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fun fact: even though argentina attacked a NATO country, article 5 wasn't invoked because NATO only protects territories above the tropic of cancer as defined in article 6. this is why hawaii is technically not protected by NATO

:marseyneat: pretty neat imo

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this is why hawaii is technically not protected by NATO

japan getting ideas

https://media.giphy.com/media/VPevIZhmlNOms/giphy.webp

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Yes because the part of nato that everyone fears wouldn't by definition be drawn into a war on the US.

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they can claim to be returning it to the native hawaiians and get all the american leftoids to support them

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Leftoids are obsessed with Hawaiians race based claim to the island. They'd defend it to the last man from any other race owning it.

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Every native Hawaiian is a :marseymutt: by this point.

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Tell it to the blood and soil lefties.

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:#marseykaiser:

Blood and soil you say?

...Leftists you say? :marseykaisergeno#cide:

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They live in your head, tell them yourself.

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Keep yourself safe you r-slurred cute twink.

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Based

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Pretty much, I think there's probably a few thousand actual natives left.

The other "natives" are just mayoids with .5% Hawaiian ancestry, asians, or some kind of hapa. And I guess Portuguese who are considered different than other mayos for some reason?

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I call native Hawaiians "Sea Mexicans" and nobody has punched me in the face yet so I think that's pretty apt.

Every native I've met is mixed something.

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You're thinking of Filipinos

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I call Puerto Rican et al "Sea Mexicans", it feels more accurate

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It's funny how the natives of such a beautiful place can have such ugly souls. My brother-in-law said he experienced the worst racism of his life when he visited Hawaii, and he's visibly Indigenous Canadian.

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Oh no not the island nation of $11 gallons of milk and fat drug addict abbos on EBT

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"Japan did not have enough of a logistic tail to invade California, let alone Hawaii, let alone Midway."

This sounds like cope by the people in the US military during ww2.

Japan absolutely could have overrun California in 1941. They did not do so, only because it did not fit their strategic goals. If they did so, they would have been counter-attacked by an army lead by Patton.

So here's something that could have happened:

December 1941 or January 1942: Japan conquers the western US as far as Denver. At this point I should point out that I am not a weeb. In fact I do not like Japanese culture. I am an American conservative. I am just skeptical about the whole "Japan did not threaten the west coast" thing.

January 1941: Goerge Patton pushes back with infantry divisions. He pushes the Japanese back into the sea.

January 1942: America institutes its island-hopping campaign, as in real life. America overruns Hawaii and Midway. Japan has ignored northern Australia as in real life. By this time, America has developed nuclear weapons. Tokyo is vaporized by multiple nuclear bombs. Japan surrenders.

Februrary 1941: The American southwest is still recovering from its occupation from a hostile power. There are concentration camps set up by the japanese in places like Phoenix, San Francisco, Deadwood, etc.

March 1941: "B-29's have delivered thousands of nuclear weapons upon Moscow; rendering western uninhabited for millions of years."

2xst century: White people, speaking a form of English, establish a colony on Europa, a moon of Jupiter.

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That's a lot of words that I didn't read because my powers of clairvoyance tell me this post is r-slurred

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I'm not sure this is historically accurate.

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Have never seen a more r-slurred take on Japanese capabilities during WW2. Well done :kiss:

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:#marseysmugautisttyping:

Nice pasta, go eat more glue

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All those words won't bring daddy back.

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What HOI4 mod is this from?

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Imagine if we allowed them to ever have a standing military again.

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Yes, it's just protected by the US...

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One time the Soviets tried to get Mongolia into the Warsaw Pact. The bloc countries in Eastern Europe said it was so transparently just trying to force them into a conflict with China on the other side of the world that even they wouldn't do it.

:!marseycomrade: :marseylaugh:

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Yeah it sure would be hilarious if a military alliance forced people into wars on the other side of the world they didn't care about

:marsey57:

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Can you cool it with the antisemitism

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I get where you're going with this. It doesn't hide that a century of doing whatever is the opposite of what the British say has led you to extreme poverty and not being taken seriously by the world.

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Oh so only 95% of NATO's strength defends Hawaii. A huge loss.

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yeah this is why the US doesn't really care. Also while hawaii is technically not protected by NATO, invoking article 5 is a political decision, so if the US convinced enough people NATO would invoke it anyway

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Hawaii has fallen, billions must eat pineapple

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Must eat spam

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So what if Argentina (or any country below that line) had nukes and nuked a NATO country (that didn't have nukes themselves) what then?

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They would probably still invoke article 5. At the end of the day, invoking article 5 is a political decision, you just need the 32 member states to agree to invoke it, and if a NATO country got nuked i'd find it hard to believe that they wouldn't do it.

however if they did refuse to invoke it, they would absoultely cite article 6 as a reason

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What's art. 6?

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so article 5 states that an attack against one is an attack against all, and article 6 clarifies that this attack has to be

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer

tldr: article 6 states that article 5 can technically only be invoked when territories above the tropic of cancer are attacked ("territories" being defined as land under control of the state)

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:#nerd: :#siren:

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