The survival rate for wealthy Americans was on par with the poorest people in northern and western Europe, and with eastern Europeans overall.
Poor Europeans can expect to live at least as long as rich Americans, and in some cases even longer, a new study has found.
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Life expectancy data is quite iffy because of gibs fraud
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I'm curious. Please elaborate.
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People hide the deaths of relatives to keep collecting their gibs
this is the real reason explanation behind the r-slurred argument made in the Euronews article
In reality, the welfare state increases "life expectancy" because people are being paid to lie about death. Of course, the journ*list doesn't question that because it confirms his biases. The idea that ambient welfare money magically makes wealthy people live longer is obviously absurd
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Sure, that's a factor, but how much is it skewing the results?
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The above quote had Costa Rica finding 42% of people over 100 dead. I would guess it's lower throughout Europe. Historically, it's at least been in the tens of thousands in Italy, and the real numbers could plausibly be in the low hundreds of thousands depending on how competently they've checked for it. If tens or hundreds of thousands are tacking on a few extra decades to their grandad's life, that's probably a noticeable effect. I'm not sure if there's a good way to estimate that with any real accuracy
Again, I can't see any other reason why higher welfare makes even well-off people live longer
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Their hospice subsidies make them last longer (as they rot in their little eurobean room). Mayhaps?
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Good grief. Imagine the smell as he slowly mummified.
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It only takes minutes in an air fryer.
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Mmmmmmmm! Grandpa-jerky!
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Italy is famously corrupt, why about the rest of Europe? And what makes you think Europeans on average lies more about this than Americans? Pensions/social security is not unique to Europe.
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Italy, whose numbers are demonstrably influenced by fraud, reports pretty similar life expectancy to its neighbors. There's this accidental
in the article that in places with more gibs, even wealthy people live longer. It obviously doesn't increase their access to resources, so there's some other reason for the apparent difference. I am offering an obvious reason.
Europoors get more gibs than Amerifats. When you increase the reward for an activity, people will do it more often.
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Yea but that was more common in the past. I highly doubt it's easy to cover up death of a relative now, it's not like you can arrange their bureal and not have the government know it
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Yet here you are, committing sidevote fraud
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What percentage of people do you think are keeping their dead granny's corpse in the attic? That's going to be less than a rounding error on average life expectancy
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Enough that there's a lot of longevity research debunked based on fraud that has been uncovered. The set of fraudulent claimants is necessarily a supserset of discovered fraudulent claimants
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Those debunked studies are around very localised data though, if the fraud was as widespread as you allege then those areas wouldn't stand out from the rest of the country
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Relatives make sure grandma isn't registered as dead so they can keep collecting her pension.
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Makes sense. This is more common in Europe?
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More gibs in a lot of europe.
Grandma might even have a state-provided house you can sublet.
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