https://kiwifarms.st/threads/william-james-mitchell-vs-twin-galaxies-llc-jeff-harrist-jeremy-young-donkeykongforum-com-benjamin-q-smith.69506/page-47#post-20972338

https://old.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1johcgq/karl_jobst_loses_lawsuit_against_billy_mitchell/

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/706981369/carl-jobst-status

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/706941383/billy-mitchell-vs-karl-jobst

https://www.pcg*mer.com/gaming-industry/youtuber-karl-jobst-to-pay-more-than-usd230-000-to-donkey-kong-record-holder-billy-mitchell-in-defamation-ruling/

Neighbor is now on damage control on Xwitter as only his cultists are still defending him:

I lost. The judge found Billy to be a credible witness and believed his entire testimony. From that point on unfortunately there was really nothing that could have saved me. I will now obviously consider my options.

I know many of you will be upset with this and I am sorry for…

— Karl Jobst (@karljobstgaming) April 1, 2025

There are a lot of lies being spread that I falsely claimed Billy sued me because I said he cheated. I never claimed this, I only claimed it was relevant as part of my defence.

I didn't openly discuss certain details for obvious reasons but I was never trying to hide why I was…

— Karl Jobst (@karljobstgaming) April 1, 2025

I removed my last video. Obviously people are upset so it is better I address the concerns of the public first and make a video explaining everything before releasing future videos. I would just ask you wait for my video before making a full judgement.

I'm sorry for releasing…

— Karl Jobst (@karljobstgaming) April 1, 2025

$300,000 for non economic loss $50,000 aggravated damages

Jobst will pay interest on those amounts, 3% pa from the first day of publication until today

$40,446 interest in total if i caught the numbers right

He also needs to pay for Billy's attorney fees. This case could end up costing Karl 1.5 million or more total if you include Karls own lawyer fees

This is really bad for Karl, this is an incredible amount of money

How does this even happen, he's been following that guy for so long, how does he let his lawyer mess up this badly?

i know frick all about this stuff really, but the things that seemed to cause the judge to arrive at his decision were:

Jobst implied that Mitchell drove ApolloLegend to (or was a factor in his) suicide

Jobst stated as fact that Mitchell forced ApolloLegend into paying him money

Jobst retracted these statements later, but placed the retraction at the end of a 30-minute unrelated video, in such a way that it was effectively hidden

none of these seem like lawyer frickups? his team may or may not have done a good job of defending him but if the above is true it seems like you can't class this as pure lawyer fail (i'm open to being educated about why it is, though - again, haven't followed this super closely)

Idk man

He's spent half a decade making videos about how Billy Mitchell was done for and that he had no case and how he's surely going down this time and then it ends like this

Like come on

Honestly I wouldn't be able to show my face on the internet again if I spent half a decade making video about how this one guy was done and then I ended up losing the lawsuit and being forced to pay 1.5 million to him.

That is... unexpected, right?

I assumed he had no case at all. As far as I know, winning a defamation suit is something very hard and you need a pile of evidence and recurring offenses to be able to win.

Unexpected if you only listened to Karl's fans.

I am a fan of Karl. But it was always stupid making a hundred videos about Billy.

Waking up today, I thought there's no possible way Karl loses this lawsuit.

After going through this thread, now I feel like it was practically inevitable.

And now I feel my impression of Karl is permanently altered. Billy will forever be a black stain in my mind, but Karl, how do you misrepresent yourself to your audience to such a degree? Did he ever even mention Apollo Legend being the actual focus of the lawsuit in his dozens of videos about Billy Mitchell? I genuinely can't recall.

This all is definitely going to make me side-eye his content going forward.

I watched the livestream of the announcement after having been a Jobst fan for years. I could not believe my ears when it became clear that Jobst was going to lose.

Then the judge made a clarifying statement that this judgment had nothing to do with whether or not Mitchell cheated, which left me confused as heck. I thought that was what the whole lawsuit was about?

Then I read the reddit comments and it all made more sense. The lawsuit was not at all what Jobst said it was.

It made me realize a horrible thing: I had been living in a Jobst echo chamber where I just watched his videos and read the most upmarseyd YouTube comments. I'm angry at Jobst for lying to me, but I'm more ashamed at myself for only listening to one side of the argument.

Remember when Karl Jobst was palling around with all those Nazis in the Goldeneye speedrun server?

For some context, ersatz_catz from Perfect Pacman pubilshed some great articles about the case last year. Here's a blog with a list of all the links that they wrote: https://perfectpacman.com/2025/03/18/karl-update/.

EDIT: Here's the link to the full verdict document. I already made several corrections after I finished reading a good chunk of the document.

From the livestream (which was only focused on the judgment delivery), the judge decided that Karl Jobst commited defamation towards Billy Mitchell by falsely stating that Billy Mitchell's had a role in Apollo Legend passing by forcing him to privately settle with him, a settlement that supposedly included a financial aspect wich put Apollo into big financial stress, which is false because Apollo Legend never payed a single dime to Billy before his passing. It was only revealed in this livestream that in this private settlement, Apollo only needed to pay Billy 25,000 USD every time Apollo mentioned Billy, apart from their settlement, in one of his videos after they settled.

Also contributing to the judge decision was Karl Jobst reckless disregard to properly rectify his mistake after Billy Mitchell tried to communicate with him that his statements were false. Karl only changed his mind after Keemstar forwarded Billy's message and confirmed with Apollo's brother that there was no financial aspect to the settlement. Even then, he only directed his apology, which was buried on an unrelated Dark Souls video, towards his fans and not Billy.

Because of this, Karl Jobst now owes Billy Mitchell:

• $300,000 of non economic loss because of the damage done by Karl's difamatory statements. Although not the max amount of $400,000 that Billy was asking, the statement was still damaging enough to award all this money to Billy.

• $50,000 of aggravated damages. This is mainly because of Karl Jobst public mocking towards Billy Mitchell even after he was already being sued. The judge could have awarded more money to Billy, but he only asked for this figure in his original lawsuit.

• On top of that, Karl also owes a little over $40,000 of interest (3% per annum) since the day the original video was published (21 May 2021).

• Karl Jobst also has to pay for Billy Mitchell lawyer costs.

• Seeing that the verdict document only mentions foreign currency figures like $USD when noted, I'll assume that all of the costs that I mentioned are $AUD.

Yes, Billy Mitchell has the reputation of a cheater who litigates against anyone who dares to question his "achievements" (even the judge agrees on that!), but Karl Jobst really fricked up on how he handled this and especially, his lawyers were complete buffons in how they handled this case, especially by not even questioning and fighting the argument that Karl Jobst's was the main personality that accused Billy Mitchell of having some influence in Apollo Legend decision to end his life. This is mentioned very clearly on Paragraph (420), "the contention that Mr Mitchell was a substantial contributor to Apollo Legend's decision to commit suicide has persisted for some years. No such assertions were ever made and Mr Mitchell did not have such a reputation before the offending video was published.". There's also the fact that the judge determined that Karl acted with malice, a very important point in a defamation lawsuit against a public figure, as mentioned on Paragraph (523): "I find that Mr Jobst certainly has malice toward Mr Mitchell. Not only the matters relied on by [Billy's Barister] demonstrate that, but other conduct concerning the retraction video and other online videos or streamed interviews in which he was involved are clear demonstrations of his malice, not only at the time of the offending video, but continuing up to and during the trial…"

A comment I found on perfectpacman.com also mentions Paragraph (506), which says "Mr Jobst did not plead any facts or explanation for his denial of Mr Mitchell's allegation that he had not made any, or any proper, pre-publication enquiry as to the true position" and Paragraph (507) which mentions that "[Karl Jobst] had no reasonable basis for the assertions he made in the offending words. He was, indeed, recklessly indifferent to whether or not those assertions were true.". In other words, Karl's lawyers and even Karl himself are the only one to blame for this result!

It seems like Karl somewhat misrepresented what the case was about? From the statement it seems to have been about responsibility on Apollo Legend's death and not about cheating.

But holy frick slam dunk W for Billy Mitchell. $AUS390,000 in damages

Actively making videos about an ongoing lawsuit is not recommended…you shouldn't even talk about them let alone do the former. Doesn't matter what country you are in

Especially a defamation lawsuit

I mean, claiming someone drove another person to suicide is a big fricking deal, even if I believe Mitchell is a scumbag

You're going to have a very hard time winning a suit like that. Especially in a country with more lax defamation laws, like Australia.

Now...wasn't he raising money for his legal defense from viewers? Or am I confusing him with someone else? But if that's the case I'd be curious how people who donated for this "slam dunk" chance to put Billy in his place feel about the facts of the case seemingly being misrepresented by Karl for a long time.