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Fun budget game made by two devs gets review :marseynostalgiacritic: bombed by soy neo-luddites mad that a tiny game didn't fork out thousands to shitty voice :marseyhelium: actors and used AI instead

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1636710/discussions/0/4302697675600994678/

Development respond:

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Reminder that Troy Baker etc still get plenty of work. It's people like this who are struggling:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1710260077451777.webp

This is an actual voice :marseyhelium: actor. Look at him- he deserves every bad thing that happens to him. Frick this guy.

For the record, I like this game. It combines flying :marseywitch3: a biplane with running :marseychaser: a microbrewery, allowing you to import your own bottle :marseyamazon: labels for beers, wines and spirits you then deliver all over the islands while avoiding air pirates. For twenty bucks it's great. The visuals are very pleasant :marseybeanrelieved: and it has lovely music. The AI voice :marseyhelium: work sounds fine and is a clear indication that using it works very well on small :marseytiny1: titles like this.

Bonus thread :marseystitch: about another indie game I like allegedly having AI art. OP gets big mad that this publicly posted thread :marseystitch: on a public forum gets comments from members of the public (who don't agree :marseyprotestyes: with him)...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1597310/discussions/0/3886099862947425508/

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If the Butlerian Jihad started now I'd side with the AI.

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AI is good since for example when was last time u could play a game with Hungarian voices ???

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Why would you wish that upon anyone?

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Voice actors really have gotten people to simp for them hard lately.

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The pinnacle of this stupidity was the Bayonetta lady who cried about only being offered like 100k for literally 4 days of voice acting and had everypony on her side for a few weeks. It's also similar too people siding with the poor starving indie devs at EA or whatever who, gasp, have too do dome overtime near release or those oppressed Hollywood actors who needed too strike for their right too a 5th mansion or the women's soccer team who no one watches and couldn't beat 8th grade boys getting paid less (by choice) than the men or - darn - there's too many examples. Why do wagies simp so hard for rich people??

trans lives matter

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Everyone :marseypearlclutch: because some office wagie has to work 60 hours a week for two weeks straight hunched over a keyboard making virtual goyslop

Meanwhile tradies are working 12 hour shifts 6-7 days a week for years on end (yes, really) trying out duct tape in the right spots to keep our :marseysociety2: society from literally crumbling and and no one gives a frick about us

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duct tape in the right spots to keep our :marseysociety2: society from literally crumbling

Im sure fixing Debra's leaky sink is the only thing between us and anarchy

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>Debra doesnt fricking stop nagging about the leaky sink

>Jim, her husbands, has had it, goes full Postal

>kills some BIPOC that becomes the next saint Floyd

>goon grabbers grab goons to prevent the next Jim from killing the next Saint Floyd

>boogaloo is a goo :marseyletsfuckinggo2:

José is all that stand between you and Bubba or Jamal raiding your suburbia and getting a piece of your bussy.

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This dude thinks Debra's being literal when she asks to have her sink fixed

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A leaky sink is the first step to anarchy. The dirtier and more broken things are, the continually worse people will behave.

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Yeah but you get paid OT and the goysloppers don't even do anything at work so they have plenty of time to cry on twitter

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I have worked a few 96 hour shifts. Literally like “go sleep four hours in the truck” and then you go work another 24.

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Tradies posting :marseyl:'s

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Yes but if the office wagies break production what use is your duck tape now? :marseyunabomber2:

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learn 2 code

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THE PINNACLE OF THIS STUPIDITY WAS THE BAYONETTA LADY WHO CRIED ABOUT ONLY BEING OFFERED LIKE 100K FOR LITERALLY 4 DAYS OF VOICE ACTING

Lazy poor (probably communist) doesn't understand the value of IP. Many such cases! :marseymanysuchcases:

!downmarseyrs !dramatards

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Right so they just swapped her out because the IP was more valuable than the VO lol.

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The voice itself is an IP too!

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https://media.giphy.com/media/hPPx8yk3Bmqys/giphy.webp

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IP is r-slurred :marseycrayoneater:


https://files.catbox.moe/ginbgb.jpg 学习雷锋好榜样忠于革命忠于党爱憎分明不忘本立场坚定斗志强立场坚定斗志强学习雷锋好榜样毛主席的教导记心上全心全意为人民共产主义品德多高尚共产主义品德多高尚

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Real G's ping the MAC-adress directly:marseyco#ol2:

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If i simp for the rich nepo-kids, maybe they will support my efforts to establish a McUnion and get paid like doctor for flipping burgers and forgetting the dessert?

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like g*mergate, i fell like there are two camps on the voice actress: the chud take, like this, the leftoid take, and the turth if probably somewhere in the middle

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Anime voice actors are the closest thing people can interact with to tell people they like an anime because they don't speak Jap. Which is strange, because you can easily talk to Japs in english and they'll get 80% of it.

Just type like an absolute racist which really helps the Japs because of Katakana is literally just speaking to Japs in English words in a racist accent. Japs are also giga-starved for positive words of affirmation that their woke foids are warning other Japs foids that words of affirmation is just like normal Western behavior and not super romantic.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/HS67FCWfOlMybIRv9c/giphy.webp

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17102717757871375.webp

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Unskilled people see themselves in voice actors. "dude just says words and gets paid? that's awesome!"

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Thats literally what voice acting is tbh

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Russian doing it for free

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are you a foid? how the heck did you get a hundred updoots for this comment?

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Because its a keen insight into the situation.

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can you pretend to be a foid?

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There are girls on this site. Tedsimp will even have s*x with you if you degrade her enough.

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R*pe

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R*pe indeed

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Voice actors are… dare I say it, more pretentious and useless then journ*lists.

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Like every entertainment position, they are at their best when you only pay attention to the performance. Once you witness them off the clock you will have your opinion of them drastically lowered

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All of them just need to be seen as what they are - court jesters. Appreciate their entertainment but still keep in mind they havent learned a proper job and dont dersve respect. Especially not when theyre not wearing their funny hat and entertaining the royal court

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Not possible. At least voice actors speak up with an actual human voice. Journos are spineless scum universally. At least the VA isn't demonstrably reptilian or something. No offense to reptiles love the little guys.

!animalposters I love reptiles

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Too late.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1710268396833138.webp

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Noooooo :marseydinosaur:

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:#dinover:

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:#chudsaurolophus:

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you better follow this up with some pics of cute reptiles or something

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I don't have any I just didn't want the reptiles to be offended by my comparison

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ok well you better go find some

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My fridge wasnt plugged in, thank you very much for the advice young man!

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Let's not be hyperbolic now.


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Journ*lists have their uses. Great kindling!

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There's this weird subset of g*mers/redditors who absolutely HATE any AI stuff in games and it boggles the mind. You'd think these r-slurs would like more content to consoooom?

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They are often art and humanities types who hate AI because it's corporate, soulless, and trained on other people's work, which are valid concerns for me.

However I think their hatred mainly comes because they are resentful of success and fearful of losing their job and jealous of STEMtards, which is very pathetic.

It's very knee jerk, some people I know were shook I brought up the possibility of AI being used creatively, they have an instinctive dislike of it.

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>art accessible to the common man

>freed from constraints in development or sophisticated unprofitable skill

>tool is free

Reddit: this is corporate and soulless

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Agree except for the soulless part

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Hmm, what is soul :marseycamus:

I think if you just give like Dall-e a prompt you generally get something soulless. That said I've seen 4chan anons or random youtuber make great little art things through clever prompting, or like having hitler sing coldplay songs about his failed dictatorship; definitely results that show the potential of this tool.

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Yeah I think on average and at baseline, you get something soulless (which is what most commercial "art" is anyway). But with enough prompting it is possible to get something meaningful. Like I don't think that AI is fundamentally incapable of creating meaningful art like some of the detractors seem to think

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Eh, disagree. You can get fairly good things with smart prompts, but good human made art still blows it out the water because every detail (can) be very intentional to create the desired effect. AI cant do that on its own because it doesnt truly understand the intention in a transformative, non-literal way, and if you describe the scene so detailed to get all of it just right, youve basically just drawn it yourself, if the ai can even deal with a prompt so complicated.

The reality is just that most art isnt very good and can be replaced with AI for absolutely no loss. But AI isnt going to create a Guernica or :marseysaturn: , especially not if it hasnt existed before.

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and trained on other people's work

So are artists. I'm currently dabbling a bit in After Effects. Guess what I'm currently doing - I google guides & examples and apply those things to my own projects. No artist is discovering color theory on their own. They get it taught. They get to imitate various styles & techniques other artists used before them. Do all the anime/moe artists figure that shit out on their own? No, they train to copy other people's work.

Btw this is how the entire world works.

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don't forget true schizo innovators like jinxthinker

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I agree, I learned how to draw through a combination of studying others' work and drilling technical stuff

That said I will give them the fact that a neural net can be calibrated to plagiarize an artist's style with little effort if you have a few samples of their work

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You cannot plagiarize an artist's style. Absolutely nothing stops me from telling you "Draw me X in the style of Franzetta" and you drawing that. A style is not something that is protected by anything in regards to copyright. It's similar to algorithms in programming - they are ideas, not implementations and thus not protected.

Small nitpick: You don't change the neural net, you change the model, but you are correct otherwise that it's not that hard.

That said I can understand that artists whose names are used in "in the style of X" are annoyed. But are their styles really that unique, that the only thing that makes people use them is the lack of being able to formulate the thing they want to see? This rings especially true when artists use different styles as well. Line art vs sketch art vs full cover stuff.

And lastly: artcels should be really careful what they wish for in their copyright discussion. Cause I see them using characters/races of protected IPs in their portfolio art quite often. "Hey, I made this drawing of Sylvanas Windrunner".

I also often wonder what artcels think about Stockart. I can get this nice image for $16 to use in my commercial product. Sure, it's not an exclusive license, but do I really care about that?

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This is one of the worst posts I have EVER seen. Delete it.

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If you don't want to be outcompeted by a corporate, soulless thing trained on other peoples work, stop making corporate, soulless, derivative art

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It really depends. Several months ago a mod for Mass Effect 3 was released that used an AI to mimic the original voice actress to add new dialogue for Jack that allowed her to be more present in the game. A few people were pissed about 'stealing work' from the voice actress, but the majority were supporting it because she wouldn't have done it anyway so it's fine because the mod maker was poor and couldn't afford to hire her in the first place.

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Right like 80% of the stuff being done with AI is people who would never pay for these artists now having access to art for their shit. 20% is corporations saving money. Neither of them are bad imo but #1 is especially good!

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A lot of them are temporarily embarrassed artists themselves that think they are one break away from working at a major studio when in reality their cap will be making $30 a month drawing hentai for Twitter commissions. Basically they are the bottom 80% of the trade and that's the area that Ai is going to replace, because every one of them frankly are easily replaceable.

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It combines flying :marseywitch3: a biplane with running :marseychaser: a microbrewery, allowing you to import your own bottle :marseyamazon: labels for beers, wines and spirits you then deliver all over the islands while avoiding air pirates.

is it like Dave the Diver but planes? sounds cool

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Yeah... basically it's the same idea. I hadn't thought :marseymindblown: of that.

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:marseysteer: :marsey911:

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The fat r-slur voice actor was the same one complaining about skyrim modders using ai in their mods is stealing work from him too. Like he thought there's a big market for amateur modders to drop a $1000 for to record an hour worth of lines apparently.

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Procedural generation is AI. All games with procedurally generated maps are stealing from hypothetical artists who could have designed a unique world.

Ban video games. Ban g*mers, keep yourself safe.

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Procedural generation is unironically butt in most contexts in twrms of gameplay

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Oblivion PERIODT

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The AI voices kinda sound like shit though. Voice actors should start selling AI packages so they dont even have to read lines.

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Those store pics look like shit, bloom and saturation cranked to 11 + vignetting. :marseyeyeroll:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17102609346620674.webp

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IDK why they put that filter on those pictures. The game has that cartoon :marseyuncleruckus: shaded look with very clear lines.

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I hope many people will use AI to produce creative things they otherwise could never afford.

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It combines flying :marseywitch3: a biplane with running :marseychaser: a microbrewery, allowing you to import your own bottle :marseyamazon: labels for beers, wines and spirits you then deliver all over the islands while avoiding air pirates.

This is the most soy thing I ever heard of. The devs deserve all the shit they're getting because this is the audience they pandered to and calling the review bombers soy while loving this game is some serious :marseynoyou: kinda shit

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For the record, I like this game. It combines flying :marseywitch3: a biplane with running :marseychaser: a microbrewery

Wait but I though microbreweries were soy? Why are chuds defending it?

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Microbreweries that make IPAs are soy, microbreweries that make literally anything else are based.

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dukes of hazard had a microbrewery. Nothing soy about that

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I'd say I'm a centrist on AI, so I'd like to know: were the voices jarringly bad or were they serviceable?

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They get the job done and voices were necessary for the game to work - try reading :marseymoreyouknow: text while flying :marseyeaglenuke: a biplane.

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The voice actor mafia is at it again.

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Indie devs of drama i will do voice acting for 50 usd per hour

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added to my wishlist. open world + RPG + planes sounds fun. plus, the devs say it works on steam deck which is how i'd play it.

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