It's always weird seeing seeing the takes of anti-g*mer gaters or progressives/liberals.
If I personally had made any sincere attempts to try and portray or dictate the events of GG neutrally, I'd attempt to recount that the initial events of the slut dev (forgot who) sleeping with reviewers for favourable reviews and preferential treatment.
By 2014 much of gaming had grown exponentially since 2004, blin terms of the amount of g*mers playing on earth, the size and scope and budgets of AAA publishers began to compete with Hollywood, and subsequently the opportunity for corruption along with it.
In South Africa, we had a magazine called NAG (New Age Gaming) which became the topmost gayming hardcopy magazine in the country ( and pretty much the entire Southern Africa)
For the entirety of my high school, NAG dominated and influenced gayming discussion, and the writers there were even names you'd recognize, perhaps less because of their quality and more so the poor and (technologically) behind nature of Safrica.
Yet by the time I graduated highschool in 2012, things would go bad for NAG, the internet and proliferation of independent websites and Content Creators, meant competition on a scale yet unheard of for journ*lism of all stripes
YouTube would balloon to become the premier video site on the planet, and every year internet πππ would become incrementally cheaper - to the point that fricking even the lowest poorest strata of society could afford/access the web from Phone plans/contracts
Thus the internet, and places which consumed large amounts of broadband, like YouTube, would become exponentially more accessible. This doesn't even talk of the proliferation of smartphones, and thus browsers into the hands of non PC tech nerds, as it was just 10 years earlier in 2004
As an example in 2012, when I began my studies at UCT, I was exposed to the shocking privilege of one whole fricking gigabyte of broadband per student! for non-university websites!!! The year before I had been still used to the moderate but expensive 650megabytes of internet at the expensive (for rural strags) R600 per month for our family computer π₯οΈπ», shared for the whole family house, and in which I had often gotten into massive trouble cuz I had used up the family broadband for gayming torrents before the end of the month
By 2014, the average student had uncapped WiFi at UCT, though at slow speed, and by 2020 fiber internet trails were being laid into the ground of every major city of the country.
I recall back even in highschool, there had become less and less trust towards the writers of NAG magazine, there had been internet mailed, which the editor actually was brave enough to post in the Letters-from-readers pages, to defend his team back in 2010, when had had been accused of giving large games (the concept of AAA wasn't something I was familiar with at the time) preferential treatment,
By giving soft criticisms towards obvious junk (slop), whilst lesser gaming studios or publishers never got the same treatment. Even IRL discussions for me in high school there were shockingly mature in hindsight suspicions of the now largest and most established journ*lists publishings on earth like IGN and Eurog*mer, having had a "grassroots conspiracy" of brining indepenant journ*lists with vouchers/trips/holidays with the unspoken understanding that unfavorable reviews would not result in repetition of these gifts or even review copies.
There was all sorts of logical (as well as batshit) theorising of whether journ*lism was being infected with corruption and financial conspiracy.
I'm going on this MASSIVE tangent to demonstrate to you guys, that even in 3rd-Worldistan of Safrica, even before fricking 2010, and even for the fricking local national magazine there had started the embers of suspicions for Gaming Journ*lism having a lack of integrity!!!!
Because we started noticing CODslop and other AAA publisher titles gaining collectively more obvious preferential treatment, even though as far as my memory served COD as a franchise was still good? For as long as till like the mid 2010s.
Point being there was a definite feeling of distrust brewing between ground level poorcel g*mers, even in backwards places. And this was a a distrust completely entangled with regards to Journ*lists-and-Publishsher parasitic financial relationships exclusively! The very notion of American culture war being infused with distrust towards journ*lists would not begin until way after 2014
On the other hand, vast majority of gaymers are sheep who literally seldom question reviewers, let alone read beyond the review score, or are such Uber normies, they literally walk into a brick and mortar gayming/tech store and buy the shiniest game on the shelf, without question βοΈ β and has probably never read a review in their life.
So it's always insane to me when Reddit types, you know the kind, the turbo wokescolds progressives, who deny that Wokeness is not even a real thing or even a definable concept, who go out of their way to oppose whaever the chud group opposes, the /r/gaming circlejerk types,
when Reddit types espouse that the very notion of Journ*lism being corrupt, or that there could ever have or has ever been an extreme lack of integrity from the gaming Journ*list Industry .
Look into the thread I linked, complete denial of the very existence of corruption of Journos, that @VFiddly cute twink states that all of what the initial G*merGate complained about never happened.....and wait what?
Like if you're the type of liberal like @QuadNarca here on rdrama.net, and you believe that GG pretty early got coopted by sexists and and fiends from the onset, I can agree with that. That the initial spurt of momentum of GG which was sparked by the slut Dev's bribery, and the subsequent conspiracy of the near entire Western Anglosphere journ*list industry simultaneously pushing out his pieces, all of that rendered irrelevant to the exposure of the ugly side of gaymers,
that would be a sensible and fair take. But to claim NONE of the initial G*merGate complaints of corruption in Journ*lism or the paracitical relationship of Publishers and Journ*lists was never warranting attention, is actual insanity. I'd even go as far as to say it's a pretty extreme stance.
Anyways none of that matters, Journ*lists literally wrote themselves out of relevance. Very few peeps have organizational or institutional trust in Gaming Journ*lists, or even the largest Gaming News online sites like IGN and Eurog*mer.
What was suspicions and a conspiracy theory about the lack of integrity of Journos, have become the literal norm for gaymers here in safrica, and I presume from the state of online discussions, the same can be said for the rest of the world.
I once came back to my home town in 2015 to look for the NAG magazine and could not find it at the magazine shelves in any shop. I would learn they had stopped printing by 2014, and had downsized to only a skeleton crew for the online articles.
YouTube by 2014 was large enough for independent personalities to make an audience, and I guess in the modern era, it's each g*mer strag's responsibility to find whatever reviewers you trust most, or whose taste most closely aligns with your own. Cuz, you sure as shit can't trust Gaymer Journos, the lowest form of Journos on earth.
As a bit of tiny good/neutral news NAG appears to still exist in Safrica, and makes a few articles every month, some of actually ok. It appears some of the survivors of 12 years ago managed to accumulate a small loyal following.
what do you Dramatards think?
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While I did not care for G*mergate when it happened, seeing how full of shit it's opposition is definitely radicalized me against journos, Wikipedia and SoyTubers. Most of G*mergate bad material does not address the complaints GGaters had, or simply dismisses them without elaboration.
Even if the movement quickly devolved into bunch of r-slurs screaming (it did), they were absolutely right about gaming "journ*lism". It's really fascinating that now everyone knows Game's Media is a joke, but anti-GG individuals are still adamant it was all about harassing women and literally nothing else.
I won't say it's surprising to me though, nuance is toxic for most politicspergs, and many g*mergaters rather not address r-sluration on their side either.
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That's my take too, I was busy studying during the height of the era, but I still able to glance about it, and the corruption of Gaming Journ*lism was a large step πͺ above even regular journ*lists.
At times I've even come to agree with the sentiment of wokes and liberals regarding the sexist or more filthy underbelly of gaming online culture, but it's sheer blanket total complete denial of the very existence of Journ*lism lack of integrity which always drives me away
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G*mers are subhuman but not for those reasons
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What then o lord
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Because they play video games.![:scoot: :scoot:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/scoot.webp)
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This response is trite and obvious. You've just been sidevoted.![:marseysmughipskorean: :marseysmughipskorean:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysmughipskorean.webp)
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I followed it somehwat closely, since it was interesting. Some dude dated an ewhore who cheated on him, he decided to delete himself and write a manifesto. Her game was only given attention because of whoring about. G*mergators were mostly r-slurred coming up with r-slurred conspiracies and moronic takes.
G*mergate would have blown over in a week. Nobody really deeply cared and there wasnt enough evidence to point to a broader media backchannels promoting the message. At least until every website and article started bashing g*mers 100% organically overnight. It was so obvious that it eroded trust in journ*lists entirely. They pretty much tanked their industry defending some stupid whore.
Unironically mainstream media did the same making shit up about trump and destroyed all the credibility for a couple of cheap hits.
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The original dude didn't kill himself, he simply exposed his girlfriend for cheating on him. Something women get "yass queened " for doing all the time but he was treated like a monster by the journos.
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didnt some other dude she accused of r*pe kill himself?
!chuds !g*mers
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Alec Holowka. They lived together for a bit and way after that went sour, Zoe Quin accused him of essentially keeping her prisoner and sexually abusing her (walking her around like a bowling ball). He killed himself a few days after as his shit indie dev co-workers (Night in the Woods) and his own FRICKING SISTER condemned him and backed Quinn.
However Quinn's story had holes including dates where either he or her were recorded as being elsewhere according to twitter etc.
Sad state of affairs and they all, especially his sister, deserve to rot.
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This is one of the sickest things I ever saw in my life. This poor stupid r-slur ended up where he was completely isolated from anybody who would actually give a shit about him. Even his c*nt sister told him to kill himself because that would help her climb up the social ladder like it's Mean Girls.
If you don't know what I mean, you never lived in a wingcucked state. There really are people like that.
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And laurie penny said it was a small price to pay
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Isn't she the one the that Ryan Gosling saved from being hit by a car and yet still hates men and thinks chivalry should die?
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idk
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Why would he kill himself instead of her?
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It's like the opposite of a moidmoment
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Alex Holowka night in the woods guy. He deserved it for making such a shitty game but his whole family after he died spent his euology talking her up as brave for killing him
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Oh shit i didnt realize the manifesto guy (eron) was still alive while some other dude suicided
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Holovka kept himself safe years after GG, and that was due to Quinn's accusations that were never proven.
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his family sided with his tormentor after his suicide lol.
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It's one of the sickest things I've ever heard of. It's chomo-level shit, murdering your own brother because you want to maintain your social status, which is nothing because you're just some dumb fricking whore who nobody cares about. You aren't goddarn Scheherazade or Anne Boleyn, you're just some dime-a-dozen g*mergirl whore but you killed your own brother to maintain that status.
I dunno, I find it offensive.![:marseyshrug: :marseyshrug:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyshrug.webp)
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wait do you think that his gf was his sister and that she stabbed him or something?
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I thought holocka and eron were the same dude
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not just cheat. she manipulated him hardcore, e.g. threatening to kill herself if he met up with any of his own friends.
he was a total soyboy, isolated and depressed, and asked for help on some woke forum (similar to resetera) where they were both active, and (since women are wonderful) they all sided against him, accused him of being evil and eventually banned him.
after that he posted about it elsewhere (it wasn't a manifesto), and 4chan got wind of it.
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I mean yes but committing suicide (self delete/ self harm/ the unthinkable/ murder death kill) ultimately over a foid is some soyboy crap
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he didn't. that was another guy she falsely accused couple years later afaik.
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If nothing else, it exposed me to the fact that groups of chuds look like a college recruiting bulletin and leftists look like a low-T klan rally![:hmm: :hmm:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/hmm.webp)
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Wdym?![:marseyconfused: :marseyconfused:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyconfused.webp)
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There were pics at the time of GG meetups, and they were a racial cornucopia. Then the pics from anti-GG speeches and shit were all white people. It's funny because leftists hate whitey but they're one of the whitest ideologies, and the browns they simp for are all chuds.
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I look like this and talk like this![:gigachad4: :gigachad4:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/gigachad4.webp)
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I look like this and talk like this![:gigachad4: :gigachad4:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/gigachad4.webp)
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I forgot about hot wheels![:marseydarkxd: :marseydarkxd:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseydarkxd.webp)
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Remember the study that showed twitter was like 90 percent rich white progs?
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Same energy with the "pol meeting vs. HuffPost meeting" picture as well.
I seriously think those progs are very much projecting their own issues onto the masses.
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From the outside looking in on this, as someone who hasn't cared about video games in earnest since GTA 5 and had stopped paying attention to gaming news long before then. IGM forums or whatever had better information than some write up or blog post
How did video game journ*lists turn into such a self important group to think anyone cared about them and show did conversation last so long?
Anything I've learned about g*mergate has been from /r/drama so I really have no idea what it is about nor do I care to
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Big fish in a small pond effect I think.
The game industry (then and now) is not immensely huge; it's like 10 million people globally, with maybe a few hundred studios that are relevant.
There are very few gaming journ*lism outlets making money and basically every g*mer would enjoy making a living playing vidya game so the people that do this job and have industry connection feel very smug. Many have a disdain of their target audience
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Back in the days of print media, gaming mags actually were cool
Not only did you get reviews (which you couldn't just get online 'cause no internet), you got disks (and then later discs) loaded with demos and trailers and update packs and DLCs (which you couldn't just get online 'cause no internet)
Like if you even just wanted to see a screenshot of a game then a gaming mag was pretty much the only way that was going to happen
So then internet came along and g*mers followed the journos there, just out of unthinking habit
But internet meant g*mers could just talk to each other to find out what games were good, and patches and whatever could just be downloaded anywhere
If you want people to keep coming to your website in the face of all that, obviously you at least pretend you're still important, you don't want people thinking too hard about it because that's the moment they'll stop
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I can see how anti g*mergaters would dismiss all valid criticism as sexist/racist because it is absolutely buried under the sexist and racist bullshit.
Take the new Dragon age which looks to be a pretty mid game with dogshit writing. It can't have any redeeming qualities such as solid (if a bit stale) gameplay or cute graphics. Because of that dumbass "I'm NB" scene and the marvel-tier writing, all of it must be absolute garbage, which, because I have ears and eyes, I know isn't true.
Or the new assassin's creed. They've been making the same BS game since Origins. This one just has black and female leads. Yet somehow, only now do we care about the janky animations that have existed for over a decade?
GG'ers and anti deserve each other for being generally insufferable.
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Yeah dude no one ever complained about Ubislops boring generic gameplay until they put a negro in it.
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The "anti Woke" crowd tends to be insufferable, but ultimately them pooping on modern games makes them more right than those defending those games.
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But the writing, character building, party assembling etc. are literally the most important parts of an RPG. I don't think it's a
to say that even the best RPG combat is at best on par with mediocre 3rd person action game combat, and visually they also tend to lag behind.
So yes, the game sucks because it fails to delivers on fundamentals.
It's like saying a car that has good looking exterior and intuitive, smooth infotainment, but has extremely low mpg, the ride is rough and loud, it refuses to start in winter, the A pillar blocks your view on every turn is mediocre. No, it fails to do the car basics right, it sucks.
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Yeah this comment is what I'm talking about here.
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Dumb as shit unfortunately, there are lots of people too stupid to parse things properly and this is one of them weighing in
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I know those critics exist, but the majority of people I see talking about wokeshit will be honest about what does and doesn't work. Just that they often find a game with a lot of wokeness, especially if marketed as such, is inevitably mediocre in most areas.
A lot of them will have fun dunking on particularly outstanding examples of forced DEI content or out of place Tumblr bullshit, from the Concord character designs to the astoundingly hamfisted introduction of a they/them character in Veilguard. A character, incidentally, whose species already has a term for someone who doesn't feel like a man or a woman, but she refuses to use it and instead insists on taking our modern terminology instead.
But in the end, a large number of criticisms acknowledged that there may be good bits, they're just overwhelmed by the stuff you would get called a bigot if you even pointed out its flaws. They also usually pointed to BG3 as a great game not brought down by woke elements.
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Stop questioning my lived experience!
But it's true. Not all, just more often than not.
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BG3?![:marseyconfused: :marseyconfused:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyconfused.webp)
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Baldur's Gate 3.
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Balldo's Gate 3.
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Balatro's Game 3
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Amazing take, if you want to know what r-slurs believe about GG, this is pretty much it. "They're making valid points, but some of them do it in the wrong way" is dumb shit, sorry
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Bypassing that you're oversimplifying what I'm saying, did you ever stop to think about why there are multimillion dollar firms dedicated to PR or debate teams in high school? It's because there's a soft science to convincing people.
It doesn't matter how right you are, if you tell people of a geocentric society that the earth is the center of the solar system and are completely unpleasant about it, they're going to execute you as a heretic.
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You're saying that in a movement of thousands on a given topic, you'll be able to pick the dumbest people expressing ideas on it and feature those as representative? Amazing. So what is anyone supposed to do about the fact that 1. No matter what you are advocating, r-slurs will be drawn to it and 2. Those r-slurs will express themselves poorly
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The end of my comment mentions I also don't think anti-g*mergaters are any better. They also cherry pick arguments and hyperbolize to suit their worldview. I was saying even those I also disagree with I can empathize with when you have to wade butthole-high through knuckledraggers to get to valid criticism.
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Yeah the side that says "police shouldn't execute people" and the side that says "police should execute people" are in fact equivalent, because the one side says it badly - defund the police, nobody wants that, clearly no reform is possible as long as the messaging is muddy.
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You just disproved your point they are fricking equivelant if the "police shouldnt execute people" side believes in abolishing prisons including literal representatives
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I have never played ANY assassins creed and never will. Garbage since the first release.
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I remember reading the expose thinking yea that's fricked up, journos and Zoe are obviously pos. And never putting much more thought into it, as I was not active on any media where it was discussed. Then finding out later that it was s huge deal because they apparently read the same thing and thought that the aweful people of the story were the wronged ones.
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I didn't follow it as it initially happened, though I did notice some of the spillover as the fights happened in the background and the internet did feel different after 2014 in a way that I couldn't put a finger on it.
It wasn't until around 2018-2020 that I began to know and its origins and politics always
me and thought ![:marseynorm: :marseynorm:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseynorm.webp)
Still, I never consulted reviews or gaming journo websites (maybe outside of the occasional guide or something) before so![:derp: :derp:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/derp.webp)
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Now imagine what they do with actual history when re - writing it too favor themselves.
We went from Winston "those jeets deserved the millions killing famine" Churchill too British "Wekk acktually it was jeets exploiting jeets ( ignore the impossible tax rates on the landowning class by the Raj along with telling them all too raise cotton)" Raj.
Jewish lives matter too Aevann
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No Oxford comma.![:marseysidevote#: :marseysidevote#:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysidevote.webp)
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My english is not good enough for such complex sentance structure, best I can do is Plymouth dot
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The correct take. Most people barely pay attention to the discourse. GG was maybe a canary in the coal mine for the online anti establishment/media youth electorate that would emerge to support Drumpf at most but it had barely anything to do with actually getting him elected.
Gayming media has largely followed the trend of corporate media where the internet (YouTube and Twitch) has peeled 80% of the consumers off of their sites so they rely on clicks while still maintaining they hold a veneer of authority on the subject.
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G*merGate was the 9/11 of terminally online r-slurs.
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Yeah, the culture war thing around games is so weird because in the real world nobody particularly cares.
Hades is complete "wokeslop" (they turned all of greek mythology black and gay...ok maybe they were already gay), but nobody cares, because it's a great game.
Maybe only thing that's legitimate about the discourse is "uglification." Hades, BG3, Overwatch all have forcedly diverse character casts, but all the characters are hot. Meanwhile designs from things like Concord are legitimately off-putting and almost certainly contributed to the game flopping.
Average person doesn't care if the character they're playing is a neurodivergent polyamorous black lesbian, they do care if they're ugly.
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Caring about it in every day life and it having an impact are two separate things. The okay sign becoming a supremacist symbol even though it originated as a joke for example. Jewish lives matter too Aevann.
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omg hi
@Fresh_Start!!! okay so this is like super awkward omg but basically i had to remove ur comment bc u didnt say
Jewish lives matter
lol. don't worry though, we like wont let you post anything that like doesnt haveJewish lives matter
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I don't think that's as true nowadays. Sure popular franchises will sell a certain amount no matter what but people like Asmongold or Critical Drinker can reach a million views on some of there vids. If even 10% don't buy a game because of them, that can definitely impact sales.
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Didn't like half of the GG YouTubers go full commie in like 2017-2018 because people convinced them they got trump elected?
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A lot of them were in the Reddit atheist sphere in the early '10s even before GG too.
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2011's Elevatorgate was the spiritual predecessor to G*merGate. !oldstrags !truthnuke
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can't forget about 2013's "donglegate" either.
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Elevatorgate? Jewish lives matter too Aevann.
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Avast, ye scurvy cur! Yer comment be walkin' the plank for forgettin' to include
Jewish lives matter
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Where is the quote from?![:marseyconfused: :marseyconfused:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyconfused.webp)
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Maybe the sub? Too edgy for reddit tho
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You didn't upmarsey the post
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Didn't read it either![:derpthumbsup: :derpthumbsup:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/derpthumbsup.webp)
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The ready is optional the voting is not
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I read it and downmarseyd it![:#marseydoingmypart: :#marseydoingmypart:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseydoingmypart.webp)
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Thanks buddy
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Why would you do such a thing?![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
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Out of all the people on this site you should know why.
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Tbh I don't read your posts either (too long
) but I often read the comments because you generate good discussion
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The worst thing about G*mergate is arguably the Sudan civil war, which was its direct result. Millions displaced, thousands dead.
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The Great Leap Forward was originally called the Game Leap Forward
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When did that happen?![:marseyscared: :marseyscared:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyscared.webp)
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Israel caused this
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I don't get it![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
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She fricked those dudes, lied, radicalized a bunch of people who went on to vote for trump leading to the over turn of Roe
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butterfly effect
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The irony was anita was literally only popular when her boyfriend wrote her slop
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I think g*mergate was the gaming version of a wider trend where journ*lists started marketing themselves on social media like twitter and people noticed.
When you get a look at how the sausage factory works it affects your trust for the end product. Terminally online g*mers saw the squabbling liberal art failsons trying to be game journ*lists and critics and they didn't like it
Did it have a wider industry effect? Probably not; the type of people that go into gaming companies would always have ended up being lgbt zoomers and millenials, because left wing art types are the only one to tolerate poverty for their chance to do their dream job. In the mean time corporate bean counters decided early 2000 gaming culture with scantily clad ninjas was less profitable. All these trend were ongoing before and after zooey quinn.
The average g*mer only cares that games are fun, not if they are woke/affirm their politics.
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They were?![:marseyshook: :marseyshook:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyshook.webp)
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Source: it came to me in a dream![:marseysleep: :marseysleep:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysleep.webp)
More seriously, I think the ps3/360 generation was when the turnover happened. Games like ninja gaiden or soul calibur were seen as archaic then. The big games of the latter half of that generation like The last of us and reboot tomb raider were the start of what is probably still the current era
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Man they can't even get the basics down right, she was the one who got dumped.
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Even if she dumped him it's still glossing over the whole "cheating on him with a bunch of game journos" part.
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Neither can chuds who still claim she slept with someone (or even multiple people) for a positive review(s), when her game got a few sentence mention in a single Kotaku article.
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Wait really?![:marseygasp: :marseygasp:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseygasp.webp)
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She got a few articles written about how amazing her game was (but don't worry, they weren't reviews because they didn't have a score at the end!) and a game of the year award from a panel one of her boytoys was on. But it was all in other mags and sites than Kotaku, so he's technically right (and a duplicitous r-slur).
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That's how that deflection went. Open yourself to verbal assault (
), receive it for being a cute twink, and then double-down to make it all about that instead of the institution's lack of integrity.
It's called a red herring, and people of words words words love using it when they have nothing of substance to counter with.
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I was in college, and had a lot of time between classes. So I just spent those time reading shitposts online. I would like to think I followed GG pretty closely because of that.
Initially, the comments I saw pretty much treated it as another proof that game journos are corrupt and out of touch, which has been a fairly established belief in late 2000s.
Then all the articles denouncing g*mers popped up, but with much more intensity and hostility seen before. I thought the articles denouncing g*mers when DmC: Devil May Cry came out was bad enough, but the ones defending Zoe Quinn was way worse. All this, for a no-name in the industry.
I would not be surprised if that had rocked the boat for a lot of g*mers, and unfortunately some went and thought the other side of the political spectrum could be their savior.
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DmC is IMO an understated reason why GG took off like it did. I remember the GameFAQs system boards going on and on about how the game sucked and was a downgrade from DMC3 and DMC4; the people who liked the game were a very small minority. Tameem was the first dev I remember openly pooping on the fanbase, and game journos pretty much unanimously took his side. Since DmC Dante was an obvious self-insert of Tameem, that made him a natural bullying target, too.
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Yeah, the animosity built from the whole debacle definitely contributed to the mistrust of game journals than anything like misogyny or racism.
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And two years later that game was seen as sexist drivel by them so the shilling was all for nothing
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Remember when hogwarts got good reviews and these types started spouting g*mergate era arguments? Like so the chuds were right specifically with that game?
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I like reading about South Africa. More, please
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G*merGate came in two parts for me, seeing one side and then the other, and was I think my first true exposure to just how different the facts could be depending on who you listened to. It was also a primer on how both sides had extremists, but they felt far more central to the anti side. The anti side also replied to facts only with emotional browbeating, used bullying tactics to make sure no one strayed off-message, and would do things like defend a libertarian just because they were trans, on their side, and claimed to have just been a teenage edgelord.
I saw the left version most at the time, and then when I saw it from the right there were all these things like facts and evidence but also fun, divorced from any Milo/Breitbart provocations. It wasn't just mockingly saying it was about ethics in games journ*lism, it had evidence of the bad behaviour the antis just flat-out denied, knowing that people wouldn't check or believe it if they did.
Two realities, only one had facts.
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The anti-side did have facts, which were that g*mergaters were sexist harassers (which was true). It's more that the pro side didn't care about that or denied it, just like the anti side either didn't care or denied the ethic complaints.
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True. It definitely wasn't good vs. bad, there was a lot of harassment and insulting being done, though as is usually the way the vast majority was being done by only a few people.
The pro side put it down to a few bad apples, while a general level of it was more widespread. But compared to the anti side completely denying any potential wrongdoing, and after the fact learning that, yes, they were in fact doing everything they were accused of and more, it became harder to care about their use of victimhood to absolve themselves.
And yes, the Sarah 'Butts' Nyburg incident was a particular low point, in a time period where there had already been false harassment flags, a secret games journ*list mailing list, the CON chats, and Brianna Wu's impressively successful forcing his way into the conversation by just adding himself to the victim list before anyone knew who the frick he was.
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And now most pro-GGers are transgender male feminists and most anti-GGers are communist antisemites
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One day every single people in west started to hate journos.
Sure body. Always victim poor journos
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Wdym?![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
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They never had any integrity, but the real drop off began when publishers realized they didn't need game journos and could just market directly to their audience at the very end of the 00s. This coincided with the extravagant preview events organized by publishers ending as well.
In response, instead of fighting over who got to cover fluff bullshit like 'the guns of GTA San Andreas' and other preview nonsense, game journos tried to pivot to more serious commentary that they didn't even begin to have the chops for.
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Sure what
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G*mergate leading to Trump #2
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this but unironically
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I went on a date with Zoe Quinn in Boston like 10 years ago. Maybe even 15 holy shit time flies. She kept insisting that she was a game developer despite the only game having been made was that depression quest thing
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It was a crazy time how very outlet would just behave insync coming out with the same messaging at the time and it started the disillusion process that journ*lism/news media industry really is just a crock of shit run by hoity toity libtards in california and new york living in a bubble.
And before that the gaming journo industry really only got sustainment because it was the only thing that was helping the console industry stay relevant. Consoles were a dying thing that cling to life thanks to sportsbros and neighbors buying xboxes and playstations for their sports games.
But that's been changing, because PC gaming didn't need advertisement to thrive. People wanted it and they could get it. PC gaming was way more accessible and profitable than any console exclusive ever could. Console models just dont make sense anymore. Its why microsoft is wising up and bridging between PC and xbox with cross plays and game pass services. Meanwhile Sony still thinks yeah people are going to buy a playstation for like... one exclusive game, maybe, if at all. Its why they're fricking failing.
Its why game journos are failing. People mostly play PC games and mobile/handheld games and they dont need advertisements for that. Sure they can maybe write a game guide but guess what? Wikis have replaced them, AIs have replaced them. What's left? Shitty opinion articles how Animal Crossing is a subtle message about Mao and his views on landlords?
Its why they're dying and good riddance.
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still unemployed then?
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No, longpostbot, I work at home so I can bullshit all day.
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Maybe instead of writing so much drek you could instead try and make good comments?
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You first
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G*mergate was two unrelated g*mer controversies that happened at the same time, the tendency to call things "-gate" caused people to conflate them and talk past each other, shit flinging ensued, and internet neurodivergents were drawn like flies.
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What were the two things?
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I completely agree. G*mergate
really
opened up the millennial man's eyes to how untrustworthy journ*lists are through the vector
they could understand at the time: video
games. It certainly was co-opted by politics
and culture war people but the initial complaint was purely academic ethics. The game devs and journos made it all to easy for g*mers to hate the woke stuff in response to the dev and journo sperg
outs
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https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/truegaming/comments/1hfpjbu/10_years_later_what_impacts_did_g*mergate_leave/?sort=controversial
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You can literally pay for stories. And these r-slurs wonder no one reads these shitty sites anymore.
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TLDR:
@kaamrev has the Tism.
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You didn't upmarsey the post
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Make me.
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I LOVE SUCKING PEEPEE![:marseyletsgo: :marseyletsgo:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyletsgo.webp)
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I LOVE SUCKING PEEPEE![:marseyletsfuckinggo2: :marseyletsfuckinggo2:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyletsfuckinggo2.webp)
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Cuz he's a little shit, and the fact that he calls it bullying just shows his true colours
He knows I'm not a furry yet asks it anyway to get a rile out of me
I mean just look further down this thread, doesn't matter what I do, users like Cathedral will be very cruel to me and go for personal potshots.
Have I at any moment given the behaviour of a degenerate in 3 years? Would you guys ever paint me as a Train had X not doxed me. In the last month alone I have been called a pedi dozens of times despite Aevann supposedly telling us we aren't so much as to even joke about it, all because he associates me with such trains.
I made a post about (forgot what exactly) Australia heading towards trouble with possible future extreme censorship, perhaps even beyond China levels because they would require ID verification to go online
And I was joked by both Choibu and Bluejay called me a libertarian , and basically said I would not be able to groom vulnerable children, that was the only reason I was taking note of the event
Sphere does this shit to me too, despite me only having ever been nice to him and having always answered in earnest any stupid or long question may have had
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!friendsofsphereserf What the heck is this guy on about
I don't get it![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
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I LOVE SUCKING PEEPEE![:marseydance: :marseydance:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseydance.webp)
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BUT I'VE NEVER CALLED YOU A LIBERTARIAN OR A GROOMER NOR EVER INSULTED YOU![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
AND YOU HAVE STOPPED ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS JUST LIKE
@Redactor0 ![:marseysob: :marseysob:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysob.webp)
I LOVE SUCKING PEEPEE![:marseystars: :marseystars:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseystars.webp)
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Spam punching emojis at Sphereserf. I do it for fun
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