Prison Abolition drama as the rats cling to the sunk ship

"I won't answer the most obvious 101 questions about my fringe ideas" is such a perfect summation of US leftists

except it's not

I can't believe college academia is still taking this shit seriously. I'm having to take a 100 level Geography class where an entire week was spent on prison abolition. In a Geography class.

admitting you dont take racialized ans black women seriously on the same account you use to simp for kamala harris is crazy work

it's amazing how all you need to dismiss something is a bullshit four panel caricature with no attribution d

It's not a caricature, it was drawn by this person

it's weird how you assumed I was talking about the art

You called it a 4 panel caricature. It's not a caricature because the artist isn't exaggerating anything. You were talking about the arte when you mentioned "4 panel caricature"

it's always very funny when people tell me what I meant by what I said. if you don't have anything other than intentionally misunderstanding me, be on your way

"can't believe people ever took this seriously" says guy who never actually listened to what people had to say about it in the first place

I was at many, many, many BLM protests

The best one was where instead of prison your family member's murderer takes their place in your family as penance. Your brain has to be mush to think that's a good idea.

still can't believe people take the criminal prosecution system that capitulates to dripping charges against the new god king seriously

i think it's good to lock up murderers

A 2 month old was murdered by police but yeah glad we stopped caring

I'm glad we have prisons to put those murdering cops in

this, quite notably in fact, never happens. which is kinda a central tenet of prison abolition, yet another thing that scares you because you don't understand it. frickin dork

If there is a silver lining to be found in all of this is that the Bernie/Warrenworld left is dead and buried. Nobody will ever take student loan forgiveness or withdrawing from long term wars or progressive stimulus or antitrust seriously again and good riddance.

all of those things are good and will survive

i prefer not to give government handouts to kids earning 3x the median salary just cause they're angry they can't afford a yacht

In 2019, NYTimes did a fawning, unintentionally hilarious profile of a prison abolitionist who responded to such questions - from children - by citing Spain, a country that very much has prisons - the kids walk away unimpressed - she later takes unearned credit for "lifting" them

They put George Floyd in a golden casket while everyone else had to watch their grandma get buried on zoom. Obama was there and everything. Kamala was bailing out random murderers. Genuinely don't know why you were surprised.

Progressives believe all sorts of stupid stuff. Many of them still believe that a man can become a woman.

:m#arseytransrentfree:

We should have lighter sentences for all crimes across the board.

This reads very plainly as a right wing satire. Stunning to think it was made in earnest

My favorite part of her book is where she said she was opposed to even putting murderous white supremacists in prison.

it's not a dream, it's a better world. guess you are satisfied with how things are; and with a cushy job and platform why wouldn't you be?.........

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The legal system is fricked, yet there's few things more likely to get people to defend it and the cops' part in it than leftists prevaricating about how they want to tear it down and what they'd replace it with. Or the motte and bailey arguments they always use: 'You think defunding the police is dumb? You must want them to shoot babies!'

:#marseyitsallsotiresome:

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The problem is they don't have a good system to replace it with. It'd be wonderful to replace cops and the prison system with something where there was no chance of innocent people being incarcerated or killed.

But every suggestion fails to account for human's predilection for selfishness or the amount of money and idea buy-in that won't be there.

Prison abolition is like step 7 in the socialist utopia and they can't even get to step 1.

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I enjoyed Freddie de Boer asking a bunch of prison abolitionists what they would do with Derek Chauvin, knowing that it would get them saying what they'd do to an irredeemable monster in society. One idea was essentially slave labour for life and if he stepped out of line anyone had the right to murder him.

Prison abolitionists and police defunders are the highest level of luxury belief, and it's only spouted by naive idiots and grifters.

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"Even Derek Chauvin?" is the corollary of "even George Floyd?" and makes them seethe just as much

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>One idea was essentially slave labour for life and if he stepped out of line anyone had the right to murder him.

That was the one he awarded the contest money to for the "best" abolition-based idea (though he clarified that he still thought it was an r-slured idea). All the other ideas that were pitched were even worse which is just hilarious and I want to read them.

:#marseygiggle:

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The abolitionists and defunders are more foolish, cuz even the Rev. Al Sharpton calls bullshit on their ideas

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Never heard of him, but he's got an interesting substack even though I don't agree with him :marseyreading:

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I read his book about how school performance is mostly driven by selecting good students and how we should accept that intelligence is highly driven by factors beyond our control. Pretty good stuff up until the point where he goes "and that's why we need communism".

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They constantly bounce between "you'd just have to learn to live next to murderers" and "we'll have mobs who kill people who step out of line", and after the elections there was a healthy dose of "we can't have socialism without purges" among self proclaimed leftists.

The only way these ideas can make sense in these people's heads is if they believe most jailed people are there unfairly, like for weed and prostitution, and everyone opposing them is doing so out of pure hate, and not simply a different idea of what good governance is.

Which, honestly, is probably what they think.

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human's predilection for selfishness

You don't even need to make a statement this strong. If humans are free, they are capable of doing bad things, so how do you respond to that eventuality?

You can argue forever about whether humans are innately selfish, or innately anything. But it's very difficult for the abolitionist to argue all humans are innately good and peaceful.

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I want to defund the police because I'm not paying a bunch of fat Mexicans to sleep in a car and make 350k a year.

If there was a way to automate it with drones I would be totally fine but it would require that the drone strikes can be performed with bullets and not bombs

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