Prison Abolition drama as the rats cling to the sunk ship

"I won't answer the most obvious 101 questions about my fringe ideas" is such a perfect summation of US leftists

except it's not

I can't believe college academia is still taking this shit seriously. I'm having to take a 100 level Geography class where an entire week was spent on prison abolition. In a Geography class.

admitting you dont take racialized ans black women seriously on the same account you use to simp for kamala harris is crazy work

it's amazing how all you need to dismiss something is a bullshit four panel caricature with no attribution d

It's not a caricature, it was drawn by this person

it's weird how you assumed I was talking about the art

You called it a 4 panel caricature. It's not a caricature because the artist isn't exaggerating anything. You were talking about the arte when you mentioned "4 panel caricature"

it's always very funny when people tell me what I meant by what I said. if you don't have anything other than intentionally misunderstanding me, be on your way

"can't believe people ever took this seriously" says guy who never actually listened to what people had to say about it in the first place

I was at many, many, many BLM protests

The best one was where instead of prison your family member's murderer takes their place in your family as penance. Your brain has to be mush to think that's a good idea.

still can't believe people take the criminal prosecution system that capitulates to dripping charges against the new god king seriously

i think it's good to lock up murderers

A 2 month old was murdered by police but yeah glad we stopped caring

I'm glad we have prisons to put those murdering cops in

this, quite notably in fact, never happens. which is kinda a central tenet of prison abolition, yet another thing that scares you because you don't understand it. frickin dork

If there is a silver lining to be found in all of this is that the Bernie/Warrenworld left is dead and buried. Nobody will ever take student loan forgiveness or withdrawing from long term wars or progressive stimulus or antitrust seriously again and good riddance.

all of those things are good and will survive

i prefer not to give government handouts to kids earning 3x the median salary just cause they're angry they can't afford a yacht

In 2019, NYTimes did a fawning, unintentionally hilarious profile of a prison abolitionist who responded to such questions - from children - by citing Spain, a country that very much has prisons - the kids walk away unimpressed - she later takes unearned credit for "lifting" them

They put George Floyd in a golden casket while everyone else had to watch their grandma get buried on zoom. Obama was there and everything. Kamala was bailing out random murderers. Genuinely don't know why you were surprised.

Progressives believe all sorts of stupid stuff. Many of them still believe that a man can become a woman.

:m#arseytransrentfree:

We should have lighter sentences for all crimes across the board.

This reads very plainly as a right wing satire. Stunning to think it was made in earnest

My favorite part of her book is where she said she was opposed to even putting murderous white supremacists in prison.

it's not a dream, it's a better world. guess you are satisfied with how things are; and with a cushy job and platform why wouldn't you be?.........

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>females campaigning to protect and release violent criminals, murderers, male feminists, child molesters

:#marseymanysuchcases: :#marseymanysuchcases: :#marseymanysuchcases: :#marseymanysuchcases: :#marseymanysuchcases: :#marseymanysuchcases: :#marseymanysuchcases:

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It's unsafe on the streets

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Would you like to sign my petition to reduce prison terms

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Foids love r*pe and murder so long as it's happening to other foids. Moids aren't the ones fapping to SVU

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Foids are the BIPOCs of gender. Juat like BIPOCs are incapable of foresight and accountability, so are foids.

Does that make BIPOCettees double BIPOCs?

Yes. :#marseypennygenocide:

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BIPOCettees double BIPOCs

Double BIPOCs, or BIPOCs2

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Aka QuadPOCs :marseybeingnerd:

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Woman is the BIPOC of the world

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Reminder that South Korea essentially uses Yuropoor laws for s*x crimes and it causes massive seethe every time someone gets caught doing s*x crimes and getting off with essentially a slap on the wrist.

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THAT KINDA EXPLAINS THE FEMINIST CHAOS IN THERE HONESTLY... EUROPOOR LAWS ARE ONLY MADE FOR VILLAGE RAPSCALLIONS, COMPLETELY FALL APART IN AN ACTUALLY MODERN COUNTRY (GAY KOREA)

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The frick who is making lackadaisyJaks

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>The frick who is making lackadaisy-ACK!!!

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>YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HONEY, ITS A RITUAL TO SUMMON LUCIFER SO I CAN HAVE SOME S*X IN THE CITY

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There was a week in the 2010s where every NPR podcast I was subscribed to :marseypaperbag:pushed a think piece about prison abolition.

I was a simple lib :marseybikecuck: and it was actually a political awakening for me because it was so r-slurred.

Thank you npr :marseyembrace:

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NPR is fascist chud propaganda according to /r/NPR

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So I've heard :#marseyxd:

Trump really did change everything

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WE'RE SO BACK, Y'ALL

:marseytrumpwe#reback:

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Here's the comic for those who wanna read coal

https://www.tumblr.com/keplercryptids/190538160737/whos-left-mariameprison-abolition-by-flynn

TL;DR

  • rich white men are the real criminals

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17327329425935235.webp

  • prisons are bad because male feminists r*pe other inmates (so we should free all the male feminists)

  • I don't need an actual answer because I have the power of friendship

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I don't know what a world without prisons will look like

It will look like a very very armed populace with someone just 'wishin a neighbor would'. I would start buying guns like Dale Gribble if I thought prison abolition had even a snowballs chance in heck

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God that would be so fun. Domestic mercenary is a dream job

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I'd kill so many prison abolitionists lmao

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Yeah, it's not difficult to imagine: it'd be anarchy.

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>Abolishing the state's monopoly on violence

Insane lobertarians 🤝 Turbo-wokeists

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Crime would go down because all crimes would be subject to instant sentencing (death by neighborhood militia)

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Dont forget the same people also usually want to ban guns.

Fine by me, we'll just being back phalanxes against chimp-outs

:#marsey300: :#marsey300: :#marsey300:

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How are they going to ban guns though, what are they going to do to me if I shoot criminals with guns, put me in prison? They abolished those LMAO 😂🤣

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they'll send black women to scold you

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Force you to go to restorative justice discussion groups (aka drive you to suicide) i guess

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It will fundamentally transform our relationship with other people

Yeah, because now you can't be certain that guy isn't a thief, male feminist, murderer or serial killer :marseythumbsup:

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You can't be certain of that right now. Ask any woman, they'll tell you why the bear is the better option.

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So women are trying to make reality fit their headcanon, as per usual? :marseysurejan:

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Ooo look at mr "facts and logic :marseyshapiro:" over here trying to deny that yeah men are pretty awful

#YesAllMen

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It transforms your possessions into his drugs, and your neghole into his pozz ground

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>It doesn't make sense to answer ['what will you do with the bad people'] because there are bad people who have not been incarcerated

reasoning skills of a toddler. You would think these social justice people would know how to write a legible sentence

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The inevitable result of spending decades in an academic bubble

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Asking what will will we do with dead people makes no sense because there will always be more dead people

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>"There are bad people who haven't been incarcerated"

>their illustration of this is someone being cleared of their charges, which means they likely didn't do it

Why wouldn't they say "off on technicality" or "the glove didn't fit"? Why would they pick something that completely ruins their point aaaaaaaa

Maybe I'm expecting too much of prison abolitionists

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Plus "Net worth 1.5 million" as if that's some unobtainable, scrooge mcduck level of wealth

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That's "i own a pizzeria and a fishing boat" wealth.

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or a house and a 401k

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Please give me then BIPOC to my venmo :#platyrich:

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Or an admission of guilt

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These are posed as questions about safety but are mostly based in fear of the Other.

When you realize that the definition of "the Other" is just "those who are not the Self," saying something is based on "fear of the Other" is a total non-argument.

Anti-fascism is based on "fear of the Other" (with the "Other" in question being fascism). If you are anti-fascist, you are driven by fear of the Other.

This isn't a bad thing, of course. Fear of the unknown is a near-universal human trait for a very good reason.

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>safety from what

I know these spergs would just reply with a :marseylongpost: about how its only capitalism's fault that crime exists and prison abolishment is only the first step and yadda yadda yadda communism (curious that they nevertheless campaign on prison abolishment, not loudly on communism....), but this is such a hilarious glimpse into how actually sheltered these people are.

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they change their tune real quick when you ask them what should happen to people who misgender others or say the n word

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These are people who have anxiety about everything, yet blame other people's anxiety on being a bigot.

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I know none of them know what actual fascism is about, but it's hilarious because Fascism is also based on "fear of the other"

:#marseyhorseshoe:

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Net worth $1.5 million

LMAO is that supposed to be a lot?

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>leftoid comic "artist" and political grifter has no real-world experience

:#marseypikachu2:

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UNIRONIC POWER OF FRIENDSHIPISM IS THE COALLIEST, DARKEST BRIMSTONE HERE...

SAYING THAT >i have more friends than u

TO PROVE A POINT, IS LIKE SAYING THAT GROUPTHINK BEATS OUT ANY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL

CONGOLESE VANTABLACK BRIMSTONE STRAIGHT FROM THE DEPTHS OF BIPOCHELL! :soyjakcobson:

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Until proven otherwise, it's safe to assume the dream for any prison abolitionist is to watch kiddy porn and stalk kids at the mall without fear of jail or prison time

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>mfw this also abolished prison time for larping as a Mossad agent and committing vigilante justice with a little .22 pistol in public

:#marsey57:

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The legal system is fricked, yet there's few things more likely to get people to defend it and the cops' part in it than leftists prevaricating about how they want to tear it down and what they'd replace it with. Or the motte and bailey arguments they always use: 'You think defunding the police is dumb? You must want them to shoot babies!'

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The problem is they don't have a good system to replace it with. It'd be wonderful to replace cops and the prison system with something where there was no chance of innocent people being incarcerated or killed.

But every suggestion fails to account for human's predilection for selfishness or the amount of money and idea buy-in that won't be there.

Prison abolition is like step 7 in the socialist utopia and they can't even get to step 1.

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I enjoyed Freddie de Boer asking a bunch of prison abolitionists what they would do with Derek Chauvin, knowing that it would get them saying what they'd do to an irredeemable monster in society. One idea was essentially slave labour for life and if he stepped out of line anyone had the right to murder him.

Prison abolitionists and police defunders are the highest level of luxury belief, and it's only spouted by naive idiots and grifters.

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>One idea was essentially slave labour for life and if he stepped out of line anyone had the right to murder him.

That was the one he awarded the contest money to for the "best" abolition-based idea (though he clarified that he still thought it was an r-slured idea). All the other ideas that were pitched were even worse which is just hilarious and I want to read them.

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"Even Derek Chauvin?" is the corollary of "even George Floyd?" and makes them seethe just as much

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The abolitionists and defunders are more foolish, cuz even the Rev. Al Sharpton calls bullshit on their ideas

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Never heard of him, but he's got an interesting substack even though I don't agree with him :marseyreading:

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I read his book about how school performance is mostly driven by selecting good students and how we should accept that intelligence is highly driven by factors beyond our control. Pretty good stuff up until the point where he goes "and that's why we need communism".

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They constantly bounce between "you'd just have to learn to live next to murderers" and "we'll have mobs who kill people who step out of line", and after the elections there was a healthy dose of "we can't have socialism without purges" among self proclaimed leftists.

The only way these ideas can make sense in these people's heads is if they believe most jailed people are there unfairly, like for weed and prostitution, and everyone opposing them is doing so out of pure hate, and not simply a different idea of what good governance is.

Which, honestly, is probably what they think.

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human's predilection for selfishness

You don't even need to make a statement this strong. If humans are free, they are capable of doing bad things, so how do you respond to that eventuality?

You can argue forever about whether humans are innately selfish, or innately anything. But it's very difficult for the abolitionist to argue all humans are innately good and peaceful.

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I want to defund the police because I'm not paying a bunch of fat Mexicans to sleep in a car and make 350k a year.

If there was a way to automate it with drones I would be totally fine but it would require that the drone strikes can be performed with bullets and not bombs

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We should abolish prisons and replace them with labour camps where they can build useful things like canals and ditches in the tundra.

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Ah yes, like the White Sea-Baltic Sea canal, which had 100,000 workers at the time it was begun

For the uninitiated, it also had 100,000 workers when it was completed

and in 20 months they dug 141 miles of canal

and 100,000 workers all fricking died so they sent an additional 100,000 workers

and in the end it was too shallow to carry freight barges anyway

BUT IT WAS A GLORIOUS ACHIEVEMENT FOR THE PEOPLE :marseysaluteussr:

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They had 100k less criminals though.

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I mean yes, if you count your neighbor who kept parking in front of your walk as criminal. Gulag Archipelag is an eye-opening read and 10/10 HIGHLY recommended

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I would support sending people like that to the tundra camps.

I've already read it which is why I knew of the stupid tundra canal project in my first comment.

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Soylent Green factories. I want to drink murderer sludge and grow big and strong :carpbuff:

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>say BIPOC

>get arrested

>forced to manufacture soylent for the next 20 years

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This is pretty much exactly what they arrive at when pressed.

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Yeah I believe in prison abolition, abolishin prisoner's brains

:gigachad#2:

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The thing is you totally could abolish prisons. Romans for the most part didn't have prisons (it was reserved for political crimes) but they had lots of options to punish people. You just need escalating gradation of penalties starting with monetary penalty, corporal punishment, enslavement and death penalty. Then with death penalty we can have multiple tiers starting with strangulation and ending with crucifixion.

This is probably not what prison abolitionists have in mind

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I've said this before and I'll say it again: corporal punishment works and is a far cheaper and less intrusive option than jailing someone for months/years for non violent crimes.

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Does it? I honestly don't know, if you know a study or something I'd be grateful.

The only modern criminal justice system with corporal punishment I've looked at is Singapore's, and it's in addition to prison time, never a stand alone punishment. They do have super low crime rates, but it's hard to disentangle that from the overall harshness of the justice system, the demographics, the camera coverage, etc.

The guards are trained to do as much damage as possible per cane stroke. They relentlessly practice their technique, get swole, and compete with each other. They switch every five strokes so they can go all out.

The prisoner's flesh is split in 1-3 strokes, they piss and shit themselves by 8. If they pass out, a doctor will check to make sure they aren't literally dying, but it continues.

Max strokes is 24 but even half that will wreck them. Prisoners can't walk afterwards. It's cripplingly painful for two weeks at least, and they spend a month or two face down and immobile. Permanent scars and often permanent pain and other issues.

It's pretty fricked up.

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Yeah the way Singapore does it goes a bit far. I was thinking more in line with the royal navy. The lash also drew blood and left scars but it instilled discipline without permenantly wrecking the sailors.

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bro romans totally had dank holes in the building where they would chain you for being a criminal LOL

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Maybe for processing, but the idea of imprisonment as punishment for commoner/pleb offenders was post-medieval. Even medieval Europe didn't have jails/prisons as punishment for commoners. It was closer to the Roman model.

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ya it was super dank we hotboxin the hole brooo dduuuuude weed lmAOOOO

downmarseyd, stupid stoner. get clean.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/trees/ <--- you have to go back

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I'm for prison abolishment simply because it will ultimately result in the permanent "abolishment" of this idea and many others by proxy.

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Surely no one will ever want prison abolition after seeing the logical conclusion of those beliefs

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People will be proclaiming during and afterwards that it "wasn't true prison abolition"

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Probably true. Retconning your obvious past failures is such as woman coded thing, imo. Any man who partakes in such revisionism loses some of my respect.

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People will be proclaiming during and afterwards that it "wasn't true prison abolition"

Fortunately, with prison abolished, we can just kill them

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I can't believe college academia is still taking this shit seriously. I'm having to take a 100 level Geography class where an entire week was spent on prison abolition. In a Geography class.

>why are gen z men forgoing college compared to previous generations?

:#speechbubble:

:#taylorlorenzcrying:

!slots200

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"Now he has to be your butler"

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criminally underrated

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I'm in favor of prison abolition

Because they should be working on chain gangs :#marseysoutherner:

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Abolish prisons and police

Bring back exile and community based law enforcement where we get a big group of angry people and commit justice at the closest tree

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A better world where chuds roam free?

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I would make a buckbreaking joke here but @sandkwinn has unironically got me worried I make r*pe jokes way too often.

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Just tell them about your plan to lynch shoplifters and ask how that fits in

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"I won't answer the most obvious 101 questions about my fringe ideas" is such a perfect summation of US leftists:

I can't believe college academia is still taking this shit seriously. I'm having to take a 100 level Geography class where an entire week was spent on prison abolition. In a Geography class.:

admitting you dont take racialized ans black women seriously on the same account you use to simp for kamala harris is crazy work:

it's amazing how all you need to dismiss something is a bullshit four panel caricature with no attribution d:

"can't believe people ever took this seriously" says guy who never actually listened to what people had to say about it in the first place:

The best one was where instead of prison your family member's murderer takes their place in your family as penance. Your brain has to be mush to think that's a good idea.:

still can't believe people take the criminal prosecution system that capitulates to dripping charges against the new god king seriously:

A 2 month old was murdered by police but yeah glad we stopped caring:

If there is a silver lining to be found in all of this is that the Bernie/Warrenworld left is dead and buried. Nobody will ever take student loan forgiveness or withdrawing from long term wars or progressive stimulus or antitrust seriously again and good riddance.:

In 2019, NYTimes did a fawning, unintentionally hilarious profile of a prison abolitionist who responded to such questions - from children - by citing Spain, a country that very much has prisons - the kids walk away unimpressed - she later takes unearned credit for "lifting" them:

They put George Floyd in a golden casket while everyone else had to watch their grandma get buried on zoom. Obama was there and everything. Kamala was bailing out random murderers. Genuinely don't know why you were surprised.:

Progressives believe all sorts of stupid stuff. Many of them still believe that a man can become a woman.:

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