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What happened to the foundries they were building? Big floppa?
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!chuds
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Prease no eating Cheetohs on the production froor RaTanya. The fravor dust ruining the chips.
I'm on my break!!
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more than like just the dei stuff, and other conditions too and thats the tea, sis
also like a bunch of environmental crap, and the phrase environmental justice used a lot
literally, using local union commie labour
i feel like like only using american goods
make too much money??? percentage of that will be clawed back and thats the tea, sis
ok so no stock buybacks because theyre a hot topic at the moment
also like various childcare promises
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@MARFAN_EATS_DOODOO thought the clawbacks were specifically about working with China.
Darn this sucks. @MARFAN_EATS_DOODOO is gonna blame Jewish Lives Matter
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ur right. i was using clawback the normal way. forgot the term was actually used in it
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Modern day government can't even subsidize correctly. !neolibs, what went wrong??
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The problem is that the subsidies have dumb constraints (labor stuff) that undermine their supposed primary goal (building fabs).
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It was a rhetorical question, but I gave you an upmarsey for effort.
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Darn. Imagine needing to kidnap black engineers because there literally aren't enough to match the DEI initiative
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Brehs...
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Taiwan is only 24 million people. We could move them all to the U.S. in a few years, no big deal.
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Let's just offer taiwan statehood, unlike canada it'd probably be good for the US too
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TSMC are building their foundries next door and poaching all the competent engineers from Intel.
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Shit takes time, but currently they are outsourcing manufacturing of their upcoming chips because they wouldn't have a competitive product if they made it in house
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Fake news
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that wsbcel who put their life saving in it
/u/Sad_Nefariousness10 give us an update
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Chickenshit 'line went down' class action lawsuit
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Is that why that dude was bibleposting?
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Pat is a major Christcuck.
I went to his big-butt house once. It has a wine cellar and its empty except for a few Martinelli Sparkling Apple Cider bottles.
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I'm pretty sure he keeps the dead rentboys in his separate garage that he wouldn't let me in.
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wtf who are you
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Not an employee at Intel or VMWare because Pat only said "God will provide" when I asked for an easy do-nothing nepo-job.
I KNOW INTEL HAS DO-NOTHING NEPO-JOBS PAT
GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Why would huwite god fearing man give a nepo job to a Korean?
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I am in his semi-conductor walls as we speak.
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Should've posted the Talmud instead, that's better for winning court cases
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!codecels
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Why is suddenly everyone mad at intel? every time i try to figure it out I get extremely bored and click out
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They made a thing that don't work and now they are gonna DIE
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but like was it SUUUPER bad? How bad could it actually be? Its not like every batch of Iphones ever has been perfect and apple seems doing great
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Oh it's bad. It's their big flagship model and they are all flawed. It's like if every iPhone was completely flawed in this way and there was nothing you could do
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So they sold a ton of it? And it's not easily fixable? Like, it sounds to me as if this should not be that big of a deal. Just fix it, r-slurs
I guess the answer is not and thats why everyone is mad
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No they literally can't without making them slower from what I can tell
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Imagine selling a car knowing they would all break down in the street due to critical engine failure. Not if, when. All because yours wasn't fast enough.
There is no "fixing" it because you need a car to do fricking everything. Intel sat on their asses for 20 years while competition caught up. In an industry where innovation is fricking impossible unless you're a multibillion dollar company.
They fricked over customers, investors, business partners. Then lied about the problem for 2 years. If you were giving millions to Intel before you'd be fricking regarded to do so now. The trust is fricking gone.
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!commenters I have solved it thanks to all of you. Now I understand c:
And are the other processor companies like still getting better speed? did they really go full r-slur or is this an industry wide problem?
What should we buy now??
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Intel makes both the plans to design CPUs and owns their "chip fabrication plant" or "fab" for short.
On the other side of the world there's a Taiwanese company called TSMC that makes the majority of "high performance" CPUs.
This TSMC company only owns the "fabs" and builds basically every competitive CPU that's not intel.
Companies like AMD, Nvidia or Apple gives TSMC their CPUs plans and pays them billions to build in their top tier fabs.
The only other competitive company is Samsung but they're kind of in third place.
This is why the US government recently gave billions to Intel and TSMC to build here. They want to get manufacturing out of Taiwan (you know, the company off the coast of China ) and keep these fabs out of "invasion" range.
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Their 13th and 14th gen cpus had basically 50% of the batches be time bombs which will fail in a few years. Servers we're going blowing through cpus in less then a year which is basically unheard of.
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mmm i guess the servers part got people mad, cause I remember Samsung phones LITERALLY EXPLODED and they cool
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Imagine if every bussiness that bought a samsung for their workers had them blow up in a month.
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ohhhhh now Im getting it. Literally like coordinated to fail. Are there schizo theories about it?
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Not really coordinated. Chips are made from a die, so if you have an issue with a die then the whole series will carry that issue
Every chip has imperfections, they make an entire CPU series and then downclock the more imperfect ones, the good ones are sold as the flagship line
They probably underestimated how big an issue this would be, and you cant just remake the die because it's fantastically expensive
Reducing the voltage would reduce the performance so the best they can offer is turning your premium chip into a shite one that wont do its job
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Speculation video - https://rdrama.net/h/slackernews/post/285597/intel-issue-might-be-a-fabrication
Intel statement - https://rdrama.net/h/slackernews/post/286325/intel-claims-its-a-voltage-issue
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To offer a simpler explanation, they didn't do it on purpose BUT they never issued a recall or any kind of warning when they realized half of the high end chips they sold over a 2 year period were faulty.
And when the evidence started piling up that the chips were, y'know, faulty, they went into full denial/downplay/coverup mode. The estimated failure rates were initially 5% when the story broke and are now at 30%+. They presumably know roughly the actual number of faulty units themselves but have refused to release any info (which means it's potentially an even higher %).
It took months of media bashing to get them to offer an extended warranty and there is still no recall.
Luckily for me the last high end intel CPU I purchased was from the year before this started happening
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I had to drop my multiplier from 55x (the factory default, what it ships with) down to 53x.
If I didn't do this, certain games like Satisfactory would crash when loading a saved game.
Not the end of the world but still really frustrating. I probably won't buy from them again.
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The people posting of their bad batches of CPU is somewhat true, but the bigger issue for investors is them posting absolutely terrible numbers at the earnings last week.
It's one thing if you make a bad product but still make good money and hit targets - they're failing to make money and to hit targets (i.e. they can't make their CPUs faster).
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Ohhhh that's another part of the puzzle. But like, have they really reached the limit on their CPUs? (within reason) Is that why eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveryone talks about AMD and Apple processors?
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They haven't hit any hard limit or anything yet, they're just being really shit at making new CPUs lol
Speculation by a lot of nerds is they simply have rotten from the top down and now it's full of suits and the engineers are basically absent from leadership. The engineers also probably left because Intel never paid very competitive wages, that's something you hear often about the company culture.
If you read my other comment I just made, Apple and AMD take advantage of the fact they can ride on the coattails of TSMC's development and don't have to be in the fab business themselves.
In fact, with multiple companies giving money to TSMC they end up polling even more resources to fund TSMC R&D...
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Please do keep us updated with this it's super neurodivergent but also rlly interesting, specially if we do end up going to war for taiwan which seems more likely every day
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Apple's cpus use a different architecture called ARM which offers better performance per watt meaning it draws less battery with high performance. The major hurdle for ARM was that most programs are built to run on Intel's architecture however Apple has experience moving to different CPU architecture s (they moved from IBM's PowerPC to Intel in the past) and also is willing to hold the line with controversial design decisions (not all of which are successful see the one button mouse) which force competitors to play catchup.
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Also apple doesn't give a frick right? they just do shit and people will follow them. That's also an advantage I guess (edit I think thats what the latter part of your comment means ) .
Is it possible all PCs would move to ARM?
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Windows survives through intertia. Momentum enough to move to arm would kill Widows.
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2 products lines seppuku themselves after a while.
People dont like it when expensive thing they bought literally melts itself from every day regular use.
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and they were for servers? or normal pcs?
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Both, which is why Intel is in complete meltdown mode. Because of said meltdown mode on its products
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Both it was the entire 13th and 14th gen lines. Servers just had the failure happen first since they use the cpus kore heavily but they will all degrade
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Was it i5s as well? Thought they weren't affected
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Lost all faith in intel when I went to their site to download drivers and had some page come up about how important pronouns were to intel
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I'm still mad at intel for abandoning driver support for the i7-8705G
Although in that case it's unclear whether they or AMD are more at fault. Probably intel though.
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Huh I didn't know that shipped.
What do you mean "abandoning" driver support? Does it not function?
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It shipped (I used to own a [redacted device containing the chip]) with okay drivers and every subsequent update made game performance slower. The only way to play (some) games at anywhere near the settings that you should be able to given the card's specs, is to rollback drivers. Which is not easy, given that they were (iirc) usually bundled thru intel's driver site with drivers for the intel GPU (HD graphics 630 or whatever) that is ALSO present on the chip.
And after you've successfully done that, now newer releases won't play because your drivers are too old.
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Could be the mitigations for Meltdown
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Did you try updating at the BIOS level?
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Pretty sure I did? This was long enough ago that I don't remember super clearly. There were reddit threads about this issue but I can't find them anymore and I can't tell whether it's google refusing to show them to me or because they were lost to one of the reddit api strikes.
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Intel removed a bunch of their own downloads for reasons
People in datahoarder archived them tho
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Means a windows update could come along and make your system shit slow and Intel would tell you to suck every peepee in your hemisphere.
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Get fricked Intel next is a class action by All the innocent people you've stalked and tortured
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AMD sisters, we're in.
It's still crazy how colossal their frick up was
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Thanks for the pin Aevann
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lol is that C++? Wait are you binding that with Python?! Imagine using those over Rust. As a proud Rustacean and Ferris the Crab adorer, I regret to inform you that your taste in languages sucks. This is sad. You can do better. You know how easy package and dependancy management is with Cargo? Not to mention you don't even need a Makefile. It's great. Dynamically typed languages need to die. There's no other option. They just do. If you like dynamic typing, you need some help. Seriously. By using a dynamically typed and interpreted language (which means its @#*!&!@ slow!!!), you are committing genocide and harming the environment more than gas cars. Rust is fast and uses clean, renewable energy through the magic of being a language compiled with LLVM. Tired of memory bugs? You should be. Shame on you for still having them when Rust exists. Tired of being bad? Time to go to Rust. Tired of being slow because you're not smart and your friends laugh at you? Rust is quite speedy indeed (all thanks to the big brain of the compiler). Tired of not getting off the normal way? Match statements, loops, and the compiler for Rust give the best orgasms 10/10 (completely legit). Not to mention the superiority you get to feel when you show off your superior Rust code to your inferior "friends" still using some other language. Want to get rid of malware? Rust is safe, therefore malware is noware (also completely legit). You quite honestly will forget about any other language (including English because it's slow and unsafe). You even get to add the Rust Book and its brothers to your Bible collection alongside the Arch and Gentoo Wikis. All hail Rust. TempleOS pales in religious comparison to the faith of Rustaceans. Graydon Hoare is Jesus. Amen.
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https://www.reuters.com/legal/intel-is-sued-by-shareholders-alleging-securities-fraud-2024-08-07/:
ghostarchive.org
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archive.ph (click to archive)
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