Let me just preface this by saying it's so over and that you shouldn't read this if you aren't one of my brocels or siscels (male) but lately I have become incredibly emotional.
Don't believe me?
I and my boys (all 30 year old -cels) were playing CS and queue'd up with a random Swede or something and near the end of the game he said "This was the most fun I've had in a long time" and I started fricking crying. Unironically. Like the match wasn't even especially funny or anything, I just roasted him for having 0 headshots somewhere in the middle of the game by asking if he's saving them all for the next game or something and this guy couldn't stop talking or laughing after that. So once he said the aforementioned sentence idk I was imagining his life how he must have felt and how that little interaction made his entire week and I started fricking crying ffs
Then there's this event where I was buying groceries at a local supermarket and some Polish construction workers were debating which alcohol to buy and they counted their money and apparently they didn't have enough to buy what they wanted and since I can somewhat understand Slavic languages (well not any details or nuance or anything but like the gist of what they are talking about) I just had to pretend to search for something so I could listen to their conversation and they were arguing and I can't stand people getting upset so I just gave them like 20β¬ so they can buy what they want. They looked pretty shocked but reluctantly accepted the money and asked me to drink a beer with them but I cannot drink even though I used to love it because the last time I got drunk I get overcome by melancholy and uhh well like you know. Well anyways I once again started to cry thinking of their lives and what kind of things must have happened in their existence to make them argue about pocket change to buy alcohol.
I wouldn't even say I'm overly emphatic or anything but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I cannot even browse this site any longer because I keep tearing up whenever you people link something that makes me feel sad
So, I've tried some coping strategies but none of them seem to work especially that stoic cope I see online from time to time but people don't seem to grasp that Marcus Aurelius invented the concept of stoicism to distract himself from the things in his life because there was too much stuff going on. Online larpers (like me) have nothing going on in their existence so why even bother doing that? I've asked around other places online and many of them told me I should rope or go to therapy but I don't see how that will help me overthink everything. Maybe some of our smartest dramatards can give me some advice? (@Retaaaard
@jackie)
Anyways, the video survey post is currently at 40k characters and while I'm not particularly proud of it I think it's quite decent so far.
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Even though I despise you I respect your wisdom my liege.
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King Wisdom
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Very female brained
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Almost all straggot foids hate having feminine men as their partner.
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its ok to be empathetic, its what makes you a human bro, I say you should embrace your human spirit and do as much good as possible in this world. Sometimes I look at the world around me and just feel rage at the injustices I see, gives me inspiration and willpower to keep going so I can change things.
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Manuel stop don't shoot up that school
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I would never shoot up a school, if anything I would shoot up the EU parliament
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Manuel don't stop, shoot up the EU parliament
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Literally just stop caring
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stoicism is stupid anyways, people tend to forget marcus aurelius was a literal cuck that used stoicism to cope.
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A balkanoid stuck in a westoid country? He just like me, Fr!
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To me, it sounds like you just need to get out of your own head.
A lot of overemotionality/irrational behavior is rooted in people retreating into themselves and engaging with emotions in ways/to degrees that do not correspond to reality. As an example, a person may get irrationally angry at someone who slights them, not because of the slight itself but because they retreat into their minds and think about the slight as being the tip of the iceberg for many other things e.g. "they did that on purpose because they don't respect me. nobody respects me. They're laughing at me. Everybody's laughing." And it's this subconscious internalized dialog that makes them furious about something that may in fact have been a totally one off accident where nobody's thinking about them one way or the other.
In your case, it sounds like you come into contact with some slightly provoking negative thought, you impose an extremely pessimistic viewpoint on it, and then your imagination runs wild with suppositions. It's a situation that can quickly grow out of control because of the nature of imagination--only in our imaginations can the monsters under our beds grow to reality defying proportions. When looked at head on and in reality, we are forced to recognize their limited scope, and the fact that they are not usually even scary at all. The exchange with your friend could've easily been a case of hyperbole on his part, and the polish guys could be argumentative by nature or have just been temporarily short on cash. You have no way of knowing in both cases, and there's no use in supposing about them either way with limited information.
To fix this, you need to start recognizing when you're spiraling into suppositions and you need to cut yourself off. Focus on concrete things, tactile things, things you know for certain. Force yourself to assume the positive, and if you have trouble believing it, tell yourself positive things and try to imagine it, even just if in theory. It's not about denying emotions, but engaging with them in a way that reflects reality and not how you darkly assume things to be. It's a training process, but as long as you recognize these negative/irrational spirals when they happen, you can start confronting and denying them and take control.
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Hey,
I've had some time to think about this comment and have concluded that this may be the most accurate answer here. One thing I've tried to adapt in the last few days was a couple of concrete methods to regulate my emotions - regardless if they seem unreasonable or even intangible at that specific moment. In fact, I've always had a hard time dealing with this because I'm trying to 'escape' the mundane everyday life by thinking of imaginary scenarios that make the moment just a bit more exciting. I don't know if I do this to spice up my rather boring life or because I'm mentally and physically not in a good place but you were completely right. I need to face the facts of reality instead of over-thinking every single thought - and for that I thank you.
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Glad it helped.
I used to have similar troubles, and was stuck in my own head a lot for similar reasons. Back when I was trying to get better, I came across some Zen meditation type stuff, and that helped me realize how much of my time was spent thinking negatively about things in abstract rather than being engaged with life. So, I gave myself goals and hobbies and I forced myself to take them seriously. I invested myself into them fully, and the more time I spent focusing on those concrete things, the more my mood seemed to settle into an equilibrium, and my old habits of overthinking eventually died down to manageable levels. As it turns out, life is a lot more bearable when you aren't constantly torturing yourself with depressive internalizations.
Hope things get better for you.
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Is this literally you?
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Not really tbh.
A lot of those statements are too general so people may look at this and say "he's literally me."
If anything, I'm extremely aware of my surroundings as I practically have to observe everything so I can
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These solutions wont solve your problem but they will put you in a better spot to address them:
Exercise
Good sleep/diet
Do something meaningful everyday
I know you already dismissed the idea of reading Marcus Aurelius but you should give it shot (Not just with him but other philosophers as well). It may not mean anything now but overtime you might pick up a couple ideas that you can apply to your life that might change your thinking. Nietzches works are always a good place to start.
I was pretty emotional when I was much younger (not so much now) but I rationalized everything that made me sad as just being part of life and those events for the most part were out of my control, but I could choose how I reacted to them. Because at the end of the day you're gonna wakeup the next day and do it all again no matter if you want to or not.
I've had the opposite happen to me. After being depressed for like two years, I managed to overcome the depression but even now I still feel numb compared to my earlier years. I wish I still had that chaotic energy of emotions i felt before, but im still struggling to find it. But nonetheless, even if i never find that feeling ever again, I'll keeping moving forward and make the best of what i have.
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Oh my King, I hope everything is alright
I thank you for your advice and I'll try keeping them not only in my mind but also like try them. I really have to because otherwise things will never change for me I guess.
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While that paragraph was very depressing, Im in a great spot that I would have never imagined myself to be in two years. It was a struggle to get here but we made it
This. Theres this quote I love that helped my on my journey:
There's always going to be days when you feel like giving up on your jouney but the best thing you can do yourself is to persevere
From our chats and your wonderful effortposts I already know you'll be able to handle anything thay comes your way King
Dont worry too much, We're all gonna make it
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All those words won't bring daddy back.
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Exercise or something would help
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this is gonna sound super generic but
turn off the pc, punch a wall, go for a walk, do house chores, buy a bike, keep yourself safe, hit the gym, get a haircut, buy new clothes, buy me a gpu please i want to play strive
, start a creative hobby like playing an instrument or painting
ive been pretty much stuck at home for some weeks now, not being able to go for a walk or hit the gym has some sort of domino effect in me. i start eating worse, spending the day rotting away, masturbating way too much and to 3d porn (i try to keep to 2d/hentai), my thoughts get all messed up...
even if i hate it in the moment, the benefits those things bring me are very noticeable.
so maybe you just need to change some basic stuff? who knows
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this is advice for normies not a truecel like him
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i think it's sound advice to look at the basic stuff to try and find the underlying problem
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He doesn't really have a problem imo. People have this notion that being masculine is having no emotions but thats not true. That just makes you a NPC normie consumer without any aims.
Being masculine is all about having your own thoughts an emotions and putting them/processing them towards your goals, if you are killing your emotions there is no point to even do anything pretty much, no higher purpose.
All the most admirable people are those who act on their beliefs and convictions above everything else, its what defines you and your integrity.
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He has a problem the moment he is making this very thread to complain about it. And being empathetic is not bad, but crying because you handed some broke neighbors R$20 is not normal. There's something fricky going on there.
I'm not arguing he should start acting like he's Rambo or some shit, but he is very clearly bothered by it.
To me it just feels like he has an underlying problem causing all that. The crying is the symptom, not the disease. Like when you have a cat you really like and he dies and you're not really bawling your eyes out the whole day, but then you see something that, if you excuse the term, triggers you into pouring your sadness out. In this example it's justified because you just lost your cat.
What is the underlying reason that made you cry,
@Losercel?
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I think it's either shame or regret. Both of these terms really gnaw at me recently.
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are those things rooted in your inceldom?
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I don't know the answer to that, sorry.
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i'm not an incel scholar but i'd argue inceldom is again an symptom not the disease.
Say you think you're an incel because your jawline just isnt as good.
If your jawline were, you'd just find another reason
Oh, if only I were rich/white/canthal tilt/jawline/fit/tall
It could be that the fact you're an incel gnaws at you, but imo it could very well also be that you have an underlying problem that causes you your inceldom thus causing this trouble of yours
hope you understand what im trying to say
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I mean is your feeling of shame and regret related to not having a gf (ie: regret working when you were young for a gf or ashamed of not having a gf).
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that could be true to be fair but i dont think he handed 20 dollars because he was sad, he just became sad after giving it because he thought about their poverty, its a common feeling to be upset at the injustice of this world, most people just ignore it and others try and do something about it
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Tut mir echt leid Brudi
ich kenne viele so ne HΓ€sslo-Schicksale wie deins.
Selbst das ΓΆdeste Leben ist interessant und kurios und das sollte man immer wertschΓ€tzen, insbesondere wenn man sowieso nichts besseres zu tun hat. Aus einer vernΓΌnftigen Perspektive heraus betrachtet spielen deine persΓΆnlichen GefΓΌhle zwar eine wichtige aber letztlich untergeordnete Rolle. Aber Perspektive hat ja auch nicht jeder...
Ich erinnere mich auch an alles
Falls du kiffst, hΓΆr auf zu kiffen. Mehr Input durch soziale Interaktionen hilft ein bisschen aber verhindert auch nicht die zwangsgestΓΆrte Sauerei, die man mit den zu vielen Informationen anstellt. Wenn es einen immer zu Extremen hinzieht, verdeutlicht das nur umso mehr wie wichtig es ist, nach einem gesunden Mittelweg zu streben bei allem, wo man sich so wiederfindet. FΓΌr manche kann dieser Weg vielleicht nur auf einer Abstraktionsebene liegen, in der die eigenen GefΓΌhle nichts sind als eine weitere Gegebenheit, der man eben so ausgesetzt ist von Tag zu Tag.
GaLiGrΓΌ
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When I was a teenager I would go 3-5 days without sleep and binge gore videos on LiveLeak to try to become a psychopath so girls would like me, child.
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We have a tendency to be impetuous when we are younger. I hope things are better for you now.
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Possible brain tumor
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Years of drama have clearly taken their toll on me
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I'm only sorta memeing, look up tj Miller personality change due to his tumor
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I'll respond tommorow, I need to sleepmaxx right now
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Same to both. Btw the biggest thing that controls whether I'm emotional or not is if I got enough sleep. It far outweights sports and the other generic advice people give.
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Yeah getting 6 hours to sleep.
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Testesterone injections, stat
Also a tola of hash costs 20 euros and you can pack maybe 120-130 bowls with it lol. I really miss hash.
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The problem is likely partially that you don't have enough new stimuli, if you've gotten into the same routine then you might develop emotional dyregulation as you become numb to the expected and hyperaware of the novel. This just seems like standard emotional dyregulation honestly which is often the result of high stress, anxiety, or shame which wears down your ability to regulate and filter emotions resulting in them being expressed in their total extreme. I'm not saying that your BPD as it's also comorbid with autism. It's also common if you've had your emotions and feelings invalidated consistently which resulted in you refusing to express them out of fear of being called an incel loser.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7375152/
If you have had a tendency of suppressing strong emotions rather than trying to temper them then that's likely the reason. Your stewing in the same problems and lifestyle without any noticable progression which wears you down. You have a predetermined response for a majority of your life, as it's the same every day, and extreme reactions to anything novel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_dysregulation
You might also have alexithymia, the inability to accurately express your emotions, which is comorbid autism.
Could also be a hormonal imbalance(unlikely)
The best solution is likely exploring new hobbies/interests, breaking up what you do within your schedule while retaining the basic schedule structure, exercise(this helps with hormonal balance and general emotional regulation), and reading Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Made Simple: 10 Strategies for Managing Anxiety, Depression, Anger, Panic, and Worry as this is unironically what Cognitive Behavioral Therapy was designed for, regulating emotions without invalidating them through recontextualization. Make consistent and achievable goals, make small changes to your life that you know will stick and over the weeks escalate them.
https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/cognitive-behavioral
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapy-types/cognitive-behavioral-therapy
Also a consistent sleep schedule,in particular waking up at the same time everyday, is very useful.
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Hey,
I've had some moments to reflect on your comment and I think you're at least somewhat correct with your assessment here. In fact, I've tried changing my regular schedule over the last couple of days and I've had yet to face any overwhelming emotional outbreaks like the one I posted here two weeks ago. One thing that helped me (and I further elaborated on this in another comment) was regulating my emotions - no matter how unpleasant the process was at that specific moment. I've briefly skimmed the articles/links you proposed here and while I agree with some of their content I'm painfully aware of how unreliable online self-diagnosis is. Maybe, just maybe I need to speak to a professional although - and I'll be sincere here - I'm terrified of the consequences. Either way, thank you for that comment.
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Your pulitzer's in the mail
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Itβs part of growing older even tough that sound cliche itβs so. Also after many hardship and sadnesses having a bright moment with your friend bringing some joy because you know thatβs not probably where you wanted to end up when you were 14 so him enjoying it kinda hit a nerve like despite it being not what you wanted he still enjoys is.
As fix you wonβt be able to fix it and will become only more emotional. Only alternative is becoming a psycho and thatβs probably not what you want.
So donβt think much about crying and shit you guys ainβt teenagers anymore and assuming you donβt pretend to impress foids so donβt shame your self for being a human being.
I hope you got my point
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Idk if you're 'tistic or anything but you can actively learn to suppress your emotional side - because, in my experience, it's hard to 'mature' emotionally as an neurodivergent. Feels like you pretty much have an adult neocortex sitting on a childlike limbic system. You get better and better at masking and as long as you avoid emotionally intense situations, and avoid making yourself vulnerable by drinking or being yourself around people, you should be fine. You'll be that 'stoic', 'monotone' neurodivergent guy who doesn't really feel (except he actually has intense emotions he suppresses and the occasional breakdown where he has to hide in his room). Pretty sure most non-neurodivergent men do this suppression technique too, to an extent.
I would recommend against this. I've masked for so long and taken so many drugs to suppress my emotions, I can't even feel sad or even happy when I want or need to feel those things. It's just... void. If you really want to do it though, and bypass the effort it takes to actually 'mask', you could get SSRIs from a psychiatrist. They should blunt your emotions and make you feel like a robot - but don't say I didn't warn you.
Your other option is to embrace it and try to really 'mature' your emotional side by trying to understand why you feel the way you do (this is the hardest part for neurodivergents) and accepting that feeling sad or angry or any negative emotion is better than feeling nothing at all, and it's really quite amazing that you can feel anything. Many people get help with this from cognitive behavioral therapy. For me, LSD helped a lot to push me in that direction - but I haven't figured my own brain out yet and I've made very little progress recently, so I can't help much more on this front. I'm a bit younger than you pretty sure but you're still young. You've got time to grow and shit.
Hope this all means something to you, idk man.
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There is wisdom here in this comment no matter how outside of the norm people think it is. I feel like you and I are at least somewhat similar in the way we approach things e.g. I used to work at night and stuff but the one thing you definitely helped me here with was the last paragraph. You were not the only one to suggest peepee-and-ball torture and I've definitely looked into it. Also, I've tried LSD a couple of times but my heart starts beating like crazy and I get mortified which makes larger doses very scary. Either way, thank you.
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No prob man. CBT doesn't have to be done by a therapist necessarily, either (although for many people it helps). It's just a framework for analyzing your behavioral patterns and figuring out their roots, then actively modifying your thought process to change your behavior.
You could also attempt ketamine instead of LSD, but it's a very different approach. I would maybe warn against dissociatives because they are very good at completely removing all emotion and allowing you to see the world objectively - which can end up becoming very addictive if you're normally highly emotional.
I hope things get easier for you brocel
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I usually go hiking, camping or boating/swimming in an isolated place with no one around for a day every month or so to vent all my misgivings and emotions where no one can see me.
I'm sure the local wildlife is a bit annoyed of me screaming like a madman but it actually really helps since I feel really refreshed and calm afterwards. Plus the outdoors and peace is very soothing for me.
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Thank you but I cannot be alone with my thoughts for that long. The only thing I have that's terribly soothing to me is this harsh noise album.
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Holy based
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Have you tried journaling?
Even just free writing about literally anything to get shit out of your head and onto paper helps otherwise it will sit and churn. It sounds gay, but it works for some people because then the brain is like, "okay, I can stop thinking about that now and move on." Try it every day for a week, just fill at least a page with whatever comes to mind.
Exercise is also very helpful
Looking up cognitive distortions might help put some labels and words to thoughts and feelings you're having
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My diaries go back to 2007 or so and I'm suffering from memory hoarding. I can unironically remember a lot of impactful days like they happened yesterday...
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That one time you tripped in front of the girl you liked back in 2012 keeping you up at night?
Sounds stupid but I can't let go of the dumbest, most innocuous things ever
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Not to sound trite, but maybe a good therapist (male) could help work though some of that shit and give you the cowtools to help yourself? Sorry you're going though some shit though
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Ive had this happen occasionally too, it goes away on its own. I've noticed that the most emotionally stable people have ways of distracting themselves for situations they might find themselves in and give their brain time to process it in the background ie its not about willpower or following a routine it is clearing your mind for a while.
As for myself I've stopped caring if I get emotional it's not like I have something important to do anyway. And its hard not to, living where I live, seeing so many people in misery
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To give a contrasting opinion to most of what is given in this thread: I would assign a significant probability to philosophy and psychology not being capable to help with the issues you are having besides placebo. Even when in therapy, whatever is "working" is not the technicalities they teach you, but maybe something in the process of therapy itself.. ) (At least for me, therapy and self-improvement/ philosophy didn't work)
It all smells of bullshit. And when reading these replies, keep the common bias in mind that people who "fail" tend to think that it's their environment and try to cope (i. e. incels) while people who succeed tend to put responsibility on themselves and therefore give advice in threads like these about how their totally mentally healthy and welladjusted because they worked so hard to deal with their mental issues instead of being just lucky to have the right genes that predispose them towards being more optimistic (stuff like optimistic outlook on life is very heritable, in USA at least). So it's very possible that the advice you read online is mostly survivorship-bias with a fair dose of the blind leading the blind.
That said, from personal experience and research I have found three things that work somewhat
Preventative
1. Get enough sleep, preferably at the same time each day in a good environment
This is by far the biggest thing for me. Fricking this up makes me much more emotional, in all directions. I become more dramatic, easier to anger, despair faster but can also achieve higher highs. I can't get this one right despite knowing this. I think it scales multiplicative with the second point:
2. "Bad" Stress
Stress either let's me perform far above my baseline or make me an emotional trainwreck. "Good" stress is often very acute, for example performing in an exam. Bad stress is often the nagging feeling that I'm not fast enough that's always in the back of my mind. Sadly, it's not easy to get under control. Even during my NEET phase I was "stressed" due to intense feelings of social failure.
Acute
Sadly, these preventative factors are incredibly hard to manage (at least for me). Best I can do for sleep is use good curtains and earplugs and having a nice bed, but actually managing my sleep schedule is above my abilities. I modulate stress somewhat by becoming a shut in so one time sink falls away.. My agency is very limited with regards to these two.
This last intervention is different though, I usually manage to do if I'm not too steeped in misery.
3. Take a break (~30 min)
In my experience, highly emotional states are highly body driven. Maybe it's hormones or something, but if I distract myself for around half an hour and my body calmed down, I can usually think much more clearly and soberly about an issue. I use this mostly when I get angry with people, I just postpone any further discussion so I won't lash out. I'm known as the guy who stays level headed and objective, despite actually being quite irritable but I've learned to manage it with this.
It also works with despair. I usually engage in escapism for a bit (a walk doesn't work since I continue to dwell on whatever upset me in the first place) and confront the thought again after an amount of time. Of course this increases my stress level when I have stuff to do, but when I'm despairing too hard I won't think very straight anyways. When I had a bad depressive episode, this didn't work, but for acute bouts of negative feelings I'm content with how well it performs.
I know this has to sound a bit underwhelming, maybe I suffer from learned helplessness (if this actually exists in psychological contexts and isn't just another bullshit theory the replication crisis produced) but so far I failed to find more ways to increase my agency over emotional issues. If anybody has other helpful pointers that are more empiric and hopefully verifiable instead of based on some psychological theory and sounding plausible in that context, I'd be interesting in more techniques.
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Ma'am we've been over this before. You need to stop.
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Yo loser cel when the gayming poll coming out?
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Treasure your fun moments, and self-reflection isn't a bad thing. Aristotle has his golden mean which sought a moral life through moderation of his "virtue ethics," so too much self-reflection can easily become self-destructive and full of self-doubt. Don't let it paralyze you.
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drink
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If there is anything I've learned from using this website it's that drinking is definitely not the solution.
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i love alcohol so much and i dont think ill ever be able to let it go and i think its going to kill me. i know its going to kill me.
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my goal is to die from liver disease before i hit 50
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I think he means water
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wrong
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I hope you're doing better now
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This can either be a very good or very bad sign
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Sometimes I hate how observant you are.
Current mood:
It's so over: 3/10
We are so fricking back: 7/10
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You sure your not just a fem bottom b-word girlie?
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Yeah, astrology is bullshit. Right. I totally projected being emotionally and mentally abused, gaslit, and physically assulted by my first Taurus bf, projected being r*ped twice by my second Taurus bf, was emotionally, mentally, and physically abused by my Taurus mother so acutely that my therapist called it PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE. I must have also "projected" my Taurus MIL being incredibly racist toward me and my family, insulting me constantly for no reason, using any excuse in the book to attack me, and refusing to acknowledge that I married her son. I must have also projected my Taurus co-worker bullying me and other people in the office so often that she was DEMOTED in her position as supervisor. I must have also projected my Leo boyfriend abandoning me while I was miscarrying our CHILD and leaving me to deal with the grief alone, only to call me a month later sobbing about how "guilty" he felt for leaving me.
Please find somewhere else to exist and spew nonsense about people and situations you know nothing about.
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