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r/copeservative has a crisis of faith as they struggle to trust the plan :fellforitagainaward2:

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I don't think this is good policy at all.

I have a fairly robust education in economics, but I'm certainly not an expert. I've tried to keep thinking, "There are some very smart people behind these moves," but this is all making me uneasy. And I think what bothers me the most is that I get the sense I'm not being told the truth. Not necessarily "lied to," not yet at least, but it's like they don't think the masses are smart enough to understand what their reasoning is. So they trot out bullshit stats to justify what they're doing, which people on the right side of the bell curve can easily see through.

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Only reason the U.S. economy grew at all the past five years was because of trillions in new government spending and an associated growth in personal debt powered by new ways to get into debt.

It's all a mirage and I am as guilty as anyone of pretending it was real. But no more.

All the people angriest about Trump's policies are all the people who directly benefited the most from that spending boom that comes at a big cost to future generations.

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/u/One_Fix5763 I hope you go broke, lose your trailer, and spend the rest of your life working for minimum wage in Dipschitz American-Made Widget factory.


Because I'm already stretched thin, and the promise of taxes going down doesn't mean shit until it's passed. As of right now, the company I work for just sent out an email to everyone in the company telling us that because we have a 46% tariff from Vietnam, if it doesn't get dropped that they are going to do even MORE layoffs after they laid off 200+ people not even 3 months ago. They explicitly said that paying the tariffs is STILL cheaper than moving everything back into the US, and I would really prefer not to lose my job when I'm about to get married, buy a house, and have kids.

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I feel for you. Hopefully this isn't long term. I wonder if its all for bargaining agreement. Only time will tell.

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Because apparently the only country that isn't allowed to use tarrifs is the United States.

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:#marseynoyou: makes an incredibly strong basis for fiscal policy


They're "unfair" because everyone else has gotten so utterly used to playing on an uneven field for so long that when it suddenly isn't that way anymore it feels unfair to them.

Their ideologies and the egos tied up therein simply won't allow them accept the idea that we've been competing with them with one hand tied behind our back this whole time.

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This one calls himself a classical liberal. :marseygiggle:


Trump critics (particularly the ones who, if he found a cure for cancer would just complain about him single handedly ruining the pharmaceutical industry) claim that tariffs will only alienate us from allies and cause them to seek other partners, and the cost will just get passed down to the consumer.

They don't get, or conveniently ignore, that the U.S. economy is not dependent upon other countries and that we can outlast them in a trade standoff. As for the "cost passed down" argument, they don't seem to understand that tariffs are temporary and are a means to end to get other countries to do what we want. Yes, it may require us to crack open our wallets a little bit wider for a time, but I think that's preferential to the decline we were on before. This is an attempt to fix things that have been long broken.

Yes, it may make allies mad, but turnabout is fair play. If they're doing it to us, we have every right to return the favor. We can't be subsidizing other countries at this rate while our own debt is already at such a high level.

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These r-slurs literally voted for this and are now complaining lmao.

Meanwhile, I don't think we tariffed enough. More importantly Pizza should have to pay a DC tariff to comment

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:mar#seygem:

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"YES TRUMP IS IN FAVOR OF TARIFFS AND IS A PROTECTIONIST, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN HES IN FAVOR OF TARIFFS AND IS A PROTECTIONIST"

:#soy4dchess:

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fox news is running pieces on how americans need to be ok with suffering like the old days when we were at war.

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YOU VILL NOT EAT ZE BUGS

UND YOU VILL NOT BE HAPPY

we must all consume less slop to make our Heavenly Father Trump be happy

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To be fair, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is good advice.

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We are at war with seething libtards

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im guessing at least 80% of the country isn't cool with paying more for everything they buy and losing their jobs lil bro. and that's gonna playout in the midterms.

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Based if true

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why do we need tariffs actually?

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They're "unfair" because everyone else has gotten so utterly used to playing on an uneven field for so long that when it suddenly isn't that way anymore it feels unfair to them.

Lmao literally the same argument libs use when talking about DEI and privilege

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UNDEFEATED

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It's as true here as it is there. The phrase, by the way, comrade, is:

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

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The biggest motivation of modern rightoids is being annoyed they aren't respect

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The difference here is that there is no historically-disadvantaged anyone, and nobody benefits.

Grand Daddy R breaks it down here:

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"People" with such lack of self-awareness arent even human to me.

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T dramanaught fails to understand the difference between equity and equality

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!nonchuds !antiyts they voted for Tr*mp for :quote:the economy :quote: (misogyny and racism) and he crashed the stock market in less than 3 months :taylaugh: :taylaugh:

Why are yt men so dumb?

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Can we really put a price on owning the libs?

The answer is yes and its multiple trillion

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hey I voted :marseyridin: purely on the sexism :marseyhandmaid:

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We know, that's why y'all need to be castrated

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We need a new McCarthy to get this Juche out of the US.

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Cross the Potomac and nuke DC :marseymacarthur:

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If I were the democrats I would be smugposting about what the punishment for treason is and tagging every trump admin r-slur - from the deputy press secretary to elon

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Ruining all good will America has with every other country is so based actually. You're just too stupid to see where this is going.

:npc#magatalking:

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This but unironically, china shows no goodwill to any countries and actively colonizes them, we should be doing the same

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China is building on 2000 years of insectoid bugman culture that doesn't leave any room for free thought or dissent. Westerners can't match that vibe.

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So much this

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They gave me freaking long covid, China must die

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I'll give you something long

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a long walk on the beach? :marseyflirt#:

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No you are just fat

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China shows plenty of goodwill when it trades with and invests in other countries on terms deemed fair by those countries.

Meanwhile under Trump every agreement comes with the implication (sometimes even explicitly demand) that the US should be allowed to just screw you over a little because they're the big bad US.

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China shows plenty of goodwill

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Yeah, and they think they are doing the world a favor and now everybody owes them.

CCP and its supporters see the world through a hierarchical lense, and they do not believe in fair trade and good will.

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Yes, and nobody has any delusions about this. China knows what it wants, countries know what they get. Maybe having this spelt out is news to you, but that's generally the foundation of a good trade relationship - deals where both sides feel like they're the winner.

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Did you see the part where I said they will now think you owe them? It will not end with a god trade relationship, nor will both side feel like they are the winner.

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>China doesn't believe in goodwill

>China thinks you owe them

make up your mind

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That means they don't see you as partner, but a servant to their designs.

R-slur.

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Well they are free to see whatever they want, what matters are their actions.

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All countries do that. Are you seriously going to argue US doesn't have a hierarchical view of world even leaving aside present admin?

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I'm as anti-commie as the next guy, but China isn't becoming the global hegemon by being a jerk to other countries. They do it by not using their military, thereby convincing Third Worlders that they're a lesser evil compared to the US.

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I'm not saying they're jerks, but the deals they're making are highway robbery and not done in good will

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People also rather just trust China word than attempt to learn their language

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I read some of their social media, web tld some and others were quotes in blogs, its a good thing China is an authoritarian country and proles have no say. WW3 would have started by now otherwise.

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lol, are u asking to be sent to concentration camp literally?

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he has adhd :marseysad:

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Yes?

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!jannies - mark this one for re-education plz

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this comment would maybe break lemmygrad

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actually I think they would just list goodwill things China does :derpprocessing:

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let's make the world more like authoritarian communist china

cuckservatives will say this then call themselves patriots.

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Jewish Lives Matter Less Than Palestinian Lives

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long spiel to explain how American moralism has led to a reality where no one wants to admit the empire exists and its time to remind da world :marseyshrug:

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The involvement in multiple wars, invasions of three countries in last 3 decades etc weren't enough?

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Darn right this about hard peepee cash not soft peepee skills


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What country on Earth has good will towards the USA?

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Have you ever left the USA? People outside of third world shitholes, commie zones and academic spaces generally loved (past tense) Americans.

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keyword: loved

bipoc it's not the 1800s anymore where Washington said that america shouldn't intervene in the foreign affairs of other countries

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And why should I care?

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Statistically, you're probably fat and r-slurred, idgaf if you care you stupid fricking mutt. Keep yourself safe

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Up until about 2 months ago it was every western nation AKA the ones that matter

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Maybe if you stopped sucking your own peepees for even 5 minutes we could show you some love


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I genuinely don't give two fricks what inferior third worlders think of America and I think anyone that does is a massive loser.

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theyre about to be at this phase now

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I've tried to keep thinking, "There are some very smart people behind these moves,"

the levels of cope required to think this at this point are astronomical lmao

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@Aevann @Vegeta rightoid drama

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My magatard buddy thinks that he's planning to crash the economy as a form of 5d chess to lower treasuries to refinance debt

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Would be easier to just audit the fed

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He's quoting a /pol/ post most likely.

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He's too low iq to be a poltard.

He's an Andrew Tate guy

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/r/conservative is fricking hilarious, I don't think there's ever been a more obviously brigaded sub in all of Reddit history that still somewhat pretends its a serious place.

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They are both heavily brigaded and also Trump is giving the Reaganomics philosophy the old yeller treatment so they are going through the 5 stages of grief.

I'm not against tariffs necessarily but it's funny seeing the lolbertarian hogs squeal

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It's actually ridiculous how blatant the brigading is. The site admins consistently pretend they can't see anything wrong, even though every thread is getting absurd amounts of voting activity and every comment is reported several dozen times.

I really don't know why they haven't just left Reddit entirely. Then again, given the choice between that sub and whatever The_Donald turned into... maybe I kinda get it.

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Tariff charged to the USA

They really just don't understand how tariffs work, do they?

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I rarely hear him speak. Is he slurring more than a few years ago?

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This is an old video but I'm not sure. I feel like he does the sexy trump voice like in this clip more than he used to, but I don't know if that's neurological or just pillow talk for his base.

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he's in the Biden stage of life where you don't hear him speak for like six months and when you do you realize how quickly the brainrot is progressing

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Getting old really sucks.

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can't you see that tax structures from Age of Sail mercantilism are good when you stack them on top of sales and income tax?

wait till you see a huge increase in Coast Guard spending to deal with smugglers trying to evade import tariffs at ports

gotta spend money to make money!

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There's a big gap with no fence on the border between Nogales and Sasabe. If I get laid off because of this I might pivot to muling in duty free funkopops by mountain bike.

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make sure you have a waterproof and drop-resistant container to protect the boxes (those are more important than the funkos)

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It just like Death :marseymodernwarfare: Stranding :soyjakwow:

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I learned the art of smuggling through Starsector. Paying a 30% tax is just ridiculous.

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Omg trump is literally the Lion of Askonia!!!!!

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95% of cargo boxes aren't even inspected

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that's because it's low probability / high penalty

example: if you bring in a container of medical grade gloves, they pull one box from the container, run tests on it, and if it doesn't pass then the entire container has to get downgraded to industrial grade

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I still think bypassing tariffs is going to be a huge business

Boom times for criminals globally

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that's why the Coast Guard was invented

I like to imagine Chinese steel smugglers trying to bring in cheap rebar and having a naval shootout

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I still think bypassing tariffs is going to be a huge business

Companies will just lie on the customs value sheets, list it at like 20% value

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