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We are expanding our vote manipulation monitoring to detect smaller-scale manipulation attempts.

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if reddit got rid of vote manipulation it would die overnight

also there are a lot of jannies in there whining that reddit might take away their ability to mass ban people who comment in nono subreddits

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NSFW Reddit is completely plagued by shameless upmarsey botting and apparently the admins have no idea.

I genuinely can't tell if they're just incompetent or simply prefer the boost it gives to traffic stats.

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If they know they don't know how to stop it even if they wanted to. Reddit leadership and development teams are among the most r-slurred and lazy of all the tech companies. Here's a few of the genius ideas sprung from Reddit brain trust:

  • Do nothing and let OpenAI steal all their comment data for free. OpenAI is worth $157 billion using Reddit comment data.

  • Ban third party apps surely netting them the hundreds of billionsof dollars Apollo maliciously stole from them.

  • Reddit Coin; they couldn't even rug a memecoin properly.

  • Snoovatars. This was not a waste of money and has surely made Reddit billions.

  • Accidentally mass banned hundreds of subreddits testing their paywall technology because they're too r-slurred to test in a sandbox.

  • Announced paywalled subreddits. I thought they made a ton of money forcing users to their app???

  • They still rely on AutoModerator, a python script running on a user account, to do basic moderating tasks instead of integrating it into the codebase.

  • At this point, the only reason old.reddit exists is because they are too r-slurred to disentangle "Reddit" from the legacy codebase. They keep piling new shit on top of it

  • Reddit has a major outage at least once a month. Since January 2018 there has been an outage every single month excluding only Feb 2018, Nov 2022, and Dec 2024. Imagine if Facebook or Netflix was down at least once a month for the past 7 years Start here and go page by page.

There's more but I'm bored. Spez is a lazy r-slur.

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Probably doesn't help that their hiring process is fricked. They care more about politics than anything else, hence the incident when they hired a :marseytrain2: libertarian.

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And tried their best to defend the :marseytrain2: libertarian until they couldn't janny it away. That was peak ':marseytrain2:s hiring more :marseytrain2:s', but notable because they couldn't just change his username and pretend that he was gone like they usually do.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17299120560630205.webp

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The funniest part is when regular reddit goes down, but the deprecated years untouched old version works perfectly

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They still rely on AutoModerator, a python script running on a user account, to do basic moderating tasks instead of integrating it into the codebase.

It's arguably better to have a proper API and implement the behavior modularly (outside the main codebase), as they have it right now.

Probably should port it away from Python, though. I assume they're running the code on Reddit servers?

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I can't imagine running a script on a user account to do simple things like simple content filtering, adding custom flair, and adding announcements to threads is the optimal way to do thing, but I am not a programmer.

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It substantially sandboxes the effects of the code to have it operate that way. The more complex a rules engine is, the more you should isolate its operation via an API that provides the engine with input data, lets it run the rules, and then lets it implement the result.

Rules engines are especially worth sandboxing if they parse user-supplied data. !codecels

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I'm not saying segmenting the codebase is a bad idea, but Automod was basically a hack created by Deimorz 12 years ago to solve deficiencies in reddits moderation cowtools that, instead of seamlessly integrating into the site, they've left as a weird bot-based hack. Like, imagine if Facebook's moderation cowtools were integrated into some porn account profile that ran scripts

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I'm just honestly not sure what I'd do to improve it substantially. I know it sounds dumb, but leveraging the same isolation for user accounts and bots is also more robust than carving out a special API (and corresponding isolation) for Automod.

I feel like software engineer progression is this:

1. Do dumb things.

2. Get obsessed with architectural perfection.

3. Accept compromises, especially when something works fine and actually suits the need well.

The fact that the "hack" has held up for 12 years and seems to continue doing the job fine is an argument for defending it, not ripping it out.

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On the back end, I couldn't begin to come up with an idea. On the front end it should be natively integrated. It's stupid that you have to invite an account to moderate, build a wiki page, and look up a bunch of scripts just to post auto announcements or to get an alert message that a comment was reported. Reddit is a $30 billion company and this is the best they can do.

That's why I say they're lazy and r-slurred. They're too busy coding Snoovatars and new new Reddit instead of actually improving the site.

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Ummm what's the database model associated to comments? That's right, User

If you want an automated comment in a thread what else are you going to use? A comment with no user?? A comment-like model that isn't a comment??? It could take hours to figure out

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Surely to God we can use our brains to think of a more native and intuitive way to enable report notifications that doesn't involve building private wiki pages filled with custom scripts. I don't care how it works in the backend. For users just running a subreddit it's r-slurred that you have to use this weird hack invented by a Reddit user during the Obama admin just to do basic moderation tasks.

I'm saying they're lazy because they've spent the last 20 years outsourcing everything useful on the site to users hacking together shit. You might say "it's smart business sense because they didn't have to pay for it." This would be true if they weren't blowing hundreds of millions in vc funding so spez could play San Francisco tech CEO bro in the process losing so much money that they've had to move hq several times in and out of SF.

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I may not actually believe what I said :marseyhush:

I run into this a lot at work, there's a strong preference for reuse of existing db tables or infrastructure because junior devs exist

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Upmarsey boting cranks up their engagement numbers which looks good to shareholders. They know about it.

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and apparently the admins have no idea.

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if reddit got rid of vote manipulation it would die overnight

At this point I just filter any post with more than 10k upmarseys

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improving our terrorism detection for content shared via screenshots

I hope it's trained on European police statements so that anything resembling actual terrorism "has no terrorist connections".

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It's all mental illness, no terrorism to be seen.

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It's just the mental elf again, if he only had more ping pong tables as a yoof.

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They only found 4 instances of terrorist propaganda so it sounds like they are.

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While the moderators' removal actions do include some political content, the takedowns were in line with respective subreddit rules, did not focus on Israel/Palestine issues, did not demonstrate a discernible bias

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this works because the rules themselves are bias

if a rule says ban all rightoid posting, the mods themselves are not bias in their enforcement

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Upmarseyd, but pleased learn the difference between "bias" and "biased." :marseymoidteach:

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:#marseybiast:

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if you dont like it make your own subreddit (10 times then move offsite)

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Not biased based on what the Chadmins think is reasonable. Says a lot about the state of discourse on Reddit.

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>such as identifying and limiting action to engaged members and evaluating the role of ban bots.

:marseyhappening: whip the jannies already

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FINALLY!

Every time I make a new account I have to block all their bots. Would be nice to skip that whole 10 minutes of work.

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https://media.tenor.com/5IZPqAIZkggAAAAx/lloyd-kaufman-troma.webp

DAY OF THE MOP

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automated ban bots have always been r-slurred, but they're an even worse idea now that reddit is 50% of the hits you get from internet searches

if you look up a topic and see a reddit post about it and feel like commenting on it -- to agree or disagree or simply learn more -- and some janny has deemed it wrongthing, you're banned from another mainstream subreddit that you would actually frequent on your own

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ban bots are unethical because its ai taking bardfinns job away

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Reddit hits were good when reddit was filled with niche content, now I find doing -reddit provides more useful results, reddit answers are wrong, shallow or useless

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totally true, esp for vidya. it's always 3+ year old content that filters to the top

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We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong.

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:marseydealwithit:

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Rember thwose few days after the fricking election where there was fricking nyo astwoturfwing, b-word? That was fricking cwazy

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There was like a twelve hour period on /r/politics where all the jannies were either no longer getting paid by the DNC or crying in their cuck chairs and it was just wall to wall unfiltered shitposting.

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Banning users based on participation in other communities is undesirable behavior, and we are looking into more sophisticated cowtools for moderators to manage conversations, such as identifying and limiting action to engaged members and evaluating the role of ban bots.

What's it been, a fricking decade? I guess it only became a problem once the press started to notice.

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We didn't find any evidence of moderators posting or promoting terrorist propaganda on Reddit, however, we don't have visibility into moderator activities outside of Reddit.

We will continue to collect information, and if we learn more, we will take appropriate action

Lol, because it's soooo hard to infiltrate these groomercords

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Or to read the receipts by the guy who did it and pointed out in detail all the things they deny is happening.

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So they found diddly squat that's great

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Bullet points in Reddit means you need too touch grass

Trans lives matter

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