will be a boxoffice disappointment. Low opening weekend in the US 
as well as international markets. Bad audience scores in USA as well meaning it won't leg out 
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https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1fvrfgw/joker_folie_%C3%A0_deux_rotten_tomatoes_verified/?sort=top
Looking at a low donestic opening weekend.
https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1fvpnhw/looks_like_7m_previews_for_jokerfolieadeux/
Same case internationally as well. 
https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1fvznfu/13m_os_thu_for_joker2_total_21m_weekend_now/
!kino , it's offcially ogre it seems 
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I think someone at WB mistakenly thought the first Joker's success was because of Todd Philip's creative genius and not because of the general popularity of the brand and the novelty of the whole thing. Making it a musical where the Joker is a simp loser who gets BTFO by a foid was never going to sit well with its main target audience.
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They should have made a musical with Joker killing random people while singing about living in a society. It would've still failed but at least it would've made more money than this
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I mean I'd probably have seen that one.
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If nothing else it probably would have turned into a Rocky Horror style cult classic
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That's just Sweeney Todd
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they could've done the first
murder 
musical.
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That's the first film minus the musical part. He was an incel simping for Zazie Beats (whatever her name is).
Joker (2019) is "what if Taxi Driver, but set in Gotham City".
It should have been left as a standalone, any sequel would pale in comprise t to the success of the first film.
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In the first movie he was a delusional simp who realised what he was and chimped out. I think that's more palatable for most people than dying as a delusional simp.
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What if Goodfellas but set in Gotham would also make a lot of money
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What if Godfather but set in Gotham would make more money.
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isnt that just The Batman and The Penguin?
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I'd watch
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Nah the first one was genuinely good.
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they are chuds, hence the subversion
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I will go rewatch clips of Mark Hamill and Ledger's jokers instead.
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For a second I thought you were talking about
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Only really two options as how this happened:
1. Phillips and his writers legitimately do not understand why the first movie was popular
Or
2. Phillips and his writers legitimately hate the audience that they found
Im leaning more towards 2, one of the themes seems to be that people idolize others for all the wrong reasons, and divorce the human from the idea of that human. Either way this shit is gonna bomb
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Can't be 1, definitely 2. The "media" that Hollywood creatures pay attention to spelled out who the audience was while they were trying to magic spree killings into existence because lonely young men had the audacity to see a movie they related to.
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It's simple, we kill the filmmakers.
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C) The initial success attracted the attention of the corporate suits who insisted on sticking their fingers in the pie and ruined it. Tale as old as time.
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This is the one I'm going with too, if you combine the fact that over the last 5+ years almost everything movie and TV has a distinct "not for straight males" vibe. I'm not saying our gaybros are rolling in decent kino lately either, but since some of their tastes align with the prime media consuming demo (wimmens), they're at least catching some strays like those pilot fish that swim alongside of big fat sharks.
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I think it's both. Imo, I think Todd Philips and co drank their own kool aid.
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It seemed to me that the media made a bigger deal about the wrong people liking the first one than actually wrong people liking the first one
Kinda like how Redditors hate fight club because Brad Pitt is hot as shit and makes some good points
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I'm pretty sure they publicly stated that incels were doing the media literacy wrong so they made this one to show them
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"whoops, we accidentally made the protagonist too sympathetic and relatable to miserable modern men! Can't have them anything but demoralised l!"
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I don't understand this take either, he's not really sympathetic, it's just kind of funny seeing a mentally disabled man frick everything up and kill people gratuitously for no reason
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It's both
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my man made a movie that caused school shooters and chuds complain he does not want to do that again
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Who actually idolized the joker, though?
He's a chris-chan tier neurodivergent in the first movie and a complete loser
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That's because it's not for you. It's for the modern audience who have this thing you've probably never heard of, media literacy. Chud.
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they unironically said this lmao https://archive.is/lTk2v !kino
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The scene where Joaquin Phoenix walks into frame with no makeup on, looks straight into the camera and says, "frick fans of the first movie" was a bit much tbh
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The part when Phoenix said "I now go by they/them pronouns, the future is female, trans women are women, trust the science chud" was pure !kino tho.
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I didn't mind that part. But the 30 minute unsimulated gay s*x scene with Phoenix and the midget seemed to come out of left field.
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"We made a sequel for people who hated the first movie, why did it flop?"
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Ironically making a "we live in a society" movie that somehow became a huge success and then unrionically making the sequel a courtoom musical
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Chicago somehow managed to be all of those things
The horn crescendo and symbol crashes are so
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Why is a joker movie a musical
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Has anyone here seen the movie yet? People are memeing that the Joker gets butt r*ped and with how awful the reviews are I can't tell if it's a joke or not
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He gets r*ped and nothing bad happens to the cops who r*ped him.
So really, the message is just r*pe people. There are no consequences.
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It's going to make a trillion dollars in India
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Well now I have to watch it
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No that's legitimately the end of the movie.
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Factcheck: This claim is 100% true.
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Based Joker 1 was pure slop. Its not shock this one is bad. Its just a shitty clone of taxi driver and fight club for people who only watch superhero movies (woah it has the name of le comic book guy but its a shitty version of Taxi Driver instead of an action movie
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Everything about it is obvious and stupid. The movie is so generic with its politics you can easily interpret it as left or right wing. Idk why chuds think its about them outside of memes when you could easily say joker is a based antifa anti capitalist smashing the rich (thats the point Arthur is a fricking crazy loser who is doing this out of personal beef which everyone projects their politics onto). !kino to all joker fans just watch one if the movies Todd is inspired by
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People liked the Falling Down aspect of it, and I think that gets left out a lot too
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Joker Uno was funslop, not worshipslop
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Controversial opinion: Taxi Driver was bad to begin with so whatever.
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Okay I'm reading all the spoilers and apparently the joker gets r*ped by prison guards and stops going by the joker because of it (???) and then some other prisoner is implied to be the "real" joker.
That's so bad it's hilarious.
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See fellas, r*pe works. And prisons should do it more often.
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I don't really get why they'd make this joker not the real joker, either. They already built him up to be a killing jokeesque joker, to the point it'd have been way easier to just make this movie a standard joker vs batman story but from the joker's side of things. Timeskips exist for a reason.
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I hear Joker gets the Jokerness buttraped out of him by prison guards. No, really.
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The system works.
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I ❤️ the prison r*pe industrial complex
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they knew this was coming and no one can argue they didn't.
every single trailer for this movie went out of it's way to hide that it's a musical because they'd already accepted the failure.
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The trailers are how I knew it was a musical
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none i saw on tv or youtube ads showed or even implied it was a musical.
like this
final trailer 
one they pushed hard on tv
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capeshit. how often can u really watch a rehash of the same shit?
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in fairness this particular trainwreck is very unlike your usual capeslop trainwreck
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I just watched it, it was so fricking boring. The musical aspect felt like padding and it was way too long. Every time Gaga started singing I tuned out.
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She had her moment in the early 2000s, actually she had the moments of like five women of her talent combined. Idk why I'm seeing her again
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I get off on movies failing
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Female excellence does it once again
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I respect them tbh for going a completely different route even though it's inevitably going to be a fail. A lot of producers would have wondered how much money there is in a film that turned out to be fairly popular and just tried to repeat the formula until people got bored of it kind of like how Marvel have been doing it since forever.
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How can you be disappointed if there was no hope for it to begin with?
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Woman ruin something else again.
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