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Why is suddenly everyone mad at intel? every time i try to figure it out I get extremely bored and click out
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2 products lines seppuku themselves after a while.
People dont like it when expensive thing they bought literally melts itself from every day regular use.
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and they were for servers? or normal pcs?
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Both it was the entire 13th and 14th gen lines. Servers just had the failure happen first since they use the cpus kore heavily but they will all degrade
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Was it i5s as well? Thought they weren't affected
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Both, which is why Intel is in complete meltdown mode. Because of said meltdown mode on its products
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They made a thing that don't work and now they are gonna DIE
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but like was it SUUUPER bad? How bad could it actually be? Its not like every batch of Iphones ever has been perfect and apple seems doing great
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Oh it's bad. It's their big flagship model and they are all flawed. It's like if every iPhone was completely flawed in this way and there was nothing you could do
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So they sold a ton of it? And it's not easily fixable? Like, it sounds to me as if this should not be that big of a deal. Just fix it, r-slurs
I guess the answer is not and thats why everyone is mad
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No they literally can't without making them slower from what I can tell
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Imagine selling a car knowing they would all break down in the street due to critical engine failure. Not if, when. All because yours wasn't fast enough.
There is no "fixing" it because you need a car to do fricking everything. Intel sat on their asses for 20 years while competition caught up. In an industry where innovation is fricking impossible unless you're a multibillion dollar company.
They fricked over customers, investors, business partners. Then lied about the problem for 2 years. If you were giving millions to Intel before you'd be fricking regarded to do so now. The trust is fricking gone.
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!commenters I have solved it thanks to all of you. Now I understand c:
And are the other processor companies like still getting better speed? did they really go full r-slur or is this an industry wide problem?
What should we buy now??
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Intel makes both the plans to design CPUs and owns their "chip fabrication plant" or "fab" for short.
On the other side of the world there's a Taiwanese company called TSMC that makes the majority of "high performance" CPUs.
This TSMC company only owns the "fabs" and builds basically every competitive CPU that's not intel.
Companies like AMD, Nvidia or Apple gives TSMC their CPUs plans and pays them billions to build in their top tier fabs.
The only other competitive company is Samsung but they're kind of in third place.
This is why the US government recently gave billions to Intel and TSMC to build here. They want to get manufacturing out of Taiwan (you know, the company off the coast of China ) and keep these fabs out of "invasion" range.
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Their 13th and 14th gen cpus had basically 50% of the batches be time bombs which will fail in a few years. Servers we're going blowing through cpus in less then a year which is basically unheard of.
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mmm i guess the servers part got people mad, cause I remember Samsung phones LITERALLY EXPLODED and they cool
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Imagine if every bussiness that bought a samsung for their workers had them blow up in a month.
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ohhhhh now Im getting it. Literally like coordinated to fail. Are there schizo theories about it?
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Not really coordinated. Chips are made from a die, so if you have an issue with a die then the whole series will carry that issue
Every chip has imperfections, they make an entire CPU series and then downclock the more imperfect ones, the good ones are sold as the flagship line
They probably underestimated how big an issue this would be, and you cant just remake the die because it's fantastically expensive
Reducing the voltage would reduce the performance so the best they can offer is turning your premium chip into a shite one that wont do its job
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Speculation video - https://rdrama.net/h/slackernews/post/285597/intel-issue-might-be-a-fabrication
Intel statement - https://rdrama.net/h/slackernews/post/286325/intel-claims-its-a-voltage-issue
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To offer a simpler explanation, they didn't do it on purpose BUT they never issued a recall or any kind of warning when they realized half of the high end chips they sold over a 2 year period were faulty.
And when the evidence started piling up that the chips were, y'know, faulty, they went into full denial/downplay/coverup mode. The estimated failure rates were initially 5% when the story broke and are now at 30%+. They presumably know roughly the actual number of faulty units themselves but have refused to release any info (which means it's potentially an even higher %).
It took months of media bashing to get them to offer an extended warranty and there is still no recall.
Luckily for me the last high end intel CPU I purchased was from the year before this started happening
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I had to drop my multiplier from 55x (the factory default, what it ships with) down to 53x.
If I didn't do this, certain games like Satisfactory would crash when loading a saved game.
Not the end of the world but still really frustrating. I probably won't buy from them again.
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The people posting of their bad batches of CPU is somewhat true, but the bigger issue for investors is them posting absolutely terrible numbers at the earnings last week.
It's one thing if you make a bad product but still make good money and hit targets - they're failing to make money and to hit targets (i.e. they can't make their CPUs faster).
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Ohhhh that's another part of the puzzle. But like, have they really reached the limit on their CPUs? (within reason) Is that why eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveryone talks about AMD and Apple processors?
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They haven't hit any hard limit or anything yet, they're just being really shit at making new CPUs lol
Speculation by a lot of nerds is they simply have rotten from the top down and now it's full of suits and the engineers are basically absent from leadership. The engineers also probably left because Intel never paid very competitive wages, that's something you hear often about the company culture.
If you read my other comment I just made, Apple and AMD take advantage of the fact they can ride on the coattails of TSMC's development and don't have to be in the fab business themselves.
In fact, with multiple companies giving money to TSMC they end up polling even more resources to fund TSMC R&D...
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Please do keep us updated with this it's super neurodivergent but also rlly interesting, specially if we do end up going to war for taiwan which seems more likely every day
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Apple's cpus use a different architecture called ARM which offers better performance per watt meaning it draws less battery with high performance. The major hurdle for ARM was that most programs are built to run on Intel's architecture however Apple has experience moving to different CPU architecture s (they moved from IBM's PowerPC to Intel in the past) and also is willing to hold the line with controversial design decisions (not all of which are successful see the one button mouse) which force competitors to play catchup.
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Also apple doesn't give a frick right? they just do shit and people will follow them. That's also an advantage I guess (edit I think thats what the latter part of your comment means ) .
Is it possible all PCs would move to ARM?
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Windows survives through intertia. Momentum enough to move to arm would kill Widows.
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