna reform.
(It’s in my backyard.)
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You sound gay lol. This post gay lol
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K
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Random is for memes
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Oh boy it’s time for the fifteenth site meltdown over holes
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Over /h/edgy, its creation is what finally broke most (low-quality) users' backs.
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Wrong
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cope
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And I keep seeing the same 50 or so people.
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I always thought holes were useless and didn't change anything to the site personally.
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Also the codebase is one pull request away from having House Edgy mechanical implementation, you shouldn't get ahead of yourself.
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cope
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If the furry hole didn't exist I would just spam furry porn to the main feed
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R*pe
Snapshots:
/r/drama:
undelete.pullpush.io
archive.org
ghostarchive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
/r/politicope:
undelete.pullpush.io
archive.org
ghostarchive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
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Gay
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no /h/corn, my favorite hole
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EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT
MAN WHO FLOODS RDRAMA WITH HOLE POSTS DOESN"T WANT HOLES
HE WANTS TO FLOOD THE MAIN STREAM TO GET MORE ATTENTION
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Wrong
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all posts to all holes should be posted to the main feed unless you have that hole blocked until the site at least doubles in size.
Putting the
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Still funny no one has run any fundraiser lmao but I think only 3 of us were really keeping it alive
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