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Calls for law to require 'clear yes' to s*x : unitedkingdom

https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1b7bpvc/im_asking_for_it_calls_for_law_to_require_clear/

								

								

Context: Dr. Charlotte Proudman is a gigafeminist known for her hot takes, including:

Today, she has launched a campaign to change the law so that moids have to prove a foid consented when defending an accusation of r*pe. In her own words:

It would put the onus on defendants to show how she consented, if she wanted to have s*x, if she was asked if she wanted to have s*x, what steps did she take to make sure that she was wanting to have s*x and was enthusiastic about it.

Proudman (who I have personally diagnosed as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder) decided to make herself the face of the campaign, producing this wonderful poster:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1709671829612153.webp

The slogan itself has become a point of contention:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096721270529974.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096721271223457.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096721271945784.webp

https://x.com/BiFelicia319/status/1765044078897471864

https://x.com/jessothomson/status/1765080110141722910

https://x.com/Daisy_J_S/status/1765096615352959472

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1709672280848292.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096722809274642.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096722810108292.webp

https://x.com/LizMaryWard/status/1765065360271888644

https://x.com/beesley_cathy/status/1765059359447330969

https://x.com/jessothomson/status/1765080110141722910

Selected comments:

This is obviously r-slurred, but naturally there are some male feminists arguing against their own self-interest :malefeminist:

Why do you think this switches the burden of proof to the accused?

Because that's literally what she said it does? :marseyshrug:


The criminalisation of basic human behaviour continues.

I'm 30, there are only a handful of times the woman actually said ‘let's have s*x'

Which 'basic human behaviour' are you referring to, coercing women into s*x?

:marseysnoo: That Redditor should be arrested for not getting the consent forms signed!


I feel that these sorts of things are proposed in bad faith to make feminists look ridiculous.

:marseygigaretard: Feminists would never say something completely r-slurred unless they were plants.

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Of course it will boil down to he said/she said, the same as all crimes without definitive evidence do. What this campaign is pushing for is defenses like "she was dressed like that" and "she didn't say no" not being enough to imply consent.

Yes because the court accepts those defenses all the time

It'll probably never be relevant to you, just sayin'.

he fact that you feel that suggesting that people seek affirmative consent for s*x is enough to cause "attacks" on the left deeply concerns me.

If you bothered to read the rest of the article though it'd explain why the current system is clearly not sufficient and why they want to move the onus on the male feminist rather than on the victim as it currently is. In simple terms it's not acceptable that victims can be accused of implicitly giving consent then needing to prove they didn't consent. A lot of your takes on this resort to reductio ad absurdum, such as implying that a couple trying for a kid would need to explicitly get consent every time. But the reality is that the vast majority of regular long-term couples would know how to communicate properly. What the campaign is really trying to do is reduce the massive number of male feminists getting away with it based on them assuming consent, not couples trying for a kid.

This is absolutely psychotic. Needing to prove something happened is the very bedrock of any legal battle

Even better /u/psychovagabond is defending trains and muslims in his post history

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