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The setting 
So this past weekend, the Pokemon World Championship happened in Japan. It's where the biggest nerds best players gather to compete for the title of world champion in the various Pokemon games. The oldest and probably most prestigious of these contests is VGC - the video game championship. It's exactly what you'd expect: people use the newest mainline games (Scarlet and Violet at this time), bring six mons and battle each other. For reasons only The Pokemon Company (TPC) understands, instead of using these six mons to battle one-on-one as most players would suspect and as 99% of these games play, the VGC format is choose-four-out-of-six and use them in a double battle (2-on-2). While this is a bit of a tangent, the important takeway is this: TPC does not particularly care about competitive play, it does not have its finger on the pulse of the community and is frankly pretty much r-slurred when it comes to handling the biggest media franchise on the planet. 
But this year, they did something truly heinous - they actually tried to stop cheating. 
Gotta catch 'em all - or do you? 
Competitive Pokemon has a bunch of boring rules, but the relevant one for this drama is one that has existed in a form similar to this since the very beginning:
As a little background, Pokemon games have been hacked for a long time. And as early as 2002 (probably earlier, not gonna bother checking 
), people figured out what 0s and 1s you need to build a little monster. This resulted in programs like PokeGen, where you can easily generate (or "gen" as it will be commonly called) a Pokemon with whatever moves, abilities and stats you want with the click of a button. I really cannot overstate how simple this process is. Naturally, this is a big help for people really serious about battling: no need to bother with all that tedious catching, training and breeding of perfect Pokemon, you can just cheat and get them instantly. Of course this goes against the spirit of the series and the fairness of the competition, hence the rule against manipulated mons. And surely TPC with all its money and influence is very serious about checking and enforcing this rule, right? 
Well, no. In its usual incompetence, TPC did little to nothing to inspect for manipulated mons. Aside from checking if your Charizard has Hydro Pump, they really didn't care. And without punishment, people started cheating. A lot. Here is someone analysing teams from last year showing just how widespread cheating had become, especially in the West:
Note that these checks could easily been done by TPC itself to stop the most obvious offenses, but they choose not do that. Until this year. 
TPC, in a move I can only assume was sheer coincidence, actually realised that as part of their relatively new Pokemon Home service (a storage for all your Pokemon to move them between games), they 'tag' Pokemon that have been stored. Among other things, this tag can tell if a Pokemon had its stats changed in an impossible way since Home last saw it and, perhaps more importantly, it also shows that any mon that would require a transfer through Home (such as those only available in older games) yet lacks a Home tag was obviously injected into the game through illegtimate means. And for once, they actually used the cowtools at their disposal to check for cheating. And the result was LOTS of top players getting disqualified.
The drama or "what do you mean I can't cheat?!" 
Now in any other game, you'd think that cheaters getting ousted is a good thing and the community would celebrate. But not in the VGC community. Almost 20 years of almost completely punishment-free cheating have made the practice so widespread and accepted, players actually grew entitled to it. Here's one demanding respect for his noble non-effort:
most prepared VGC player:
Well that's silly, surely there are more reasonable takes. Ah yes, this looks better.
I tried trading for the mons with a reputable trader, but the mons didn't pass
Here's the paste I was gonna use, sorry y'all. I'll do better next time
Just calm acceptance, surely a role model for the com-
We know that Pokémon can't do this with the primary genning method being a third party software.
A bunch of people sympathetic towards cheaters because, you know, they paid money to be there and stuff and obviously nothing is their fault 
I honestly feel awful for the people who spend $1000s to compete at Worlds to then just get DQ'd.
Some true competitors display a real sigma grindset and try to get legit mons at the event at the last second:
(this is not actually the context of this image but it popped off and is funny so there you have it 
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Now as people kept bitching about being disqualified and it started to cause a fuss on twitter X, naturally a lot of more casual observers became involved. And of course, those more casual observers saw people cheating, saw they got disqualified and started to wonder just what exactly the problem was here? Isn't this supposed to happen? Our brave competitors were quick to adapt of course - they needed a justification. And they found one in accessability. Clearly, expecting people to actually go through the effort to catch and train your mons legitimately is totally unreasonable:
Expecting people to put some time into their hobby when they're trying to be the best in the world?! Oh the audacity! 
Aside from the time investment, a bunch of people also tried to argue that's it's just way too expensive to compete. It costs like, 200 bucks a year. Who can possibly afford that for a hobby?
But again, people quickly pointed out that a person buying tickets to fly to tournaments all around the world can probably also afford to actually buy the fricking games they wish to compete in 
and that the Pokemon games have made it increasingly easy to build a competitive team. Gone are the days were your IVs (your Pokemon's genes, basically) were set in stone. Every game throws more shit at you that makes catching and training mons in exactly the way you want more and more accessible. But our brave cheaters have an answer to everything:
Note: Shininess makes a Pokemon have an unusual color and is completely irrelevant in battle. 
While I'm sure this person included this in jest, it's still very funny to include it in your super serious list to justify cheating.
And if all else fails, there's always one completely bulletproof defense - "who cares lmao" 
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I would say cheaters getting banned is a very good look for any game, but that's just me. 
Yeah man who cares that training and building your team is supposed to be part of the competition. He clicked the buttons so shut up. 
No blunder not you too I actually really like your content 
Though he hasn't played an actual mainline game in a decade so it's expected I guess 
Though that last post raised an interesting point, which others also noticed - you could get disqualified for using a Pokemon someone traded with you, not knowing it's illegitimate. But how could this happen? Surely there's a way for you to check if your Pokemon is legit? Surely TPC would prohibit these trades and use the same checks it uses for tournaments to also check mons ingame?
As it turns out, TPC in their endless incompetence just tells people to not use one of the core features and selling points of the franchise - trading:
Just a little side note to keep you updated in the stellar performance of TPC to do anything.
Side drama
Not content with only one dramatic event, TPC really raised the bar this weekend by also failing to properly set up their consoles, leading to disconnects and sudden deaths. 
And to top it all off, at the end of the event they announced the location for the world championship next year - HAWAII 
Aside from people feeling it is somewhat poor timing, it also lead to a sizeable donation from TPC to the hawaiian recovery. Of course, this also invited the usual suspects to tell people to boycott the event because the natives hate tourism and it ruined their island and imperialism and all that stuff. You know the drill, typical twitter lefty stuff. Not really unique to Pokemon so I don't wanna get into it. Knock yourself out if you really care.
Conclusion
/vp/, 4chan's Pokemon board, summed it up like this:
In my personal opinion, this is a good move. While I sympathise with the people who really only care about battling, the fact of the matter is that Pokemon games ship as monster catching, training and battling games. The first two aspects are kind of a big deal. Gotta catch 'em all is the fricking tagline (or was). If you truly don't enjoy these aspects, that's too bad. Pokemon Showdown is a pretty popular Pokemon battle simulator. Just play there if you don't want to bother with the rest. Of course, then you lack the prestige of the official Pokemon world champion, but guess what? If you want to be the best Pokemon trainer, you need to actually train your Pokemon. That's the fantasy these games are selling. Deal with it. 
PS: This was my first effortpost, be nice. 
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Fantastic effortpost
Generating perfect pokemon seems very similar in concept to using printed proxies for rare/pricey cards in trading card games like MtG and YGO, although the general opinion of doing that in those communities is the complete opposite where it's heavily frowned upon for official tournaments. That's despite it being far more expensive and tedious to assemble an ideal deck compared to just grinding in a children's videogame for a few days.
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Yes, many people made that comparison in these twitter fights too.
They also pointed out that a competitive TCG deck is probably more expensive than buying the Pokemon games.
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Probably nothing. It absolutely is. My old modern deck was probably around $1k
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kill urself lmao
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My standard mono red aggro deck comes in under $100.
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paying money for standard is peak r-slur g*mer hours, the only way to play standard is to get the most streamlined tardrage aggro deck you can find and make all of the players who play rare/mythic piles piss their pants
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can you explain what this means
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Not MtG but:
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Sorry, you were saying something?
That's just my standard paper deck, it's cheap and beats the Sheoldreds which are so popular right now. I have other more expensive decks too for other formats.
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R-slur with a $900 piece of cardboard.
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It's not even in the top 3 most expensive cards I own, it's just what was within arms reach of me when I read your misinformed comment. Who's the poorcel now?
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Didn't she get fired for being slightly right-of-centre?
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Ohhh yeah the hobbydrama peeps discussed it
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Yep.
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is monored even good into sheoldred? if you dont kill the sheoldred deck before they slam her t4 she just blocks your biggest attacker then heals them out of lethal range for the rest of the game
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Nahiri's Warcrafting is pretty good against Sheoldred, it's 3 mana and gets rid of her before she gets a chance to block unless your opponent has counters. It just costs your 2 of your own life from card draw as you have to wait until your own turn as it's a sorcery and not an instant. You have to play 4 of them in your main deck though to ensure you have it up when Shelly comes down, and the card has limited utility otherwise (can flip Invasion of Tarkir but that's about it). It all also depends on whether you're on the play or on the draw, if you're on the play the deck is pretty decent against it, if you're on the draw it's quite meh, but that's a "feature" of mono red against pretty much everything.
If anything seeing Atraxa is far far more of an "It's over" than Sheoldred for the deck.
But yeah, if it gets to turn 6+ you're screwed against her. I've scooped in games where I had like 18 health and my opponent had 4 just because I ran out of gas and loss was inevitable from that point onwards.
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Post your rolex
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Don't own a Rolex. That's a watch that poor people think rich people wear.
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Post your watch
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WHOA - IS THAT ISLAND??????
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Not just any Island, that's a Guru Island.
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I have a shitload of old cards that I collected when I was a kid… I'm pretty sure the legacy deck I made is worth well north of $10k
I don't even really play and frustrate the shit out of anyone who does because the new rules confuse me
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lol anti-proxy BIPOCs in MTG can suck my peepee, the secondary market for that game deserves to be fricked through the floor by Chinese fakes
frick you I'm buying counterfeits of every single dual land and whatever other not printed to demand card I need to play casually and WOtC can eat my butthole
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Just draw all your cards yourself like a real chad
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Its because the cards cost money that people care about gatekeeping them. People who play these games are well off losers who want to be able to show off their money but don't have actually interesting hobbies. Dropping thousands on thin cardboard makes them feel special. If they let people accomplish the same thing for free it would completely devalue their hobby.
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Which is all the more reason to support the usage of fake cards.
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it's also pricey in the sense of effort to get some of these bitches. some event exclusives have to be passed from game to game, like getting a victini with celebrate, bolt strike, v-create, and glaciate is only available via region exclusive event back in 2012(?). to complete the emerald dex you needed a copy of frlg and xd gale of darkness, the latter of which required a thorough completion of the game. not to mention the e-reader cards
like theoretically it's possible to have these things, but you better have gotten them a decade+ ago and transferred them each gen.
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I still have a copy of XD with the manual and box lol
I hear they go for like $200-$300 now but that's still the price of like one top-tier MtG card
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They wipe moves with transfers this gen, they've essentially removed every reason to need event mons now.
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Lmao there are like 6 randomly generated hidden stats and the pokemons personality or whatever that all matter. The time it takes to breed and identify a competitive Pokémon is startling. They may have made it easier recently i don't follow this stuff, but it's a huge barrier to entry in the competitive scene.
Mtg is strict on proxies because the entire point of the tournaments is to get you to buy the cards. There's no time involved, you can literally go to a deck building site and just order all the cards as long as you have the cash.
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Just hack in a 6IV Ditto and it takes a couple hours at most lmao
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It's even easier just hack in mints and ability capsules. Skip the breeding step. The games have continuously made these games easier to train, and even cheat, yet these goofy mfs still cry about having to not cheat for a competition.
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back in like 2011 me and a friend got back into playing pokémon cards but we quickly found out just how expensive shit was so we would slam 4lokos and go up to department stores and steal a ton of packs. we finally got busted at a kmart and got arrested for stealing pokémon cards lol.
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The thing is that its not just a few days grinding. The mechanics of producing pokemon with the actual minmaxed statlines involves up to a week of breeding them just to get them to line up... and then add in that you can't breed legendary Pokemon at all, so you have to actually hard reset until the 1 in a billion chance that this legendary pokemon has the right stats AND you can't check without a couple minutes' gameplay minimum just to reset again...
It's infinitely more tedious than deckbuilding, albeit way cheaper. Really what it means is it's impossible to legally use any sort of stat-optimized legendary at all.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but for non-legends, can't you just hack in a 6IV Ditto that produces tournament-legal offspring and makes breeding far more tolerable with no way of getting caught for it?
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Yes, provided you dont need any egg moves or god forbid a combination of egg moves. Its just a complete pain in the butt no matter how you slice it, and again legendaries see plenty of play in general.
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i remember playing pokemon diamond when i was like 12 i choose that fire one in the beginning
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lol monke
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just like me fr
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Good thing that really expensive cards aren't allowed outside of Legacy/Vintage in MTG which are both basically dead formats in paper, which basically keeps deck prices for the formats which are actually played under $2,000 which is reasonable enough to ask for for top professionals.
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I see the moral of the Pokémon anime was soundly ignored
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It really is astonishing. In one of these endless twitter fights, someone pointed out how the people defending genning would undoubtedly be a villain in the show.
Wait, wasn't that the plot of the first movie?
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Neighbor it's literally 1000s of hours of mashing reset and forcibly breeding ur pokemans with slimes to get good GENETICS if you want a "competitive" team
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Playing competitive Pokémon already requires autism so what's a little extra autism
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Don't like it, play something else.
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I saw some video about how dumb the system is years ago and its truly staggering that it was ever devised for a children's game. Obviously kids are never going to actively pursue it, if anything because the game doesn't tell you about any of these hidden systems, but I can't fathom why anyone would create something so convoluted for kids in the first place.
My vague recollection of how it works is that basically every pokemon has 6 stats with a random chance of those stats getting extra points in every stat. Then they also have a nature which gives another bonus to one stat and a negative in another. Lastly you also get hidden points to specific stats for killing specific pokemon in the wild, but there's a limit to how many you can have total, so you don't want to waste them on stats you don't need.
What this means is that in order to get your optimal pokemon, you have to get stupidly lucky and find one with perfect genetics for the max bonus to all stats, then the correct nature to further boost the stat you want while tanking another that you don't care about, then you need to spend hours farming specific pokemon to only raise the stats that you want up to their cap without wasting the maximum points you can earn on a stat you don't need. Lastly, they also need to start with or earn specific moves that are actually good. Obviously this entails hundreds of hours being spent on finding a single perfect pokemon which you then need to repeat for at least 5 more to have a perfect team. But, if you're neurodivergent enough to suffer through all that in the first place, then you'll obviously do it for even more pokemon just to have variety in team compositions for whatever you might be facing.
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You should enjoy the suffering of competitive pokemon nerds because they bring it on themselves. Also the Japanese are insane for putting this shit in a kid's game to begin with.
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I don't know what you said, because I've seen another human naked.
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The neurodivergents at these pokemon tournaments certainly haven't.
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because its not a kids game but kids can play it without issue.
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Don't forget egg moves, plus that legendaries get used quite frequently and can't be bred so you ACTUALLY have to rng them
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The point of IVs/Natures etc. was never for competitive battling, it was to make each individual Pokémon more unique.
Part of the fantasy is that your monster is your monster and is unique from the others. Natures adjust stats in a flavorful way and give a little description about the monster to give kid imaginations something to latch onto (“Mudkip frequently dozes off”).
Kids playing casually could always completely ignore those stats and natures and train any monster because the games have never been that difficult and you don't need optimal Pokémon to beat the game.
I think when competitive Pokémon started, game freak just wanted people to train up their teams without doing anything special.
Sweats have to be optimal though and it did used to be legitimately insane/impossible to get a perfect mon so the hacking culture became big.
It's a lot easier now (maybe one week to legitimately create a complete competitive team in game) but enforcement has never existed so it persisted. And if you can spend a week practicing battles and tweaking your team instead of actually raising the team, then you are getting an advantage.
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Darn, you're really mad over this, but thanks for the effort you put into typing that all out! Sadly I won't read it all.
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It is absolutely insane, all the completely unnecessary shit for a game series where every single game can be defeated effortlessly by taking the first pokemon they give you and just walking through everything mashing a
The contrast between the insultingly easy baby's-first-game actual games vs the nonsense in the competitive scene is baffling
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Who says you have to be the one doing that shit? Hire third worlders to do it for you. Who knows, "pokemon breeder" might actually become a legit job in the DRC in 5 years's time.
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not really anymore, you can make most pokemon optimized in an hour or so. The tera shards or w/e are stupid to grind for, and theres still no way to easily change to a trick room iv spread, but ivs/evs/nature are stupid easy this gen, at least.
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good, anybody who's enough of a manbaby to play a kids game competitively deserves endless hours of suffering
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Rules and gatekeeping are good, actually.
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it is r-slurred tho. I don't care about pokemon neurodivergents getting btfo by rules being enforced but the way it works makes no sense, within the context of the games either. for example, you would think you could bring your pokemon you started with into an online battle (it's your starter and "friend", as the game's lore would go), but just playing the game normally will irreparably change its stats for the worse for some reason. and thats not even taking into account the other variables with each one. idk if they have changed that by now tho. but my point is, breeding like 80 different charmanders just to get the one with perfect stats doesn't seem in the spirit of the game either.
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I'm not sure when it was introduced, but the accumulation of random effort values (EVs) in your casual playthrough could be reset for a long time now. And there have been so many QoL additions to make breeding and training perfect mons really easy. If this was still gen 3 or 4 or something I would be much more inclined to agree because some of these hoops were ridiculous, but noways it's really not a big deal. Even really niche stuff like 0 atk 0 speed mons.
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if that's the case than pretty dumb on the players parts here, i guess this would have been gen 4/5 i'm talking about. just thought it was r-slurred back then
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Gen 3 added the berries which lowered evs to zero
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Pokémon is my favourite eugenics simulator
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lmao that's basically what it seemed like. just keep making them and disposing of the shit ones. don't get why it was ever in a kids game to begin with, as other posters said. i mean you'd think they would want kids to play their game and be able to do an online battle without getting btfo by some gigneurodivergent who spent 40 hours getting his perfect pokemon
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holy autism
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…and grinding 'mon the legit way is straight eugenics. No bonding between trainer and team at all.
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That's r-slurred
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!effortposters !g*mers
Check this post out, competitive Pokemon starts enforcing rules, cheaters in shambles.
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I love g*mers getting shit on for any reason whatsoever.
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I'm with the cheaters on this one mostly because of how mindnumbing it seems to have to grind for pokemon
when the competition isn't even happening 
lol
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Which is why the next winners will be even better at hacking in the Pokemon or will make bot to play the game for them.
Someone already did this for GBA Pokemon for some shiny Pokemon
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With as popular as pokemon is there is no way there won't be a comprehensive tool to get around any known method of cheat detection. Competitive play for anything like pokemon without cheating is extremely stupid though. I 100% support cheaters in this case. If they want to have a chill time where the kids play with their pokemon teams. Then give out participation trophies and have some sort of power/skill based matchmaking without making it a competition.
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The best way to fix it so its actually playable by kids and not exclusively by freaks would be to set it up so these competitions completely wipe out all EVs and IVs so the game just plays the way the game tells you it does
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IVs and EVs are what killed my dreams of becoming serious about pokemon tournaments as a teenager and that is a good thing
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If you can add the home tags like another person said, you don't even need to write image processing robots to physically interact with the games.
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The first pokemon game I played was Yellow and the last was Diamond so I'm out of the loop, but it can't cost that much to buy an old original DS and select old games and just daisychain-trade hacked pokemon into the current gen
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Thought the same, but apparently newer gens are way less tedious to grind on, so frick these tards
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Look this sounds like a competitive proxy to find the biggest neurodivergent. If you lack the single-minded determination to burn that time, or git gud at cheating, why should I even care?
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Nintentards truly are another species to be this dumb, or they just lack any moral fiber and think rules don't apply to them
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Reminded me of this
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The fault is in the cheaters because they got themselves caught, with PKHex it's easy to make genned mons indistinguishable from legit ones
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Yes that's the ultimate irony of it all - they could have just done a better job cheating. Even a home tag is pretty easily generated if you inject properly. But honestly, I think just seeing people get DQ'd for once will be a big deterrent. They put the fear into the scene, I'm sure plenty will think twice before trying to pass a gened team off as legit at big tournaments
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Was gonna say, I've only used hacked mons to do stuff like starting with charmander when playing through gen 4, but I clearly recall there being guides on how to make them look legit.
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Can't you just make a flawless mon and then breed it once to get perfectly valid offspring
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Excellent effortpost btw, very nice
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