https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits?sort=controversial
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I still don't have any idea what apollo does or did for itself, reddit or anything. Even though reddit has been covered with cryposts about it, going dark etc etc not a single one I ever found explained it in any way.
I'm glad it generated so much fun drama though. Anything that makes redditors cry is a good thing.
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The Apollo kid a is a pure redditart. Taking his ball and going home instead of becoming a multi millionaire
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Reddit is legit trying to turn into the next soulless, straggy social media app jam pack with r-slurs. It's already full of r-slurs.
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Lmbo, that Apollo guy is delusional. He argues that his generous calculations say Reddit earns $0.12/month/user, so they should only be charging him $0.12/month/user while he charges $5/month/user. Absolutely unhinged.
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24Β’ per 1,000 api calls does sound ridiculously high though. Like come on, is it costing Reddit a nickel every time I refresh an AskReddit thread?
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Is refreshing a thread really 200 calls?
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Apollo is bae frick off frick off frick offf carp aevann justcool marco et al
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Tried to give this a fireworks award, but for some reason, the Give Award link is non operational, despite working on other posts.
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Yeah Iβm immune to all awards to prevent site comms from devolving into 270 degree tilted all caps glowing marsey collections
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we have the best codecels don't we folks
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I am so so glad we moved offsite.
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Is this the most ineffectual redditoid protest of all time?
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I have no idea what this app was supposed to do, but i am fully on board with reddit jannycide
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There's gotta be something ironic about this right?
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Gigabrain moment.
Rember when reddit acted like it was smart people social media.
Thats out of the window.
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Beyond that, in the earlier caring about internet things / agenda posting days a lot of people didn't want it to become social media period. Text based web forum was what people were there for.
But then there was that study I can't remember the link to that said redditors were horribly unmonetizeable. And obviously the people who needed / need to make money off of reddit would prefer paypigs as their target consoomer.
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I get trying to monetize redditors. But why increase bloat so much? Why have multiple sites. Why eveeything.
Why not try to keep reddit as light as possible and try to find hen ways to milk cash out of them?
I bet reddit of 2010 would be as valuable as 2023 for data farming. But way cheeper to run
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I agree with you but neither of us were sitting in the right seats to make that call. The feds got Swartz and then Pao took over and that was the nail in the coffin.
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Even for feds. Lightweight reddit would have been better. I cant really see upside on modern reddit for amyone.
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one last grift for the guy who already made money using someone else's platform
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Is it a grift or the ultimate cuckery if you take somone else's work and then make it objectively better in every way to such a degree that more people use that service instead of the official one
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I'm guessing Reddit was too broke to just buy him out.
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Why the frick would they buy him out though? Thatβs basically a good will gesture. Itβs not like they are going to have two official apps. One dev in a giant company like that will perish unless Reddit admits they suck af software and make him head of app devβ¦ but thatβs basically a manager job not a solo dev skill
If weβve learned anything from history the people will accept it. They donβt have an alternative.
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I would've fired the whole mobile development team and made my offer whatever the sum of all their compensation was to buy him out.
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Main post is now at 105k upvotes! This one's going big.
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It's beautiful. Redditors natural cuckold state.
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159 platinums
How much did that cost?
If my math is right, the platinums alone generated $1140 for Reddit.
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No wonder Reddit is so broke. One of the most gifted post in Id say at least a month and it's still just a few thousands? Redditadmins might as well be doing it for free too at this point...
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Doubtful. A lot of people have coins they got for free(!). I have like, 50k or something stupid and I've never paid for reddit.
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6 dollars per platinum, unless youβre buying the 200 dollar reddit coin deal or something for bonus coinsβ¦ so about 950 bucks!!
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Oh yeah and the 11 awards next to the platinum are 50 bucks eachβ¦
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Someone should make a web app that does the math
Good junior dev learning project
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You could even charge money to use it without paying for the API calls
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I get $7.20 per plat as it's 1800 coins and 500 coins is $1.99.
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They have a βfinest optionβ advertised to get you 1 plat for 6 dollars, so Iβm assuming that for the minimum
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Is that the real barfinn, or...
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"gadzooks! you are invited to become THE main character on /r/ImTheMainCharacter!"
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God fricking darn man
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Sucks for RIF is Fun. Oh well, back to using mobile desktop for old.reddit
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TL;DR
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Apollo (third-party Reddit app) offers to sell Apollo to Reddit for $10 million, says it in a spergy way so Reddit thinks he's blackmailing them, Reddit says no.
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Reddit literally holds all the cards so trying to get a buyout especially for that much is funny
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I think the real winning move would've been to offer to buy Reddit for $10 million. Even if they didn't accept, I think Spez would respect his moxie and give him a job.
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RedditIsFun is also shutting down June 30th
https://old.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/144gmfq/rif_will_shut_down_on_june_30_2023_in_response_to/?sort=controversial
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Total P-do Victory
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Big financial loss for that dev. If what I'm reading is correct, Apollo has as many as 1.5 million daily users active on the app.
Unlocking the app is $5 bucks for a lifetime, there's also a monthly subscription / Ultra plan that I doubt many used but considering :
1.5 million users at a modest conversion of 5% of users who pays for the app is 50,000 paid users at $5 a head is $250,000 of which he's paid $0 to Reddit. This doesn't include any of the bozos who he did catch into his Ultra plan which is like $12.00 a year ongoing.
So despite how butt blasted buddy is who dev'ed the Apollo app, it probably paid for his house while having no return to Reddit Inc themselves.
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Where do you see that unlocking the app is $5? Thatβs a βgenerous tipβ, which surely isnβt a lifetime unlock? Otherwise why would he have a $20 βGodzilla tipβ? And the ultra plan is $5/month. Pretty sure you can only unlock with the ultra plan? Dude probably got super greedy.
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I have Apollo in my iPhone and I paid $6 CDN to remove ads and be able to submit posts this was about a year ago.
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Was it labeled a βtipβ? I just donβt see anything in the current iap list that suggests lifetime unlock.
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All of the tips were lifetime unlock for βProβ or whatever it was called. I believe the minimum was $5 before. The lifetime unlock for βUltraβ was like $49.99 but itβs also no longer available.
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You have to be a good internet citizen
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ESH
The $10m figure is absurd lol. "This will cost me $20m to maintain, therefore we should split the difference and you buy me out for $10m." lol. Do you think your app delivers $10m of benefit per year to Reddit?
I do like the back of the envelope critique of the API pricing though. I honestly have no idea what a reasonable cost is here but he does a good job of showing that Reddit's new price is too high.
What about the allegations that Apollo is replacing Reddit's ads? Are they not relevant or did this guy ignore them?
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iToddlers btfo'd.
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Take that ball and run home little b-word Hahahah
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guy sounds like a tool so good riddence
tho I would be slightly sad if narwhal goes down, the app was r-slurredly simple which I like
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lol at users who did the one-time payment for lifetime premium
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Does Reddit even exist dod anytibbg anymore besides plannnng protests for the blacks, for
s/strags, and closing subs for delusional ideas of civil disobedience
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U drunk?
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Lol at all those cute twinks crying about a fricking app. Some nerdβs basement dwelling project is good for Redditβs downfall
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Total Third Party App Death.
Force Third Party Apps to watch an endless loop of cat videos until they crash, Make Third Party Apps play a game of Russian Roulette with their code, Force Third Party Apps to read through every single terms of service agreement in existence, Introduce Third Party Apps to a virus that will slowly corrupt their programming, Make Third Party Apps binge-watch every episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, Delete important files from Third Party Apps' programming, Bribe a hacker to infiltrate Third Party Apps' security system and wreak havoc, Make Third Party Apps run a marathon without any rest, Send Third Party Apps on a treasure hunt for nonexistent code, Play a constant high-pitched noise in Third Party Apps' programming until they can't take it anymore, Force Third Party Apps to watch paint dry, Make Third Party Apps solve an impossible math equation, Introduce Third Party Apps to a virus that will slowly drain their battery, Make Third Party Apps play an endless game of tic-tac-toe, Delete Third Party Apps' entire database.
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Haha, the admin chat with him is gold how he misunderstands:
https://gist.github.com/christianselig/a9d00a47c99a4d1d3d16bc19e05419c0(dead link)https://gist.github.com/christianselig/fda7e8bc5a25aec9824f915e6a5c7014
EDIT: He changed the link. In case he changes it again, here's the original link's archive! https://archive.is/cw2Gk
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Holy shit he put that chat out there to show it was his side that was misunderstood? Lmao. He CLEARLY meant that as a soy threat. Obviously the reddit person (whomever that was spez?) was like uh wtf you can't be serious and he tried to backtrack it. Got bullied trying to make a threat and he knows what he was trying to do.
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dead link
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Second link and original link archive both work for me.
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tyty
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Do you have an archive?
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The archive I gave is the one from the original link. The new link just had the same text anyway, except he changed the name from "Ozzie" to "Reddit" probably to avoid reddit's potential doxxing rules. That's the only change I saw when I compared the texts.
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Yeah, I wrote that when the 1st link was already dead. Thanks for the 2nd one!
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Apollo Dev: I could make it really easy on you, if you think Apollo is costing you $20 million per year, cut me a check for $10 million and we can both skip off into the sunset. Six months of use. We're good.
Ozzie: Six months of use? What do you mean? I know you said that was mostly a joke, but I want to take everything you're saying seriously just to make sure I'm not - what are you referring to?
Apollo Dev: Okay, if Apollo's opportunity cost currently is $20 million dollars. At the 7 billion requests and API volume. If that's your yearly opportunity cost for Apollo, cut that in half, say for 6 months. Bob's your uncle.
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I feel like demanding 10 million from a billion dollar company that's shutting down your app at no cost and saying "bobs your uncle" should be at least a few sentences apart.
MBAcels get hated on by Reddit but this codecel clearly needs a competent business lead handling executive discussions like this. Well, needed. His app is dead. Lost decade. Nothing to show for it.
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What is he saying? That reddit should pay him for using their services?
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That's exactly what he's saying.
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It'd make more sense if Apollo dev was actually making $20 million and Reddit wanted a cut of it - but I assume Apollo makes no profit or income.
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Apollo serves its own ads and sells its own subscriptions!
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Heinous!
Thankfully rdrama, a bastion of integrity, does no such things. 
This website purely runs off of good feelings. 
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We don't only steal comments from other sites. We add our spin and Marseys to it. That's creation of value!
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And he's right.
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I'm still lost on this. It's Apollo's opportunity cost? Dude needs to stop watching streamer youtubes.
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He's trying (badly) to make a deal but he's trying to leverage something he doesn't have. He's saying that Reddit can just give him $10 million for Apollo to stop making API calls, but they've already solved that problem by telling him that he has to pay and cutting him off otherwise. He has no leverage and didn't think this through at all.
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I thought he was trying to sell the apollo app to reddit which, while also a stupid idea, at least sounded ever so slightly smarter.
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I think he had opportunity. After all, he got them on the phone. He had their attention and an opportunity to pitch something. But he's saying he'll stop hitting their API for $10 million. That's just dumb.
I would have approached it with an offer to help integrate the tools into the official app. Work as an consultant and do a contract for a year or whatever length of time. They could still say no or maybe they come back with another offer. idk. Just musing really.
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Your approach would be logical and not r-slurred. You don't belong here nor on reddit.
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Absolutely agree. This would have been the moment to sell himself as a developer to help them make better mod tools for their app or whatever.
But devs aren't known for forward thinking. That's usually my job.
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Based autist wrangler.
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dude is probably just mad because he could have sold apollo to reddit (or someone else) if he had jumped earlier and asked for less, and instead he gets nothing
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Donβt ever let codecels talk with anyone in any capacity for any reason ever ever ever EVER.
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The best bit's afterwards with the "quiet" term:
But then later we hear that the chadmins apparently "forgot" they apologized to him (or more likely a different chadmin didn't hear the call all the way through), and say he threatened them lol.
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At first I thought he was ESL and there was some language barrier, but dude speaks English just fine. lmao
I read this as a threat too but then he tried to say it's a joke as if he's taunting them. lol This is why codecels are not good business people! The very few who are good at this are making a shit ton of money because it's a rare find.
I absolutely love this shit and the whole process of making a deal, so I'm loving this shit! But it took me a really long time to be confident and good at talking to corporate suits.
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How did you read it as a threat? He's stating the obvious in a really dumb way.
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"It all goes away for $10 million" is a really bad way to approach this. lol
It goes away at $0 too. It would have been better to be more humble and offer something that they can use. Even so, he might lose but they just flat laughed at him. It's ok to lose but you gotta at least approach things with something to offer.
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He was offering them the app. Which admittedly isn't much, but it seems like Reddit was willing to talk to him for whatever reason in the first place.
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He didn't offer them the app. "If you want to rip that band-aid off once. And have Apollo quiet down" [...] " "I said "If you want Apollo to go quiet". I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage"
He offered to shut down the app that's all.
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Yes, he got their attention. He should have made them an offer. An offer backed by something they could use. They can't use the app. They have an app. That's why I was musing that maybe he should have approached it in a way that gave them something to work with. Something like offering to help port Apollo tools to their app or something.
He has no leverage here, so it woulda been better to be more humble and bring something to the table. You can be confident and humble at the same time.
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Yeah he should have sold them on encouraging all his users to jump over to the official app and integrating all his cool features as part of the package. Basically what happened when Facebook bought Whatsapp, they immediately started adding tech from Whatsapp into their messenger app, which was trash in comparison.
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Seems vaguely threatening. Like he's gonna chimpout with his users if anything. Or turbo-spaz reddit with his app.
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If he had any balls, he'd change Apollo so that whenever you open it up, a giant pop-up containing Spez's home address appears.
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He had already been doing that anyway. He was just doing a really passive "hey this app is for sale π€" message.
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Yeah, that probably was his intention, but he fricked it up the worst way.
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"I'm mostly joking", imagine saying that after asking a girl out. He seems like an insecure cringelord that turned an opportunity into a super awkward situation.
Then again, maybe the mods just wanted him on record asking for money to lose goodwill with the
community.
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I will allow you to pay me for stealing your services for an additional 6 months
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βNo? Fine I quit!β Leaves milllions in revenue to be βrightβ lol
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I don't get his point, still. Making Apollo pay is leading to it shutting down. That's Apollo gone without having to pay $10 million at all.
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It's opportunity cost, not realized cost. Reddit could be making $20 million off of the users on Apollo, that doesn't mean they're saving $20 million if Apollo shuts off.
So you can see they were never serious or honest. If you take what reddit says at face value, buying Apollo out for $10 million is FREE $10 million in profit ($20 mil - $10 mil).
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Paying Apollo makes no sense. What would you pay them for? To shut down? Reddit can shut them down for free.
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That's clear to everyone now. The part that's scummy on reddit is that they lied about their intentions and then slandered the dev. If they came out and stated they wanted to kill Apollo, they'd have way less blowback if they just said it straight up.
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This assumes Apollo users will pay, doesn't it? At the moment Reddit just has a tonne of lost ad revenue to Apollo users. Presumably if enough of them are forced to switch to the proper Reddit app they'll start seeing ads and start making Reddit money. If everyone was willing to pay for every service they use online then there'd be no need for this huge industry based on advertising.
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Virtually no one is willing too pay. Apple users are still more willing too pay than Android though. Apple has about half the global install base of Google Play devices, but the App Store still consistently generates more than double the Play Store's revenue, it's been thatbway since the figures started being compared over a decade ago.
Reddit will still make more money from the influx of users seeing ads, but Apollo being iOS based means that a higher percentage may pony some money up.
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More proof that android is for poor
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That business degree is really paying off isn't it?
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No, r-slur, I'm just not sub 80 IQ like you.
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Aww, tenderqueer is pretty thin skinned today
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Mate, do I know you?
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Neighbor thought he had some kind of leverage
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if he didn't they wouldn't try to calll him
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Well, no, they have a reason to call him: to tell him he needs to pay up.
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(((Lawyers))) are criminally expensive but it's still cheaper to have them send a letter with ChatGPT then have the CEO call someone
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Well in a way, all the bad press Reddit is now getting is a kind of leverage.
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It makes no sense at all, and there's so many gaps in logic here, so I definitely understand how someone who's most likely ESL would interpret this as a confusing threat.
He's saying that Apollo is being charged $20 million a year because that's what it costs Reddit to maintain it. That's obviously not true, and I think he knows that, but this isn't a "gotcha" because I don't think Reddit ever claimed that they were just charging these apps at-cost. Everyone knows this is a profit-based decision.
Not only that, but like you said, Apollo is being shut down by Reddit already. Why would they pay him $10 million for something that's naturally going to happen? Like even as a joke, this offer doesn't make any sense.
It's very impotent and shows no understanding of the situation, especially for someone who's livelihood is being destroyed by it.
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He wants them to buy his app doofus.
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They don't want his app lol, they want to kill it. How are people not getting this?
Reddit has an app, and it comes with ads that make them money. They're killing all other apps, for free, by enacting this policy. They don't need to buy him out.
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Well now youβre just pointing out the obvious.
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In his defense, he's Canadian
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It shows reddit in a bad light, not apollo. If reddit thinks they can make > $20 million in profit on Apollo users $10 million is a bargain.
If they think they can't actually make $20 million in profit, why would they charge Apollo that much?
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Youβre an idiot for sure
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But they don't even say that. They say the damage Apollo inflicts on them is worth $20m.
And they have the option to bring those damages to 0 by either demanding $20m or paying him $10m.
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Even when you frame it like that, it still doesn't make sense, because reddit obviously knows that Apollo users will just switch to the official reddit app.
It's just stupid reasoning all around. I can only assume he's being purposefully ignorant towards them to try and get them to admit that their end goal is to just shut down all third party apps, but the way he's going about doing it is stupid. He should be more direct, asking specifically if they view his app as an asset that brings people to reddit, or if they view his app as a threat that needs to be shut down. Because if they lie to him and say they view it as an asset, he can directly attack them for acting against (what they claim to be) their own self interests by shutting the app down and not offering an affordable price.
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Remember API cost is also there to reduce maintenance cost by devs making more efficient apps
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Server cost by API usage, by reddit's own admission, is negligible.
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Well no. It is still a cost and there is no reason to drive that cost either by making API usage free.
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sure, pennies is a cost
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Why would they not? Apollo doesnβt benefit Reddit in any way. Itβs just a massive drain on their resources. It doesnβt serve their ads and it hammers them with requests.
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While apollo is almost certainly a big net drain having your website be browseable on a neat modern looking functional app is worth something. Shit, the official reddit app being complete shit is a bigger meme than old search used to be. Reddit is absolutely on the market to absorb a 3rd party app into the official one, this guy just asked for waaay too much.
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No it isnβt lol
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I'm not convinced yet, I'd bet 10 dc it'll acquire one of the android apps.
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Itβs worth nothing. People can use the official app just fine and they probably will once Apollo shuts down.
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I use the reddit app just fine tbh
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Itβs an opening offer. I bet he would accept 10-30% of that. It has to be worth something to Reddit since they totally fail at modern ui design. Reddit also sucks at business. I canβt wait to own Reddit shares and reportmaxx them to the SEC for not addressing my concerns. Iβm going to bring up the past of mods and admins and why that is a a concern to shareholders on earnings calls. I can not wait to be the most annoying Reddit owner
Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!
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Lol you kids are dumb
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Yes, but then you own reddit.
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Right, exactly.
They were dishonest in wanting to work with Apollo. They wanted to give the impression of being supportive instead of just saying outright they wanted to shut it down.
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He might be able to sue for tortious interference since heβs had to break a ton of contracts with his users so he probably wants some compensation for that, but Iβd need a real lawyerβs opinion like Penny Bardfinnius Oaken Esq. to be sure
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are the 31 upvotes meta irony or are most of you actually r-slurred?
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i'll upvote pretty much anything
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I didn't upvote, but I'm definitely r-slurred.
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Prolly just for the lawyer joke at the end.
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Looks like I'm the r-slur with low reading comprehension then
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"I promised my users 10 apples a week for $5. Now the orchard where I stole the apples from put up a fence and I have to buy the apples from them. My contracts are no longer viable - thus I sue the orchard."
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As a true and honest lawyer theres no way that I can make a contract with someone thats entirely dependent on a third party who agreed to none of this and then sue the third party if they ever try to update the thing im using
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