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Why Do Europoors Live Longer Than "Wealthy" Americans? :soyjakanimeglasses: r/europe Smugness Is Beyond Belief

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The survival rate for wealthy Americans was on par with the poorest people in northern and western Europe, and with eastern Europeans overall.

Poor Europeans can expect to live at least as long as rich Americans, and in some cases even longer, a new study has found.

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Life expectancy data is quite iffy because of gibs fraud

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I'm curious. Please elaborate.

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People hide the deaths of relatives to keep collecting their gibs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogen_Kato

Sogen Kato (加藤 宗現, Katō Sōgen, 22 July 1899 – c. November 1978) was a Japanese man thought to have been Tokyo's oldest man until July 2010, when his mummified corpse was found in his bedroom. It was concluded he had likely died in November 1978, aged 79, and his family had never reported his death. Relatives had rebuffed attempts by ward officials to see Kato in preparations for Respect for the Aged Day later that year, citing many reasons from him being a "human vegetable" to becoming a sokushinbutsu (Buddhist mummy). An autopsy could not determine the cause of Kato's death.

The discovery of Kato's remains sparked a search for other missing centenarians lost due to poor recordkeeping by officials. A study following the discovery of Kato's remains found that police did not know if 234,354 people over the age of 100 were still alive. Poor recordkeeping was to blame for many of the cases, officials admitted. One of Kato's relatives was found guilty of fraud; his relatives claimed ¥9,500,000 (US$117,939; £72,030) of the pension meant for Kato.


https://www.iflscience.com/ig-nobel-prizewinner-debunks-supposed-blue-zones-where-people-live-exceptionally-long-lives-76078

"In 1997, thirty thousand Italian citizens were discovered to be claiming the pension whilst dead. In 2008, 42 percent of Costa Rican 99+ year olds were revealed to have 'mis-stated' their age in the 2000 census and, after limited error-correction, the Nicoya Blue Zone shrunk by around 90 percent and old-age life expectancy plummeted from world-leading to 'near the bottom of the pack'."

this is the real reason explanation behind the r-slurred argument made in the Euronews article

"This is a strong argument that a welfare state benefits everybody [including] those who would consider themselves at least middle class," McKee, who was not involved with the study, told Euronews Health.

In reality, the welfare state increases "life expectancy" because people are being paid to lie about death. Of course, the journ*list doesn't question that because it confirms his biases. The idea that ambient welfare money magically makes wealthy people live longer is obviously absurd

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Italy is famously corrupt, why about the rest of Europe? And what makes you think Europeans on average lies more about this than Americans? Pensions/social security is not unique to Europe.

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Italy, whose numbers are demonstrably influenced by fraud, reports pretty similar life expectancy to its neighbors. There's this accidental :marseynoooticer: in the article that in places with more gibs, even wealthy people live longer. It obviously doesn't increase their access to resources, so there's some other reason for the apparent difference. I am offering an obvious reason.

>And what makes you think Europeans on average lies more about this than Americans?

Europoors get more gibs than Amerifats. When you increase the reward for an activity, people will do it more often.

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Good grief. Imagine the smell as he slowly mummified.

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It only takes minutes in an air fryer.

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Mmmmmmmm! Grandpa-jerky! :#marseychefkiss:

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Yea but that was more common in the past. I highly doubt it's easy to cover up death of a relative now, it's not like you can arrange their bureal and not have the government know it

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Yet here you are, committing sidevote fraud

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Sure, that's a factor, but how much is it skewing the results? :marseyhmm:

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The above quote had Costa Rica finding 42% of people over 100 dead. I would guess it's lower throughout Europe. Historically, it's at least been in the tens of thousands in Italy, and the real numbers could plausibly be in the low hundreds of thousands depending on how competently they've checked for it. If tens or hundreds of thousands are tacking on a few extra decades to their grandad's life, that's probably a noticeable effect. I'm not sure if there's a good way to estimate that with any real accuracy

Again, I can't see any other reason why higher welfare makes even well-off people live longer

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why higher welfare makes even well-off people live longer

Their hospice subsidies make them last longer (as they rot in their little eurobean room). Mayhaps? :marseyshrug:

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:marseyshrug: maybe

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What percentage of people do you think are keeping their dead granny's corpse in the attic? That's going to be less than a rounding error on average life expectancy

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Enough that there's a lot of longevity research debunked based on fraud that has been uncovered. The set of fraudulent claimants is necessarily a supserset of discovered fraudulent claimants

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Those debunked studies are around very localised data though, if the fraud was as widespread as you allege then those areas wouldn't stand out from the rest of the country

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Relatives make sure grandma isn't registered as dead so they can keep collecting her pension.

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Makes sense. This is more common in Europe?

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More gibs in a lot of europe.

Grandma might even have a state-provided house you can sublet.

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