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If you guys did the whole thing, I don't think you would have anything to apologize for. My employment with B&R complicates things, and I think I got caught up in the fun of the moment and put my bosses in an unfair position. I'm not going to over-apologize, but people I trust (not just salty partisans) have rightly pointed out that I inserted myself into the drama and the narrative more than I should have. I'm trying to balance a few things here.
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There's in a sense in which your B&R affiliation does complicate things—because it empirically did in the CW Thread—, but whether it is reasonable for it to do so isn't obvious, and the replies there are much more unhinged than I'd expect. It seems more like they disliked the hoax for <reasons> and then latched onto that as justification. The place seems to have gotten markedly spergier in the past couple months, somehow, and the characteristic rigidity of thought and obsession with 'Truth' is leading to asinine accusations of pooping up the epistemic commons—of course, your whole point is that the commons are already shit-filled, but let's burn the earnest witch that dares admit to it. Maybe we need another war to get the more Continental posters back; the autism ratio is getting too darn high.
Sure, Hlynka is perfectly consistent with his past positions. But iprayiam, who I rather like, returned after months of absence to accuse you of trying to take down LoTT? No offence, but you've nowhere near the temperament to pull that off. You once penned a short novella trying to morally justify a schismatic forum fork—just as much to assuage your own neuroses as to seek community forgiveness, it seemed. In the LoTT hoax Groomercord chats, y'all nearly break frame when challenged by the most basic questions a social engineer would get. And thereby a hyperscrupulous furry is perceived the (accidental?) enforcement arm of the Cathedral. Jfc.
I'd argue you did nothing wrong, even by prevailing Motte/rat diaspora morality. In practice, guess we learned something about the Mottizens. The hoax transcended itself: a community with a founding mythos of cutting through mainstream misperception is now aghast at seeing the mainstream laid bare. Yes, what you did was an abuse of the inherent trust people extend to others. Yes, that trust is strained thin in an atomized society—which is a difficult-to-resolve aspect of liberalism I think you underestimate, e.g. in the Trace v Weed gay marriage series, but I digress. Further, exposing that motivated credulousness probably does marginally degrade trust further yet, though only marginally. However, you produced a mere 0.1% of this year's viral Libs-Doing-Stupid-Shit clickbait. The most compelling case against you isn't consequentialist; rather, it's an argument from virtue and vice. Insofar as any bait is counter to virtue—which all Drama is, at least to classical virtue, and perhaps not at all by modernity's standards—I see no consistent way of holding you out as exceptionally bad. Sorry to see your friends drag you to the pillory.
Yeah, the most interesting revelation that came out of it was who and how many motteneurodivergents are actually culture warriors and lose their shit at someone who "attacked their side". That shit about LoTT standing up against the Cathedral and Trace being a traitorous arm of same was one of the cringiest things I've ever read. I try to give peeps like iprayiam the benefit of the doubt, like, maybe they were brainwashed throughout their lives but still ended in our truth-seeking place, that shows that their love for truth is stronger than my lazy raised atheist butt's, but that thread was quite a revelation, no, they are really fricked in the head in some way.
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Yeah, the most interesting revelation that came out of it was who and how many motteneurodivergents are actually culture warriors and lose their shit at someone who "attacked their side".
I think the most pronounced we always knew, Hlynka was always going to have this take. I am required to put up resistance to the "look at this thread, it shows mottizens have gone off the deep end" when in reality it was like 5 people. But it was embarrassing just how narrow the contrarianism was there.
It truly was a wakeup moment for me for how partisan the sub is at this point, I denied the rightoid infestation allegations until this incident happened
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Tbh I've not been reading cw threads for a while but our comfy telegram group (that became de facto dedicated to the Ukraine war discussion) has been remarkably sane. Except for some hoe bot that liked random posts and never said anything.
Appreciate your thoughts here. I think the core of truth (as @aqouta pointed out) is that I tried to play both jester and chronicler, and there's an inherent tension between the two that's intensified by my b&r role. Gotta find a better balance.
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It may be a lie, but the fact I believed it speaks volumes about my enemies, and not me
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I think this comment is a very smart (or maybe just wordy) way of looking at very stupid and pointless shit.
the characteristic rigidity of thought and obsession with 'Truth' is leading to asinine accusations of pooping up the epistemic commons—of course, your whole point is that the commons are already shit-filled
I think the point, actually, is that the ability to discern concerted misinformation is a skill everyone needs to practice, and lazy people assert that expecting effort is torture, so we are all fuk.
But most importantly, only apologize when you realize you've made a mistake without being told. Once you've been told you can never be sure it was actually a mistake.
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on my own? sure, I basically agree. but I like my bosses and have a job where I should be staying in the background more than becoming the story I had a lot of fun, but my position with B&R complicates things for me.
I'm not sure why you're even playing a support role on BARPod unless it's a stepping stone or just pays well. Or maybe not that exactly. Themotte criticism was excessive and clearly motivated a lot by tribalism but the kernel of truth was that you, and Jesse is like this too, seem like you're mixing two identities that don't work very well for a public figure. Being charitable honest and careful is one way to go. Being fun and trolley is another but they have anti-synergy and it's shocking to people when they're used to one and see the other. Jesse's more careful thought out stuff is discounted heavily because of his constant kerfuffles. If you're envisioning an SSC future you may want to fade a bit into he background on the barpod.
Oh and this all would have gone much better if you credited the op more clearly to rdrama. It's the reputation we want and you probably don't.
If you want to do a little trolling, you should make an alt and just not tell anyone. Better yet, make multiple alts and sprinkle fake personal details into each one.
The issue was not with the trolling (which was legendary) but with the weird apologetic vibe of the article (which is evident even in the title and in the fact the article came out as it did). You should have been mocking tf out of the r-slurs you duped. Barring that you should have said nothing and let LOTT escalate, blaming you or w/e and then you going "lol"
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If you guys did the whole thing, I don't think you would have anything to apologize for. My employment with B&R complicates things, and I think I got caught up in the fun of the moment and put my bosses in an unfair position. I'm not going to over-apologize, but people I trust (not just salty partisans) have rightly pointed out that I inserted myself into the drama and the narrative more than I should have. I'm trying to balance a few things here.
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There's in a sense in which your B&R affiliation does complicate things—because it empirically did in the CW Thread—, but whether it is reasonable for it to do so isn't obvious, and the replies there are much more unhinged than I'd expect. It seems more like they disliked the hoax for <reasons> and then latched onto that as justification. The place seems to have gotten markedly spergier in the past couple months, somehow, and the characteristic rigidity of thought and obsession with 'Truth' is leading to asinine accusations of pooping up the epistemic commons—of course, your whole point is that the commons are already shit-filled, but let's burn the earnest witch that dares admit to it. Maybe we need another war to get the more Continental posters back; the autism ratio is getting too darn high.
Sure, Hlynka is perfectly consistent with his past positions. But iprayiam, who I rather like, returned after months of absence to accuse you of trying to take down LoTT? No offence, but you've nowhere near the temperament to pull that off. You once penned a short novella trying to morally justify a schismatic forum fork—just as much to assuage your own neuroses as to seek community forgiveness, it seemed. In the LoTT hoax Groomercord chats, y'all nearly break frame when challenged by the most basic questions a social engineer would get. And thereby a hyperscrupulous furry is perceived the (accidental?) enforcement arm of the Cathedral. Jfc.
I'd argue you did nothing wrong, even by prevailing Motte/rat diaspora morality. In practice, guess we learned something about the Mottizens. The hoax transcended itself: a community with a founding mythos of cutting through mainstream misperception is now aghast at seeing the mainstream laid bare. Yes, what you did was an abuse of the inherent trust people extend to others. Yes, that trust is strained thin in an atomized society—which is a difficult-to-resolve aspect of liberalism I think you underestimate, e.g. in the Trace v Weed gay marriage series, but I digress. Further, exposing that motivated credulousness probably does marginally degrade trust further yet, though only marginally. However, you produced a mere 0.1% of this year's viral Libs-Doing-Stupid-Shit clickbait. The most compelling case against you isn't consequentialist; rather, it's an argument from virtue and vice. Insofar as any bait is counter to virtue—which all Drama is, at least to classical virtue, and perhaps not at all by modernity's standards—I see no consistent way of holding you out as exceptionally bad. Sorry to see your friends drag you to the pillory.
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we should add an expensive Motte award where you need to write 2000 characters for a day or something
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Yeah, the most interesting revelation that came out of it was who and how many motteneurodivergents are actually culture warriors and lose their shit at someone who "attacked their side". That shit about LoTT standing up against the Cathedral and Trace being a traitorous arm of same was one of the cringiest things I've ever read. I try to give peeps like iprayiam the benefit of the doubt, like, maybe they were brainwashed throughout their lives but still ended in our truth-seeking place, that shows that their love for truth is stronger than my lazy raised atheist butt's, but that thread was quite a revelation, no, they are really fricked in the head in some way.
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I think the most pronounced we always knew, Hlynka was always going to have this take. I am required to put up resistance to the "look at this thread, it shows mottizens have gone off the deep end" when in reality it was like 5 people. But it was embarrassing just how narrow the contrarianism was there.
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It truly was a wakeup moment for me for how partisan the sub is at this point, I denied the rightoid infestation allegations until this incident happened
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The reaction to the invasion of Ukraine didn't tip you off? Some people have completely lost it.
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Tbh I've not been reading cw threads for a while but our comfy telegram group (that became de facto dedicated to the Ukraine war discussion) has been remarkably sane. Except for some hoe bot that liked random posts and never said anything.
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Appreciate your thoughts here. I think the core of truth (as
@aqouta pointed out) is that I tried to play both jester and chronicler, and there's an inherent tension between the two that's intensified by my b&r role. Gotta find a better balance.
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Stop appreciating peoples thoughts
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appreciate your thoughts
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I think this comment is a very smart (or maybe just wordy) way of looking at very stupid and pointless shit.
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I think the point, actually, is that the ability to discern concerted misinformation is a skill everyone needs to practice, and lazy people assert that expecting effort is torture, so we are all fuk.
But most importantly, only apologize when you realize you've made a mistake without being told. Once you've been told you can never be sure it was actually a mistake.
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Tweet nothing but this video
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We love you here, and more specifically i love you (unless you are a mayo or a foid or gasp both)
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fair enough
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I like you
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I apologize for everything because I'm spineless, but on rDrama.. I'm a chad.
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Just lie and say I did it. I run my own company they can't fire me b-word! My clients aren't the type to care about this either
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Why would you even write the article in the first place then? Journos try having one drop of foresight challenge [very hard]
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LLOVE U HUNNY ""IT WILL ALL BE OKAY""" THX; PS. Trans Lives Matter
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who chudded David show yourself
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Never admit fault, double down, insult your detractors.
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Wow, disappointing.
edit: maybe not, even this is pretty funny drama
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on my own? sure, I basically agree. but I like my bosses and have a job where I should be staying in the background more than becoming the story
I had a lot of fun, but my position with B&R complicates things for me.
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I'm not sure why you're even playing a support role on BARPod unless it's a stepping stone or just pays well. Or maybe not that exactly. Themotte criticism was excessive and clearly motivated a lot by tribalism but the kernel of truth was that you, and Jesse is like this too, seem like you're mixing two identities that don't work very well for a public figure. Being charitable honest and careful is one way to go. Being fun and trolley is another but they have anti-synergy and it's shocking to people when they're used to one and see the other. Jesse's more careful thought out stuff is discounted heavily because of his constant kerfuffles. If you're envisioning an SSC future you may want to fade a bit into he background on the barpod.
Oh and this all would have gone much better if you credited the op more clearly to rdrama. It's the reputation we want and you probably don't.
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I'm with BARPod because I admire their work and am eager to help find and prepare compelling stories.
I am, yes. That's about the core of it, and that's what I'm hoping to properly figure out and address. All well said; appreciate the thoughts.
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If you want to do a little trolling, you should make an alt and just not tell anyone. Better yet, make multiple alts and sprinkle fake personal details into each one.
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Or impersonate someone you don't like
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you can just do both though lol. making an alt is also fine. anything that means less trolling in any way is bad.
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Yeah dude. Make an alt. Be an online nobody. Don't let this site follow you back into reality.
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wrong. just do both.
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The issue was not with the trolling (which was legendary) but with the weird apologetic vibe of the article (which is evident even in the title and in the fact the article came out as it did). You should have been mocking tf out of the r-slurs you duped. Barring that you should have said nothing and let LOTT escalate, blaming you or w/e and then you going "lol"
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Your bosses seemed pretty alright with it. How are they reacting to the backlash?
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My bosses are awesome and they're being extremely gracious to me. I'm just neurotic
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Sick that they've got your back. Let it blow over and learn some lessons and make some more good content.
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Dramacel accusing someone of being a narcissist b-word
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Narcissism is only a bad thing when its paired with laziness
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