I don't think free will being an illusion has any bearing on anything. Whether things are deterministic or not our ability to exercise self control determines the outcome.
I think you fail to understand the concept. You still get to make all of your decisions in a deterministic universe, it's just that with sufficient knowledge those decisions can be predicted. They're still the thing you wanted.
Free will being an illusion means self control is an illusion meaning that the "just have self-control/discipline" is not actually just a choice you can wake up and make one day without outside factors helping you reach that conclusion, so statistically there will always be people with this problem and its part of the human condition
Why would controlling yourself require free will? I have a strong urge from one part of my brain to eat cake all day and never clean. Other parts of my brain practice discipline and use self talk to convince myself to act right. I regularly talk myself into running, lifting, eating healthy etc.
All of that could be deterministic, but it still happens.
The part you choose to follow would inherently be determinstic then, so you wouldnt be controlling anything, just getting the impression you are because it is an illusion.
One part of your brain was informed one way as a result of everything leading up to now, one part of your brain was informed another way as a results of everything leading up to now, whichever wins out is because it is the stronger part as a result of everything leading up to now. The feeling of choice is simply how your conciousness perceives this series of events, but the result was never going to be different.
This delusion is part of what allows us to reach higher plains of thinking than the rest of the animal kingdom, but it is a delusion nonetheless
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Fat people are hilarious, just eat a bit less and exercise a little and 10/10 times they would be healthier.
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In capitalist countries this is true for nearly every person in nearly every aspect of their life.
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Too bad free will is an illusion so most are destined to miss out anyways
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I don't think free will being an illusion has any bearing on anything. Whether things are deterministic or not our ability to exercise self control determines the outcome.
I think you fail to understand the concept. You still get to make all of your decisions in a deterministic universe, it's just that with sufficient knowledge those decisions can be predicted. They're still the thing you wanted.
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Free will being an illusion means self control is an illusion meaning that the "just have self-control/discipline" is not actually just a choice you can wake up and make one day without outside factors helping you reach that conclusion, so statistically there will always be people with this problem and its part of the human condition
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Absolutely dog shit r-slurred take. You don't even understand the basics of the argument we are having. Jesus Christ go talk to dumber people.
Chatgpt is like 90 iq and even it understands the concept. Jfc id rope.
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How can you control yourself without free will? Fricking dumbass theyre synonyms
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Why would controlling yourself require free will? I have a strong urge from one part of my brain to eat cake all day and never clean. Other parts of my brain practice discipline and use self talk to convince myself to act right. I regularly talk myself into running, lifting, eating healthy etc.
All of that could be deterministic, but it still happens.
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The part you choose to follow would inherently be determinstic then, so you wouldnt be controlling anything, just getting the impression you are because it is an illusion.
One part of your brain was informed one way as a result of everything leading up to now, one part of your brain was informed another way as a results of everything leading up to now, whichever wins out is because it is the stronger part as a result of everything leading up to now. The feeling of choice is simply how your conciousness perceives this series of events, but the result was never going to be different.
This delusion is part of what allows us to reach higher plains of thinking than the rest of the animal kingdom, but it is a delusion nonetheless
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