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Magic: the Gathering announces they're avoiding printing "Shamans" due to cultural sensitivity issues. This decision is so mind-blowingly r-slurred that even the lib-pilled r/magicTCG realizes how dumb it is.

https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1ivinve/mark_rosewater_on_blogatog_we_are_using_shaman/

								

								

Wizards of the Coast, the company behind Dungeons and Dragons and Magic: The Gathering, has in the recent years been making many ret-cons and modifications to their game due to their majorly left-wing playerbase attempting to cancel every single nerd product they can sink their poorly manicured nails into. This, combined with the unavoidable fact that much of DND and MTG's worldbuilding are based on real-world locations, religions, etc, has caused some seriously hilarious wokewashing of the IPs.

Some hits include, but are not limited to:

  • Having an empire based on the Aztecs, but instead of being brutal imperial overlords with human sacrifice and vicious warriors, they are basically mesoamerican jungle hippies.

  • Having a Wild-West set where, in order to avoid any hint of colonialism, the plane starts out uninhabited. But they wanted to still have Native American representation of course, so they invented a whole new Native stand-in race that comes to explore the place from a different plane of existence.

  • Remaking the art for all of their references to "Rakshasa" (a Hindu-inspired demon) across the board so that, instead of the cool cat-demons they used to be depicted as, they're now depicted as they would be in traditional Hindu art.

  • Renaming lich "Phylacteries" (an amulet they store their soul in) to "Spirit Jars" due to phylactery being etymologically related to Jewish tefillin.

  • Re-flavoring the "Monk" class to not be Asian-adjacent, but rather just any unspecified unarmed fighter, like a Tavern Brawler or a Greek Wrester could be a monk. Actually, this one is pretty cool, I kind of like the idea of a western Boxer being a Monk.

Anyways, the latest entry in kowtowing to the most annoying people in the community is that they announced they are using the creature type "Shaman" less in Magic: the Gathering, due to concerns of inaccurate representation of Shamanistic practices in real-world religions. This has caused quite a lot of stir because the announcement comes alongside the newest set being revealed -- a return to the Asian-inspired plane of Tarkir. Tarkir has a history of including many Shaman creatures, but many have been changed to Druids for fear that they are not "accurate representation" of Shamans.

However, instead of the usual "well, someone might be offended, so I guess it's a good change" reaction to such changes, the main magic subreddit has fully recognized how stupid this decision is, for a variety of reasons.

Wait, isn't there the same issue with Druids?

Well, yeah, but that doesn't matter because Druids are white

In pursuit of inclusivity, we have unincluded cultures from further representation

A comment about MTG going "woke" unironically upmarseyd in the sub

Beyond these specific examples, various people all over the thread are point out how performative and overly sensitive the change is (always have been), as well as many plainly stating the fact that it's strange that you can do whatever you want with Western cultures but non-white stuff is completely taboo to riff on at all.

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Shaman is still a title used in certain religious practices of indigenous communities used around the world today

I love that in Lib-speak, indigenous is the polite word for backward. Euros or east asians are never called indigenous, it's always the semi-tribals living in the fringes.

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Euros or east asians are never called indigenous

Because there are no indigenous euros, chud (except the saami and greenland inuit)

I'm not kidding, the European definition of "indigenous" literally includes "forms non dominant social groups" specifically to exclude... well, everyone else in Europe.

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greenland inuit

Now the burgers want to get those too... :!chudcowboy: :!marseycherokee:

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Which is especially hilarious when you're an ethnically white American. I'm more "indigenous" to Europe than like 25% of the people there.

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Indigenous! INDIGENOUS! Barely even HUMAN!

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I used to bang a shamans daughter and she was east Asian.

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Oh no, she's implanted a psy-op code phrase into your skull that the shadowy shaman cabal will use to activate so you do something fricktarded like sacrifice an entire ferry full of schoolkids because they're demon possessed!

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Nah they only sacrificed goat as it is the best sacrifice. I repeatedly asked about people.

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It starts off with a goat but then ends with a ferry full of school kids.

Thats how they get you

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Was it a "two-legged goat"? Because that's Haitian voodoo slang for human sacrifice.

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Nah, she was hmong and it was all ancestor worship stuff.

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I mean they literally use it in place of the word 'savage'. They would never dream of calling the Germans, Russians, or Japanese 'indigenous'

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This BIPOC doesn't know about the Ainu

:#marseyjewoftheorient:

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diluting the flavor of the Magic IP even more so when they eventually decide to kill it entirely in favor of pumping out 30 new Marvel sets every year there won't be as much push back

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I remember when my middle school banned pogs and magic cards

!genx

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my middle school banned pogs and magic cards ! genx

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Omg how can you take more than 15 minutes to light a cd on fire?!? Women smh!!

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I always thought pogs were r-slurred even when I was a kid. I guess I was just a little advanced for my age.

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My school only banned Pokemon because the foids in charge were concerned that this would lead us into the world of underground dogfighting and cockfights.

Magic and Digimon were allowed though.

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They still ban Pokémon cards. But now it's because kids don't actually play them they just collect them and there's all sorts of issues with Indian giving and other dumb kids disputes schools don't want to deal with.

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I forgot they made pokemon cards. I was already driving and had gotten my first beej (shit was so cash) by the time red/blue came out so I never got into it

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:@poggenocide:

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At least the Marvel set has a hot Storm card

Rare example in modern MTG

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Do they make Marvel cards too?

Trans lives matter

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The mass amount of forcing other IPs into sets every other month plus basically only catering to EDH players has killed magic. This is just the cherry on top.

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I don't know what any of these means, but I agree :marseyagreesuperspeed:

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It started with stuff like Baldur's Gate and Dungeons and Dragons which made sense, but now they addin stuff like the Walking Dead and other nonsensical stuff to it.

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I attack your Fortnite Battle Bus with my Rainbow Dash while summoning Doctor Who (the black one)

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Intergalactic Mecha Warlocks say trans rights!

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lol walking dead makes a lot more sense than my little pony

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That is ADORABLE.

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can i get rarity

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Transformers

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Walking Dead was actually added before D&D, these were the first UB cards..

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I went to a prerelease, a booster draft, and a Type 1 tournament right before COVID and MTG really does seem to be dead now. I had originally quit playing in 1999 and the culture that was around the game then seems to be completely gone, except for the morbid obesity. There were all kinds of store rules made to cater to women and kids, even though there weren't any there. The owners said WOTC required them or they couldn't run sanctioned tournaments. One of the LGSs I went to was even playing Taylor Swift songs all night.

And yet somehow, I had to play against some pervert's degenerate custom playmat and lands, which were basically porn. I guess that's ok, but swearing? Nope. :marseyxd:

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I got this as my custom playmat. It conforms to all store rules while making soys uncomfortable, and it's unsanctioned art which made wizards the big mad

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1740516895CrRUvd5AsDGdFw.webp

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𝐎𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐲 𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐠𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐬. 𝐅𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐈'𝐯𝐞 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐦𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐘𝐮𝐠𝐢𝐨𝐡 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭'𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐲𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐨𝐤𝐞? 𝐀𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐧𝐚𝐲 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐧'𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜?

Trans Lives Matter

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>𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐦𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐘𝐮𝐠𝐢𝐨𝐡 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭'𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐲𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐰𝐨𝐤𝐞

To further draw upon its chuddiness, Effect Veiler (who looks like a femboy) just got an alternate artwork that confirms chesticles, meaning Effect Veiler actually is female. :khazarmilkers:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17404259857LjXkhZa-MqG-Q.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1740425985tQWQAEyZAJzqXQ.webp

YGO :!marseytrain:s have been in shambles since.

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And on the exact same set as the effect veiler alt they made blatant gooner bait like this

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1740430463CpvLoSoAIt8FsA.webp

No trans lives matter

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80084 error: booba not found

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Tbh that could easily still be a moid

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It could be a :marseytrain: with hrtitties :marseysatisfied:

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That could very much be the baggy clothes blowing in the wind. The hand trap Trap could very well still be a femboy.

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that's crazy. i'm crossposting to /r/freemagic

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I remember when White was pretty explicitly Muslim and also the good guys. Times sure have changed.

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!metashit is grandpa Redactor alright : :marseyconcerned:

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!metashit I thought @WootFatigue and @Salamander were married like @Aisha and @houellebecq till he started wimping for @T3D_SIMP

Meant simping but wimping is a better term

I think my own redactor sundowning days are here

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Yeah we're married irl, I just have a humiliation fetish

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wha-

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We're very different. My dementia is all about late 2000s K-dramas.

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My dementia is just 20 years late and contains wyt pipo (gross) instead of slit eyes (somehow still gross)

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Found the guy who never played it in the first 2 years or so after it came out. :marseysmug3:

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Not really no

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:#marseydarkxd: No....

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I think you are talking about Mirrage. Everyone was Muslim. It was Arabian themed.


:chad!black2: :marseybear::marseyrefrigerator:

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I don't think so, this would have been the late 1990s and it was definitely white that were Muslims. They had an Arabian Nights thing going on. The other colors didn't have it.

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arabian nights, unsurprisingly, just had everyone be muslims

white just had a lot of the humans and civilization stuff, so it got a lot of the stuff that was more obviously tracking to muslim civilization: king suleiman (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/6/king-suleiman), moorish cavalry (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/7/moorish-cavalry), army of allah (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/2/army-of-allah), and the banned-from-all-play jihad (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/5/jihad). they also had the only quran quote other than suleiman (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/8%E2%80%A0/piety), but that's because white was "religion"

but other colors had muslim characters too: el-hajjaj (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/24/el-hajj%C3%A2j), ali from cairo (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/36/ali-from-cairo), ali baba (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/35/ali-baba), and sindbad (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/21/sindbad). and any generic looking human character from the set like flying men (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/14/flying-men) or erg raiders (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/25/erg-raiders) clearly has the muslim look.

it was also a pretty small set so little changes matter a lot: green didn't get any muslims (maybe desert twister (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/46/desert-twister) or sandstorm (https://scryfall.com/card/arn/53/sandstorm) but both of those are _attacking_ the characters shown so you could easily argue that shouldn't map to green _being_ those characters), but green only has 11 cards in the set, 4 of which are creatures: an ogre, an efreet, a snake, and a wolf.

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Oh yeah... and IIRC there was a lot of Blue muzzie sorcerer types in my time. :marseyhmm:

4 of which are creatures: an ogre, an efreet, a snake, and a wolf

Can you believe there was a time when half the cards weren't some form of manul?

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Arabian Nights was early 90s. Mirage was late 90s. I stand corrected though, Mirage was North Afrian/Moorish.


:chad!black2: :marseybear::marseyrefrigerator:

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https://media.tenor.com/9qjxRQBVSS8AAAAx/rule762-rule-ignore-shaman.webp

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There must be just one neurodivergent dude who makes these rule gifs on Tenor, right?

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Card game?

:marseyburgers#:

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Why must everything cool be turned into TERRIBLE STRAG SHIT

FRICK YOU LIBTARDS

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Magic the Gathering

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"Monk" comes from Greek "monachos" and translates to "solitary," which is a man who has left the world for religious purposes. Latin stole the word for "monicus."

Ya know "mono" meaning "one."

That's why monks live in monasteries, which also comes from the same etymological root as monk from Greek through Latin.

Keep calling them monks. They can do any type of unarmed martial art.

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Monks are incels, got it

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volcels

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:marseyyugi: :marseypotofsneed: :!marseypotofsneed: :!marseypotofsneed: :!marseypotofsneed: :!angle: :!angle: :!angle: :!marseywitchtriggered: :!marseywizard: :!marseywitch4: :!mtgr: :!mtgb: :!mtgc: :!mtgg: :!mtgu: :!mtgw:

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Undoubtedly

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:marseyagree:

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I summon pot of greed to summon 3 additional cards from my deck!

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Completely unironic modern Yu-Gi-Oh without a hint of irony

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The fact that pot of greed and monster reborn are just about playable in Yugioh2.0 is insane.

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But guys, don't you want to pay 600 dollars for a box of cardboard, with playable final fantasy characters on them,????

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I loved mtg but how the frick do you still play this crap with all of the tie ins and gay stuff. And that one great artist got canned

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All the great artists got canned. But Seb was the GOAT

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I was thinking of Terese Nielsen. Looking over her work there is a lot that I don't love but some of it I find super cool. Seb is great as well.

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Haven't played in years. Miss it terribly. Still watch Legacy cube drafts. That will be the last refuge from the Fortnite cancer :marseydepressed:

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Playing drafts with friends was when my life peaked

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I have no understanding or interest in understanding this Magic: The Gathering thing but the way people miss out the colon in that title infuriates me.

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It's really sad that we stopped naming everything Thing: the Thing. Was one of the best parts of living in the late 1990s.

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I won't miss out on your colon bb

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Oops my bad, only place I missed it too

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Renaming lich "Phylacteries" (an amulet they store their soul in) to "Spirit Jars" due to phylactery being etymologically related to Jewish tefillin.

What? Never heard this one before

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You didn't know Jews stored their souls in Phylacteries?

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I didnt get mine in the mail then i guess

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Sorry mate, you might be a golem (Jewish equivalent of being adopted).

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Lol touche sir

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Even though Jews who care about that don't call them that.

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They need to just replace any description of creatures with preferred pronouns if they are trying to be cultural sensitive

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Alternatively...

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Did you make this?

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Yes but I promise it only took about 45 minutes. Maybe an hour

Or two

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And yet they added this for inclusivity (clearly for fujos and white women weirdos - peep the TOP SCARS on one of the stereotypes btw) which is weird because rather than invest all the time and effort into creating this card art, they could have just printed the word cute twink on a card and given it to every gay player for the same general effect.

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Great post

Should be in /h/traditionalgames

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Druids > Shamen. Also japs dont give a frick.

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Man, that manga was w82spooky4me as a kid.

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>Druids are white

smh another hobby falling for the Great Hibernian Lie

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I thought all this nonsense was over now that Trump won

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lol, don't you remember the first time? Anything extreme lib controlled will go even further in reaction.

Last trump presidency was when they first started this exiling "culturally insensitive" cards thing

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Most nerd shit has been ideologically captured by their creatives sperging out about trump since 2017. They're not going to change.

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>In pursuit of inclusivity, we have unincluded cultures from further representation

It's funny cause it's true. Also OP you missed several recent woke tweakings of the game:

  • Replacing the card type "tribal" with "kindred" since it's offensive.

  • Renaming the "tribal" deck concept to "typal"

  • Renaming Kaladesh to "Avishkar" because of some vague concerns that "Kaladesh" was offensive. At least this was given an in-universe explanation rather than just being retconned.

>Having an empire based on the Aztecs, but instead of being brutal imperial overlords with human sacrifice and vicious warriors, they are basically mesoamerican jungle hippies.

I will grant on this front that they are actually portrayed as expansionistic buttholes, but yeah no human sacrifice themes.

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Renaming Kaladesh to "Avishkar" because of some vague concerns that "Kaladesh" was offensive.

When are they going to have concerns that "Avishkar" might be offensive?

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Im glad I outgrew nerd shit like MTG after college, ffs guys get married, have kids and focus on something useful in your sad existence

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You come back around as your kids get older for something to do.

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I'm just gonna learn to fish or play video games if this is the slop that it's become

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I just play with my shoebox full from nearly 20 years ago with other old people that also have old stuff.

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:marseyayy: CHAD S*X-HAVER OVA HERE


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Doubt these sources for "cultural sensitivity" even know about mtg too begin with

No trans lives matter

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ETB effects should not be printed anymore as they could trigger someone's PTSD :marseyhappy2:

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Forgot to mention how they banned a fricking card generically called "Crusade" for being culturally insensitive but DIDN'T ban a fricking card called "Cathar's Crusade" despite the fricking Cathars being a fricking group who was fricking irl genocided by a fricking crusade. :marseythumbsup2:

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