https://x.com/pcgamer/status/1826643882467012943
Original Fallout co-creator Tim Cain says 'Critique of capitalism was never the point' of the games and if anything they're about how 'war is inevitable given basic human nature'. https://t.co/HMqJaDBX6z
— PC Gamer (@pcgamer) August 22, 2024
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how the heck was fallout critical of capitalism lmao?
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The part where basically every pre-war company turned into some evil caricature doing anything for their bottom line, from just selling trash to experimenting on humans and producing weapons which ended the world.
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Was there any of that in the first game tho? I can't remember, I haven't played it in this century.
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The Valut experiments and FEV but that was all the secert government aka the Enclave.
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Definitely was not in FO1.
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Well retroactively.
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Well let's make hanbok and cool hats cool retroactively.
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Did the Enclave exist at all in FO1? It's been a long time but I remember that being an FO2 innovation.
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In 2
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Yeah that's what I thought. I already considered it kind of cringe bad writing in 1998.
The bad guys are my strawman of stuff from the past that I'll never understand.
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1 and 2 had only bribes of pre-war texts.
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Germany destroys the world for a fourth time
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I'm a zillenial, so I couldn't tell you.
I need to play it sometime tbh.
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I picked it up on sale at Fry's. Believe it or not, you went to a store to buy a game on physical media in those days.
It would be a bit of an acquired taste for someone in your generation, but seriouspost: if you like Fallout or RPGs in general it's probably worth the learning curve. Combat is turn-based, very different from Bethesda Fallout, and tbqh not as good. But pretty much everything else is better. And you can lord it over your peers, pretending that they don't have media literacy because they haven't played it. And if you ever get permabanned from here they'll accept you at RPG Codex.
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Hey now, I started out with W95 and DOS games, you didn't have the clouds or steams or valves or whatever thingamajigs kids use these days either
Was just too preoccupied with car games to get in on RPGs and other classics I guess.
Fallout 1&2 is at the top of the list of stuff I'd wanna play through if I get a Steam Deck or something, seems like a perfect handheld game.
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I dunno about that. Unless they've totally redone the UI. It was very mouse oriented.
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The Deck has two trackpads, which I figure should work great for stuff like Fallout. If we're talking sticks only.. yeah prob not.
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Considering that siding with Gizmo gives you the good ending for Junktown I have no idea how people came to this conclusion lol
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4 and 76 went pretty heavy into the capitalism of the pre-war era, they made it a lot more heavy handed. They also changed Vault-Tec to be more of a critique of capitalism and less of academics, which was the original intention.
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The feeling I got in the pre-war was a world where people stopped giving a shit because everyone knew the bombs were coming. Companies dodn't worry about lawsuits because they weren't goimg to live to see next quarter.
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yeah they super villainized anything even remotely resembling a company or corporate. It was cartoon levels of stupid like well everyone's dead but our company will somehow make record profits!
I know they have ghouls in the universe but profits off whom exactly? lmao As usual it's braindead hollywood writers idea of capitalism instead of anything resembling reality.
They make a big deal about commies and how oppressed they are (super lmao) in the states but then by the end the most commie communist turns out to be the psychopath villain so idk what they meant by this tbh.
Show was ok, it got more praise than it deserved IMO it just ended up not being a total dumpster fire of an adaptation but clearing that low bar is enough these days.
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That's only the show and a little of F4; New Vegas featured the most corporate man to ever live as the hero of New Vegas.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying it's critical so much as it's a parody of political systems and culture.
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It was somewhat after fo3 with the ridiculous corpo stuff but early fallout satirized the commies (i.e. the Shi in San Francisco) as much as capitalists it just had more focus on America than China because of the locale.
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