Multiple Oscars incoming

I'll let our friends at /r/boxoffice explain some context for it's numbers:

I feel like many (including myself) were already expecting a steep decline from the first one, but $120M domestic? This is like nearing Flash-levels of bombing. Ant Man 3's performance looks more impressive by the day lol

The Flash was a massive failure, so The Marvels getting compared with this movie is really bad

But do you know what comparison would be worse?

The fact that the low end OW predictions are only $11M higher than Morbius is frightening for the MCU.

The low end should be $75M+ easily.

Ooops

Could be looking at the biggest sequel drop for a billion dollar movie since Alice Through the Looking Glass.

Alice in Wonderland: $1.025B

Alice through the Looking Glass: $299.5m (-71% drop, -$726m absolute drop)

Captain Marvel grossed $1.131B, for The Marvels to drop better than 71% it needs to gross at least $328m worldwide and $405m worldwide to do better than the absolute drop. It will need to come in at the higher end of this estimate to have a chance.

Marvel is still breaking records!

Heck it's possible that Killers of the Flower Moon could make more domestically than The Marvels, if KOTFM is on the high end of projections and The Marvels is on the low end. r/moviescirclejerk would be a sight to see if that happened

Can you imagine this happening?!

Back to drama now:

It's time for these threads again. I'll see y'all after the movie is out lol.

"I can't handle bad news."

Probably more so the chuds being annoying about it.

I have a feeling this discussion would look different if the numbers were really good

I'm excited for this movie. People complain for sake of complaining.

Nothing can save the soydditor from himself

Darn, we told you guys this was coming if Marvel didn't course correct, but they were more interested in alienating their core audience, this isn't surprising at all

A chud decided to get his revenge, lots of angry replies

The Marvels Estimates:

$50-75M Opening Weekend

$121-189M Domestic

For context, at best, the opening weekend numbers are only half of the original Captain Marvel, with the best domestic gross being only a bit more than a third of the original.

At worst, it becomes the lowest opening and domestic performance for the MCU ever. The opening would even be below The Flash and Green Lantern.

I might honestly lose my faith in humanity if this has the lowest opening in MCU history.

M-my faith in humanity! Why won't you guys watch Disney's newest hecking wholesome girlboss superhero movie!

If this holds, we might be seeing layoffs at Marvel Studios

That what happens when you follow agendas.

no its what happens when you keep releasing movies like mom and thor 4 that erode the trust of the audience who expect greatness. it's how the dceu went into the shitter even though there was no "agendas" there to upset you.

Well, they might make better movies if they focus less on the agenda

Before people fly off the handle and launch themselves into the sun, it's important to remember that it takes a long time to right a ship. Both in terms of quality and box office. The Marvels is suffering at the box office for a variety of reason. Part of that being because the MCU fricked up movies like Ant-Man and Thor. Quality wise, if it sucks, it's something that sucked when it was made like a whole year ago.

I think the MCU is attempting to turn the ship around, but its not going to hit right away. Even when the quality improves (The Marvels genuinely looks decent imo) it will take a while before the box office #'s bounce back.

This! It's gonna take time for the quality to catch up I'm guessing by time 2025 tbh

I know that last few Marvel movies were bad, and I know that at least the next few ones will be too, but we must keep watching them all in the hopes that the Mouse will eventually reward our undying loyalty

This is so fricking sad, not gonna lie. Dudebros will be happy about that. That's too bad for Brie and Teyonah but especially for Iman's first movie ever.

Brie is totally to blame for doing a shit job of playing the role

Frick you

The Batman shill said blah blah wah wah

Same guy btw

Or it just doesn't look that good.....perhaps?

You're not serious. Quantumania looked like a piece of shit even before it was released but even so open above 100 million. Stop pretending hate against women doesn't exist.

LOL. I'm not getting into politics with you. The movie doesn't look that good and any lack of success won't be because of hate against women. You need to get off the internet and live in the real world.

Just say you hate women weirdo

I see we're preemptively blaming the incel boogeyman before the movie even drops. It couldn't possiby be recent lack of faith in the brand.

He's just fighting all over the comment section

Nah, it looks great. Hope you're getting paid well for your dedication to trolling this movie though. So many posts about something you hate, can't be healthy.

Everything you said here is exactly how I feel. Although I try not to use "incel" as a pejorative, same sentiment nonetheless.

Ahh yes everyone unhappy with marvel and it's products is incelish. Great critical analysis. This is exactly why no one takes y'all seriously. Like ik there is a vocal minority who simply hate because it is being led by a woman, but it's not crazy to believe that there are other people who are simply unhappy with how their products have been turning out.

I just said "I try not to use 'incel' as a pejorative". pay attention

The soys are fighting!

terrible casting - that woman from Fresh Meat is just awful

Homie out for Brie Larson's blood in this thread 😭

i meant the villain, but yeah Brie is also terrible casting

Reminder that their forecast for Barbie was a similar range, which turned out to be a gargantuan low-ball. The forecasts are based on:

Incredibly sketchy pre-sale data with no sound sampling mechanisms. (You couldn't publish an academic paper with data this messy).

Questionable assumptions about consumer behavior based on past trends and the assumption that the audience for this film is entirely comparable to the audience for GotG 3 and Quantumania.

This is the mother of all copes. J-just like Barbie guys!

I'm going to jump off of a cliff if this movie does bad.

Promise?

Who gives af how much money it makes that won't make or break it what will make or break it is if the movie is good or bad. I feel like some of y'all obsess over the box office cause your afraid the chuds on YouTube are right and it seems some of y'all care more about getting one over on them than the story.

Cope, but also

Wow the YouTubers are going to have a field day if this happens…

Case in point, the nazis will gloat for days

The discourse surrounding this movie is going to be disgusting lmao. It's going to do bad, but it won't be because of super hero fatigue or “diversity”…… It will do bad because the movie looks like trash.

Do better sweetie

The Marvels social embargo lifts

**Grace Randolph📷https://twitter.com/GraceRandolph·1m#TheMarvels is short & sweet plenty of laughs & action I went in hoping it wouldn't be TOO bad & ended up with a smile on my face the whole time TONS of surprises big & small (NOT just the end credit scenes) - avoid spoilers!

**Jeff Nelsonhttps://twitter.com/SirJeffNelson·22s#TheMarvels weaves fun fight choreography with an engaging dynamic between Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris, and Iman Vellani. However, the narrative is lacking and the villain falls incredibly flat. Some strong ideas, but it doesn't all quite come together. A mixed bag.

**Emmanuel (E-Man) Noisettehttps://twitter.com/EmansReviews·55s#TheMarvels is a mixed bag some could call "fun" but may not blow everyone away. Iman Vellani is a gem. The power swaps & team bonding were a good time. This felt like a 60% Marvel 40% Disney movie. It's not for everyone but low expectations can help. Great post credit scene.

TomChatalbashhttps://twitter.com/TomChatalbash·1mIt's saddening that it's tracking so low because #THEMARVELS is a BLAST! A breath of fresh air for the MCU that balances terrific humor and heart throughout and boasts fantastic performances and chemistry from its main trio of Larson, Parris, and Vellani.

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Herb Scribnerhttps://twitter.com/HerbScribnerThere are some issues (the silly stuff worked for me, I know pockets of the internet won't like it). Villain needed a little more work. —But otherwise, #TheMarvels is like if a Phase 2 MCU film had a baby with a Phase 4 project. Echoes of GOTG, Ant-Man, Thor 4. —Really sums up the “homework” well. General audiences will get it. —The final scene and the post credit will leave you wanting the next MCU movie quickly!

Eric Goldmanhttps://twitter.com/TheEricGoldman·2mIn a year that gave us the big low of Quantumania and the high of GotG 3, #TheMarvels is a solid middle of the path, entertaining MCU installment. Fun and funny and built around a likable team dynamic though not special enough to overcome many of those now superhero cynical.

Andy Signorehttps://twitter.com/andysignore·3m#TheMarvels Is a hot mess. That final trailer was shameful trolling. I'm angry at their DESPERATE mid credit reveal THAT's how we're doing that?! And that's where we're going!? No thanks. I don't care anymore. I'm done. No wonder they wanted us drunk… Full Review tomorrow

Edward Douglashttps://twitter.com/EDouglasWW·4mQuite enjoyed #TheMarvels, and I think Nia DaCosta did a fantastic job with an outer space epic that had moments on par with the Guardians of the Galaxy movies and one bit that would blow even https://twitter.com/JamesGunn's mind. A thoroughly enjoyable action flick with a terrific trio of actors.

Zach Popehttps://twitter.com/popetheking·6m#TheMarvels is a winner Not a perfect winner But a light, breezy, entertaining blockbuster that delivers a satisfying team up! Brie Larson really SHINES as Captain Marvel (Finally), Iman continues to be a shining Star as Kamala Khan, & Teyonah Paris knocks it out as Rambeau!

Darryl Manselhttps://twitter.com/Seedalicious·1m#TheMarvels is a DELIGHT, front to back. It's by no means a perfect movie, and there's a few questionable choices but overall I had a blast from beginning to end. Iman is a joy, Teyonah held her ground, Brie reminded me she's that business. GO SEE IT.

Alex Maidy

#TheMarvels is the latest in the MCU's string of passable superhero movies. Like Ant-Man 3 and Thor 4, it is more focused on laughs than character development. Iman Vellani is the highlight while Brie Larson and Teyonah Parris are good but don't have a lot to do.

ViewerAnonhttps://twitter.com/ViewerAnon·12m#TheMarvels is a fusion of light, color, and sound. Action scenes are accentuated with rumbling bass if the theater is so-equipped. DO NOT LEAVE BEFORE THE CREDITS END, make sure to stay seated and appreciate everyone who made the movie.

Steven Weintraub https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty·1mHappy to report #themarvels is a blast. It's fun, funny & the cast is so good together. Is it one of the best Marvel movies? No. But I had a smile on my face a lot. Definitely worth seeing in a movie theater. Also the after the credits scene is Excited for what's next.

**Scott Menzelhttps://twitter.com/ScottDMenzelThe Marvels is such a disjointed mess. It feels like there are countless scenes missing from the film. Characters appear and disappear without much explanation. Energy levels are high but so much of this film is way too childish for its own good. It feels like a Disney+ Movie . #TheMarvels

Dempsey Pillothttps://twitter.com/DempseyPillot·15mNia DaCosta's #TheMarvels is a delight! The power-swapping plot is cool & all, but the real fun comes from the stellar chemistry between Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris & Iman Vellani. Low stakes aside, it delivers some of Marvel's best action & comedy to date! See it with a crowd

**Kirstenhttps://twitter.com/KirstenAcuna·1mReally dug #TheMarvels. Not perfect, but a breezy 1 hr & 45 full of laughs (courtesy of Kamala + her fam) and clever action sequences boosted by the film's body swapping. Iman Vellani is the MVP. The film does an excellent job setting Ms. Marvel up as the MCU's next leader.

**Andrew J. Salazarhttps://twitter.com/AndrewJ626·4mDespite everyone on screen trying their best, #TheMarvels feels like it lost its battle in the editing room. Scenes don't flow into each other & you can't tell when the first act or second act begins. There's a few really dope scenes but studio interference might be to blame.

** Jenna Anderson https://twitter.com/heyitsjennalynn·20mI found #TheMarvels to be utterly delightful. It shows what's great about the superhero movie “genre” without feeling the need to completely tear it down & reinvent it. It's breezy, zany & heartfelt in a way that really worked for me.

**Gissane Sophia https://twitter.com/GissaneSophia·5m#TheMarvels isn't perfect and there are issues, but overall it's a phenomenal joy ride entirely because of the leads, familial dynamics, and flerkens. Kamala Khan remains the best addition in the MCU, and the thematic focus on second chances is easy to appreciate.

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Griffin Schiller

#TheMarvels is Josstice League levels of bad. Idk what the heck I just sat through. So many random threads, empty payoffs, a lack of any real emotion or character. Tonally & narratively a Jackson Pollock painting. A season finale to a non existent season of television. A mess.

Kristian Harloffhttps://twitter.com/KristianHarloff·14mJust saw #theMarvels The chemistry is there with the leads, The storyline with Carol and Monica works. Kamala is charming. Unfortunately that's all the movie has. Sloppy plot, uneven script, and two bits that single handidly almost bring down the movie. This is a big miss.

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Bonus:

Mama's Geeky actually admits that The Marvels has a 'few issues'. However, Erik Davis remains undefeated as king of the shills.

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Overall impression: gloves off and far more willing to be negative than even Quantumania. IMO, the only factor preventing this movie from being rotten tomorrow is if real critics grade on curve.

As an aside, it's hilarious to see people purporting to be authorities on the world of entertainment totally being unable to read between the lines here.

The outlook continues to look bleak for superhero pic The Marvels, which is falling off 78 percent to 80 percent in its second outing to rank as Marvel Studios' worst second-weekend drop of all time, as well as the worst for any Hollywood superhero pic. Among Marvel Cinematic Universe titles, threequel Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania previously sported the worst drop of 69 percent.

The Marvels is expected to earn $9 million to $10 million for the weekend.

BoxOffice Theory is a boxoffice discussion forum that's famous in the business, with actual boxoffice trackers and Hollywood insiders commenting there occasionally. It's also a site that manages to be even more painfully unfunny than reddit. People can get banned by jannies for the mildest disagreements, even hinting that woke movies are bad can get you in trouble, and people there defend Disney like they personally own shares in the company. There's lots of drama and pettiness going on in there but the site culture and the forum layout makes if difficult and boring to find it.

I wrote a small introduction for context but if you don't care you can skip to the next section

The Marvels forum thread has been extra smug ever since the movie was announced. Captain Marvel was the proof that annoying internet chuds were just some pathetic obstacles that will soon be crushed by the ever benevolent Hollywood which will result in a film utopia where every possible minority group will find proper representation in unproblematic movies forever. Despite nazi racist incels screaming at Carol Danvers, her movie still made a billion dollars at the boxoffice and Captain Marvel was set to become one of the most important characters in the franchise, and even a potential leader of the new Avengers. And her newest movie will prove that the future is female and that chuds have no power outside of their youtube echochambers. Every disagreement was vehemently attacked, as was every hint that the movie isn't doing well with all the delays and reshoots it was going through (without mentioning the quality of the recent Marvel movies). People there were salivating at the thought of The Marvels making another billion dollars.

But as November approaches and the movie is set to open in theatres soon the proper tracking of this movie began... and it's not going well at all. The excitement for this movie is at an all time low for the franchise and the ticket pre-sales are cry worthy.

It is shocking how terrible TheMarvels presales are at this point. Roughly 25% of AntMan and below TheFlash and IndianaJones. It needs great reviews and promotion from the actors or we are looking at a potential sub-$60m opening.

Worse than the Flash and Indiana Jones As a slight context, the first Captain Marvel movie opened at $153m. Nearly a month ago The Marvels tracked for a $90-100m opening and that was considered disappointing. A few days ago it was tracking for a $70-80m opening and that was basically considered disastrous. Now it might not even make that much.

elemental's OW was absolutely terrible. bold to expect 100M out of a film that is currently at less than two thirds of eternals' tickets sold and going down

Elemental was assumed to be a massive bomb when if first opened and was lucky to have long legs. Marvel movies have notoriously short legs, relaying on the opening week for most of their earnings, there's absolutely no way The Marvels will have the same luck Elementals had, and it's already doing worse

(OW - opening weekend or opening week, depending on the context. Not sure which one is this guy referring to, but it doesn't really matter)

Now, the jannies have mostly gave up trying to mop the thread so it has gotten quite lively. People are mocking Marvel, start arguments all over the place and argue about random off-topic things. And more importantly, Marvel fans are getting attacked by everyone. (I won't quote full posts every time because the forum residents love their and really technical explanations).

And of its a man declaring this! Maybe perhaps Barbie both focused on a brand women recognised and also on a message they connected with.

MEANWHILE CAPTAIN MARVEL PUNCH HARD.

One of the sexist things in media is the Buffy finale where disgusting man Whedon decides his feminist message is if you punch hard you won't be the victim of domestic abuse. Who could know he was a sexist person?!

This is the type of comments you can expect from the site, and why The Marvels thread descending into chaos is so funny

Barbie isn't an indie, neither is The Marvels. Both are films made and backed by multi billion corporations. The fact that both films were officially tracking around the same long box office range forecast 22 days before it's release is of note. Phenomenons like Barbie and Captain Marvel before can't be predicted that far along. What we can see here is that there is a lot of biases going around. It's hard to explain how one could be ‘excited' for Barbie to open around $70-80m 22 days before it's release and being doom and gloom about The Marvels tracking around the exact same forecasts.

"Why do two films with drastically different budgets in drastically different situations get judged differently? It's just not fair!"

The budgets of these two multi billion backed corporation films aren't that far from each other. Both of them are about very much só corporation toys and made to promote Marvel and Mattel. Never mind the lack of understanding of how box office prediction works, I can't really argue against that it does look incredibly odd to have the positive narrative framing for Barbie opening to the exact same long range box office forecast of $70-80m and the doom and gloom to The Marvels around the same numbers. It's not even about judging films differently, it's just odd.

we could go into it but realistically you will never agree which means I would waste my time so I will instead sit on the sideline and watch the meltdown

I do think that me and Shawn made similar points about how people might be surprised by The Marvels female audience weeks ago, and I do think that unlike the Captain Marvel, there is an world and potential for The Marvels to skew more towards a female audience than that first film. The female Marvel Studios audience is bigger than most people here seem to give credit for.

i think you might want to check out shawn's forecast

I'm well aware. But if The Marvels surpasses expectations, that would be hardly the first time that a forecast of his or the trades themselves prove them differently. Heck, we just need to look at the trades box office forecasts of Barbie at the exact same time frame for that.

I urge you to go look at Barbie's daily pace and then come back and look at this film's

This guy is one of the two Marvel fans who stubbornly defend the franchise in every single discussion.

Female audiences are leading the charge in divesting from superhero films.

: We will see about that soon enough. They certainly aren't leading "the charge" to watch KOTFM though. I do think it's kinda hilarious how people go out of their way to underplay how big of a female audience Marvel Studios does have.

Marvel fans still seethe at Scorsese

When the trailer played before KOTFM, the audience seemed so disinterested. I think the MCU has worn out its welcome.

According postrak the under 25 crowd was only 20% of the audience. So yeah. There isn't going to be much of a overlap between audiences for Marvel and Scorsese.

Speaking of Scorsese, they played the trailer to The Marvel's before Scorsese's latest movie

(KOTFM - Killers of the Flower Moon, Scorsese's latest movie)

: some long post about Quantumania

Ahh, now we get the revisionist history that Quantumania was always going to do that poorly. Always an excuse for Marvel movies. It can never be that audiences just didn't like the movie.

Just the other day I was thinking where is Zatt Murdock () this thread is so quiet LOL. And the universe delivers. Now the page count is really going to explode.

This guy has a reputation...

long post criticising the way Marvel handled Captain Marvel's character

That's more than 250 words to say how much you dislike Captain Marvel. Impressive.

Nice to see you back on these boards, Zatt. Now I am sure this thread can get 300 page count :)

You know it's truly over when even other autists are dunking on you on sight

: If this bombs, superhero fatigue is real. If this doesn't bombs, superhero fatigue is still real and the reason why KOTFM bombed. Marvel Studios can't win either way.

Poor Disney, they can never win!

I think it's becoming clear that people just didn't love Captain Marvel that much. It got the Avengers bump and now it's coming back down to where it would have fallen if not for the Infinity War/End Game craze.

This would have been controversial less than a month ago.

I think people in general like Captain Marvel far more than Ant-Man or Wasp.

You know, I've been thinking that you sound delusional but didn't want to say anything. This confirms it. Have you ever spoken to anyone who says they like captain marvel more than Scott? I find that really really hard to believe, and it sounds like wishful thinking to me. This girl is exactly the type that marvel is trying to court, and she ranks captain marvel below ant man 1 and 2, and among the worst movies in the franchise (at the time).

And there's no hiding behind the incel woman hater card because she's very much a "queer ally, representation, etc" type person. The character just isn't very popular, and CERTAINLY not more liked than ant man, as pre-sales seem to confirm.

It doesn't even need to be said, the hard data backs me up. Captain Marvel is way more popular than Ant-Man. All the metrics possible when it comes to these characters point to that. Sometimes you just gotta read absurd shit and let it go.

Ok when this movie comes out and makes roughly the same as an ant man movie, we will see how absurd it is. My point isn't that ant man is beloved. It's that Captain Marvel isn't.

They seem to want Captain Marvel to be a stoic Clint Eastwood type character and it doesn't work. At all

Even if she was written to be wisecracking there would be hordes of men who would dislike that as well. Every time a woman does stand up comedy, men complain that they're not funny. I genuinely believe that most men dislike funny women.

: It's quite weird how much it seems like a lot of the most vocal criticism towards women online comes from men that seem to just hate women in general. (...) I mean one of the most understandable criticisms I've seen for prominent women in film is that Gadot was part of the IDF, even some of her online positions or lack of. I can understand why that would warrant criticism, but meanwhile Tom Cruise is the god of cinema and is running Scientology on the side. But it's always something, and don't tell me it's just Brie Larson's Carol Danvers. I've seen a lot of that thrown at Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn too.

True, Cruise is never criticised for his Scientology connections, never!

She wasn't an Eastwood stoic in Endgame or Shang-Chi and clearly isn't in The Marvels either. The closest her character has been to that vibe was in her origin movie, while she was BRAINWASHED. Such a bizarre criticism. Woman being serious = Clint Eastwood, apparently.

Another simp joined the discussion

: I also find extremely weird and funny how the online chatter is now that the ‘MCU is rebooting', ironically like DC is doing and heavily announced, but Marvel never did such thing. It's interesting because one of the online talking points about DC films was that if they were rebooting, what is happening now ‘doesn't really matter'. I could get real money that Marvel Studios will once again blow up the box office coming Secret Wars but it's not rebooting. The MCU true strength is the sense of serialized storytelling, and that won't be going away anytime soon. It just is what it is. If anything, it would be a good day if we could just not carry by ourselves the burden of killing cinema. Maybe Scorsese will find out what Five Night At Freddy's is next week. Hopefully his granddaughter will explain that it isn't really a Marvel property, but a videogame one? Idk.

"Seriously guys, stop bullying Marvel! Bully DC for a change!!"

This is also the third time this guy bitched about Scorsese completely unprompted

In her new book MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios Joanna Robinson says that Marvel Studios was completely caught off guard by the negative critical reception to Quantumania. They thought they had a hit on their hands.

LMAO

I wanna say something to you YOU #CaptainMarvel fans. I'm PROUD of you. You're EARTH'S MIGHTIEST FANS. We're together as one. Toxicity will NEVER win. For every negative reply on your positive, hyped post- Block that person and WRITE another beautiful one. We wont stop. Twitter, Instagram. We will post LOVE and show the world how proud we are. NO ONE will ruin our long waited moment. NO ONE. Enjoy every second of it. Let's do this TOGETHER. Deal? IN EVERY POST. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE CAROL CORPS.

: I'm far from being Captain Marvel's biggest fan, I mean, I like her but I'm far more of a Ms. Marvel fan myself. Even named my cat after her. With that said, I gotta say that I find the whole Carol Corps thingy that started with the comics and followed to the films endearing. It's a small club, but I gotta say that this is some of the most hardcore MCU fans out there, the only character I've seen getting a similar vocal fandom like this in the MCU it's Wanda, and I'd argue they might be the bigger crowd. It's just a bunch of young women and lgbtq folk that love the shit out of Captain Marvel. I think that's cute, and a good reason for superhero films to exist.

I wanted to avoid posting twitter links here to avoid confusion but I really need to emphasize just how deranged this guy is

New trailer! In Spanish.

this looks like a Disney Channel movie. No wonder it's tracking badly

Well it has two Disney+ leads

post comparing the new trailer with a Guardian of the Galaxy 3 one

Darn these movies with totally different tones have different trailers?

This is the second Marvel defender I was talking about.

now same guy is comparing it with an Iron Man 2 trailer

Feige stop hiring millennial writers and indie Oscar Bait Directors who can't direct action movies Challenge. Impossible.

There's no way Monica Rambeau actually says "I can see light" in the movie right?

Didn't watch the trailer but it's apparently really bad

Didn't Samuel L. Jackson give this exact same line reading in the trailer for the first Avengers movie? His line reading was different in the film I think but its interesting that they have him saying a cliche line from a 11 year old movie.

They are truly running out of ideas at this point...

Here's the thing. Is this my one of my least anticipated MCU's movies. For sure. But I will most likely be seeing it with my friends and their 7 year old daughter, who loved MS. Marvel and can not wait for this movie. Maybe we can stop being jaded butt adults for like 5 minutes about a silly comic book movie as some coin these things. The amount of people who post multiple times in this thread about how awful this looks and how bad it will flop never ceases to amaze me. I have no interest in most of the horror movies that have released or are coming out and think most of them look like shit to be honest but I do not go in those threads and say it over and over again.

Well, you know what they say-- misery loves company. And seeing as i generally don't take my issues out on other people, seeing highly anticipated big budget movies fail is where I get my kicks. The key is to be deeply unhappy with your life and socially withdrawn.

: This is utterly sad lmao.

Just let people enjoy things!

I don't think there is any possibility for this one to be good. I mean, how? Cameo from No Way Home? Or HK action team of Shang-Chi? Another "good-bye guys" like third Guardians? The last thing Marvel Studios are willing to do at this point is telling a good story or using CGI in right way. The whole multiverse saga is just a mess. No more gimmick this time. And people won't buy it.

: Do you think those are the only reasons those movies got good reviews???

: It's clearly because Marvel pays films critics, what are you talking about

They met each other!

Marvel is not able to touch people's hearts like old days.

: To be clear, you are defining "the old days" as Guardians 3, a movie that released this year.

You can toss out a million excuses and defenses and claim that there is nothing wrong with the modern MCU but the fact is The Marvels is tracking poorly with pre-sales and Marvel movies thrive on pre-sales. There is a problem no matter what the defense squad claims.

: I don't see why you keep acting like The Marvels is the rule and not an exception. Apparently one sub-100 opening out of the last 7 movies is the death of the franchise?

I have never said anything about a death sentence. Never. Not once. I said that the franchise is in trouble. It is in a slump due to inconsistent quality and overexposure. It is not a healthy franchise right now. Please do not ascribe hyperbole to me that I never engaged in.

The soys are like they immediately shit up anything they touch

Disney will allow social media reaction to pre-screens to appear only in the same day the movie hits theatres. This shows that the Mouse knows the movie is shit and wants to keep this hidden for as long as possible. Multiple posters point this out

: God it'll be hysterical of the reviews are not as disastrous as you all are predicting

I have no idea about how much it's going to do on RT score. I am intrigued with Davis saying that there are surprises though. He doesn't usually hype this kind of thing out of nowhere. It's a pointless exercise to try and predict RT film scores, it fluctuates too much unlike videogames MC scores.

Davis works for fandango right? I dunno if hes ever seen a movie that he hasn't liked to put it mildly.

These are the only people still defending The Marvels

some user has behind the scenes knowledge that Disney doesn't have much faith in the movie's quality

our brave capeshit hero decided to call him out by linking to another comment he made in a completely unrelated thread

This is peak BOT. I'm curious, where do you heard about this? Reddit? Twitter? Or are Marvel Studios filming in Goiás, Brazil? It's not lost on me that you kept insinuating that I was ‘attacking' Scorsese on the weekend thread when I was talking about a serious topic. All I'm saying is: what you say about me, take a good look at your own actions. The pettiness is what levels down the discourse here, it's the personal attacks, the insinuations. You don't know how much faith Disney has or has not in this film. You don't have ‘sources', and acting like you do doesn't help anyone. We actually have (had) people that work in the industry, some actually at Marvel Studios around here. Just don't act like you have some sort of privileged info.

I can't believe i'm about to enter in this but let's go.

What the frick whatever i said here have anything to do with the Killers Of The Flower Moon discussion?

I didn't insinuate anything to you, i said what i said very clearly to the person i actually though it was being ironic. I quoted the person and said to him directly that i though he was weaponizing indigenous words to his own benefit, and I'll post the receipts here before you twist this.

If i didn't quote you and said it, it's not about you. But now that you posted a ridiculous rant about something totally unrelated to this thread, I'm starting to question this guilty try of a “gotcha” post that sure shows a lot more about you than about me.

I never personally attacked you, i didn't insinuate anything to you, shockingly not everything that happens on this forum is about you. Frick, even my post that you posted here wasn't quoting you, so why the heck you're acting like it?

And what exactly you're implying here saying where i live? This is supposed to be a threat or a way to shame me? Maybe you didn't noticed but we live in a globalized world, there's something called internet, i don't need to live on US to talk to people that could know about stuff. I said what I've heard, without attacking anyone and not even the movie, i'm not obligating anyone here to believe.

It's kinda funny to read your sermon about pettiness when you're the one that took a relevant discussion from another thread about another movie with things that i said to other person, posted here and get mad about it without anyone ever saying anything to you. Look at yourself, read this pathetic post that you posted here starting a fight and then think about pettiness again.

Eric Mouse ( ) i'm sorry about this post, but i felt personally attacked without doing anything and gave myself the right to answer and defend myself from it. If you have to ban me for this it's ok, but i'm feeling very weird about someone taking some post i did in other unrelated thread addressed to another person and posting here trying to humiliate me publically when i didn't do anything.

Jannies! He's harassing meeee!!

(Also notice how this guy is apologizing for this post, the mop wielders tend to be really trigger happy here)

ZattMurdock has been threadbanned for 24 hours for personal attacks towards other users and making accusations against them. As a message to everybody, while I understand it can be frustrating to see people be negative on a movie you are excited about, please be respectful and courteous. You are allowed to disagree and argue with others, but you don't need to go into any insults or attacks or accusations. We are adults, so I expect people here to behave like adults. Thank you.

The jannies are finally here! And for once they ban the woke Disney shills

And that was the saga of Disney's mightiest defender, RIP (until tomorrow at least)

(threadbanned - not allowed to post in that specific thread, but can post freely everywhere else)

I'm personally praying for Brie Larson because she is going to get killed by the griftubers with their 10 hour video demonizing her.

Nooo, you can't waste days making angry videos about random brave qween actresses, noooo!

what the heck is this movie? Is it for ten year olds? They might as well just put up a sign saying "adults, don't bother"

There's a mini-trailer linked in the comment, go watch it! It's hysterically bad

All Marvel movies are for 10 year olds, mate

The jannie has decided to join the Marvel mockery

Another proof that shaked the forum was Luiz. Luiz Fernando is a hobbyist boxoffice tracker who is famous for how he tries to spin every possible number in a positive way. He's been accused of being a shill for every single studio out there but the guy is just really optimistic and excitable. And this is what he just posted about the Marvels. TL;DR: it will probably bomb hard.

Even Good Old Luiz has soured on Marvels.

It is so over.

Oh no. Luiz is actually doomposting? I gotta get in on that under John Carter club.

John Carter is the biggest boxoffice failure ever. Recently lots of movies were compared to it, from Elementals (which recovered to a mild underperformance status), Indiana Jones, The Flash and now tentatively The Marvels.

wtf. previews 2 days before. reviews the day before. that john carter club is looking appealing rn.

More users bringing up John Carter

Thanks for the shoutout! If you all want to join the club, now is a great time! Those interested should do so before the movie opens!

This guy predicted the movie will be a disaster for a while and got bullied for it

This is it! I hope you guys liked a sneak peak into a completely new neurodivergent biome There's a lot more happening in the thread in anyone is curious.

https://twitter.com/cfree94/status/1749791812338782673

https://twitter.com/YSLONIKA/status/1749793819158012282

https://twitter.com/scddevereaux/status/1749792570840907879

https://twitter.com/ShirleighShirlz/status/1749793346644488210

https://twitter.com/iwishyoudfly2me/status/1749793226494447721

!kino

‘THE BOY AND THE HERON’ wins Best Motion Picture: Animated at the #GoldenGlobes pic.twitter.com/LLbEy5zn0v

— Film Updates (@FilmUpdates) January 8, 2024

For those who don't know The Boy and The Heron is the latest Miyazaki film that was released to critical acclaim but tepid audience reaction because it was too "weird". People here are probably aware of the Spiderverse animated flicks but not how massively overrated they're amongst online "cinephiles". Not only does this film have a rabid capeshit fanbase but it has also managed to rope in the wokes and the film twitter/letterboxd crowd (seriously it was the highest ranked film of all time on letterboxd).

Because Miyazaki's film had a lukewarm audience reception it was a genuine surprise it won over Across the Spiderverse. Suffice to say, these nerds are not taking it well . Some of the reactions.

What do you mean Across the Spiderverse didn't win best animated movie at the Golden Globes

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WDYM ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE LOST ????!!?!? they so wrong for that omg

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genuinely cannot believe across the spiderverse lost

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Across the Spiderverse was snubbed, wtf is the boy & the heron.

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you're telling me Spider-Man Across the Spiderverse won…. nothing?

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yall so fricking weird yall know its because spiderverse was mostly black and poc driven neighbors got a right to be upset LOL

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Across the Spiderverse robbed

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This winning over spiderman is insane

Of course, we also have weebs acting smug over this .

“spider-verse was robbed”

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Preschool twitter fighting for their life of Across the Spider-Verse not winning

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them miguel fics and the yt cop girl with the bang doesn't mean it deserved an award cope and seeth

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Wait Spiderverse didn't win anything at the rigged Globes?

It was basically the equivalent of jangling keys for babies. Except for a certain demo instead

Now, this doesn't guarantee that The Boy and The Heron will win at the Oscars and apparently it only won at the Golden Globes because it has a more "International" voting body now. Spiderverse is still the frontrunner for the Oscars. Still, the meltdown would be 100x this if Spiderverse were to lose at the Oscars. Hope they act based for once and piss all over capeshit this year but I'm not holding my breath over it .

!fellas !kino !anime

I will never cease to be amazed by the very nuanced way Chinese propaganda movies portray the US Army pic.twitter.com/h16LmwLQaA

— AustroKraut 🇦🇹 (@Kraut73931587) October 13, 2022

First look at Sydney Sweeney, Celeste O’Connor and Isabela Merced as Julia Carpenter, Mattie Franklin and Anya Corazon in ‘MADAME WEB’.

In theaters on February 14. pic.twitter.com/LbgRLkJGVD

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) November 15, 2023

Will it be good?

...and locked the thread because of it, cowards

Or to become a mockery on some incel website with posts clearly made by someone that clearlu is an active poster here?

https://rdrama.net/h/kino/post/214604/neurodivergent-long-effortpost-i-dont-think?sort=new

The MCU is likely not going away in our lifetimes. Neither the MCU fans. Just like the Star Wars fans before them. What is a shame is how this small community has deteriorated itself, it used to be a cool place. But clearly, if people don't feel welcome here, they will find somewhere else where they can have a civil conversation without people constantly poisoning the well. Anyway, back to Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and pizza.

Our brave Disney fighter () is the one who discovered the post, since he apparently googles his own name

And Zatt buddy, I didn't single you out actually, but your comments amount to half of that 200-something pages long thread, it was impossible to not write about you. You really really need to touch some grass

TL;DR: Users that have their whole online personality on BOT based on hating The Marvels shouldn't be posting here to begin with, hence why when there was a Flame Wars thread still around things were at least somewhat more controlled. If BOT is content on providing material to incels to make threads about us talking here, if that's the current state of BOT, I'd wager all of us have better use of our time than keyboard warrioring here.

If it makes you feel any better, I have no idea what the Flame Wars thread is, so it existing or not wouldn't have changed anything about this post. But I fully support the creation of a new soyshit battleground

This is precisely the type of thing that left untreated will fester and slowly erode a community like this one, driving away members and productive engagement.

It should be relatively easy to track down which members made their way in here from that place, if the willingness to do so is there. But I'm honestly not sure anymore if the willingness to do it is even there at the moment. I suspect it might not be.

You'll never catch me losers

please note that posters who are problematic for whatever reason are getting treatments and are getting punished, including that boxoff53 fellow, who was given warning points for their behavior. The staff are trying their absolute best to make sure such posters are taken care of swiftly and properly punished. We are not perfect at this, and we are not going to censor everything that some posters may not like, but we are trying to take care of it. Reporting such posters is also very beneficial and helpful for us

And the closing post from the admins. I just singled this part out to remind you that if you're naughty the jannies will give you bad boy points and you'll regret it

Maybe after reviews for this film drop, but right now, claiming this film's presales doing poorly when none of the actors can do promotion is confirmation change needs to happen is premature.

This movie is in an even worse shape than my last post (could have a $45m opening, as opposed to the $50-60m opening predicted then), but I'm sure Brie Larson making few more constipated faces on television would have totally saved The Marvels

(Btw, when I went to my previous post to check it I mentioned Zatt Murdok by name it crashed my browser I love Homoween )

According to /teeveee/, they fake out his death during the first episode and he's gone for the majority of the show .

No, I don't mind spoiling this show for you. I think it's cringe, even the source material.

!fellas !anime

Totally true. I radically overestimated the taste of the American public. Guilty. https://t.co/BtVJxTSBsv

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) August 7, 2023

Tbh of the films to break $1 billion it's probably one of the better ones. There's only a few there I'd definitely say are better

Not even his fellow rightoids are all in agreement

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1688552575476404224

Actually it was a psyop by the CIA to steal the Sound of Freedom's great box office numbers

https://twitter.com/HausPage/status/1688551538321485824

https://twitter.com/LauraAn52765054/status/1688553529470828545

The movie has a $250mil budget and was marketed to heck and back so it's estimated that it needs at least $625mil to break even (probably even more due to marketing). Problem? Asia hates it's guts, Europe is unimpressed, the movie underperforms among whites in America (the main movie going demographic) and the newest Spider-Man cartoon will come out next week. It currently does well in America but there's a good chance that it won't have legs since apparently only blacks are impressed with the black mermaid. And the domestic audience needs to make up for the international one too

Thats worse than Antman or better

Worse

ouch

Dumbo opened better internationally than this

Some context on how the movie is faring right now

Also, the /r/boxoffice moderators aren't up yet which means the chuds get to have their fun:

The road to 1B WW is as far as the distance between her eyes

Such a weird comment to make get out of here

I state nothing but the truth.

This sub was meant to be about predicting and analyzing box office data, not insulting the appearance of others. Go outside

Wow appearance of the main actor/actress is one of the factors to determine the success of one movies. I want to see a princess movies, not a gangsta one

Holy shit, yikes. You guys are really showing your true colors on discussions about this movie. Nothing about a black women gives off “gangsta”, except the fact that she’s black

Sorry, i take that back. Not a gangsta but a hiphop/ rnb one then

Lol I love how you’re using hip hop/rnb as an attempt at being racist but that’s one of black people’s greatest impacts and accomplishments on culture

Once again, libs prove to be more racist than conservatives

Also I'll be honest, I made this post exclusively for this exchange

Wait for a black Rapunzel with dreadlocks

that wouldn't happen at all, because black women don't like their hair touched by strangers

It will happen, i bet. What i anticipate more is a white MLK, the reaction from some people would be huge, lol

As I've been told many, many times, the race of an actor doesn't matter so long as the acting is good, and you're a racist if you complain about it. There's no reason a white MLK should be a problem with these people.

So true, then the same people will go riot if a white MLK happens

Yeah before they needlessly make Rapunzel a Latinx girl to shove diversity down our throats.

Snow white would do fine as long as it had Dwarves and cast a white actor as Snow White... oh, wait.

Yep, Peter Dinkalge made an angry comment about the film having dwarfs, then some days later Disney announced it would change them in the film. Then they changed the name of the film to simply "Snow White". Other actors with dwarfism were pissed at Dinklage tho lol

A multi-billion corp bent down to suck an Imp’s peepee. Thats a new low, even for Disney LOL

That is in fact one way to view the situation. Seems like a well adjusted take. Have a good day

and cast a non-white actress as Snow White....

So, 'Skin as average as Joe?"

Lol a a movies about dwarves without dwarves. Id rather see the porn parody, at least snowwhite is white in that movies

Well, Snow White isn't even white lol.

The entire comment section is a battleground right now

And I love that even the title “Snow White” is considered controversial because…she isn’t white. So then you have the replacement theory advocates pointing out that even Snow White can’t be white, which only validates their bigoted point of view. If people are gonna b-word about a black fish, can you imagine what the response will be when the marketing for that starts? It sounds like Disney’s Bud Light waiting to happen and they should probably just dump it on Disney+ to lessen the damage.

The Bud Light protest really spooked them.

The entire thing is still going and the mods either didn't notice yet or don't care, if you want to check it out

"I live by one rule. If Gen Z says it or thinks it, it's wrong."

rules to live by

From the moment Disney announced that Halle Bailey would star in a live-action remake of The Little Mermaid, racists have bitterly complained that a Black girl might play a fictional magic fish person on film. Because of course they have.

There are good reasons to be mad at this film, another in a series of unnecessary and by definition unoriginal remakes, about the virtues of a woman giving up her family and the very core of her being in order to land a man.

But casting isn’t one of them.

Alas, they wanna be where the white people are, and they’ve found an answer to their woes.

Multiple folks on Twitter immediately focused on the poster boiling down “woke” to just be a synonym for “Black,” a rare moment of pure honesty about what these folks really mean when they complain about it.

Sadly, my brain is permanently fried by years of legal practice so my takeaway was this:

You know, the lawyers who so zealously guard the company’s intellectual property they pretty much single-handedly broke the whole copyright regime to suit their own interests and who historically run to court against companies marketing altered versions of their films? Those folks.

You want thingamabobs? They’ve got 20! And in this sentence thingamabobs are causes of action for copyright and trademark infringement.

Even these live action remakes that no one asked for seem like a Hail Mary legal play to set up some backdoor claim that the substantially similar scripts used in the NEW movie — which gets a new copyright — might give them some limited leverage against future creators trying to work with the original story when it enters the public domain. It’s hard to shake the feeling that this is all part of a far-flung future brief that says, “We grant that Dumbo the 1941 film is public domain… but when the defendant’s work features this scene it is actually infringing our 2019 version of Dumbo.” This shouldn’t work and would make a mockery of the whole purpose behind keeping copyright protection limited, but… can’t fault them if they try.

Anyway, by all means try to sell a digitally altered version of a Disney movie and see what happens! They may just send Chip & Dale after overseas pirates, but trying to take the exact same movie, edit it for the benefit of the most insecure bigots on the planet, and then sell it back?

Disney will undoubtedly be watching the boards and waiting to bring the real legal firepower for that one.

Meghan Markle Calls Out ‘Austin Powers,’ ‘Kill Bill,’ ‘Full Metal Jacket’ For “Toxic Stereotyping” Of Asian Women

In her return to her Spotify podcast, Archetypes, after the death of Queen Elizabeth II, Meghan Markle takes on one of the most prominent stereotypes of Asian women on screen: The Dragon Lady.

Markle maintainted that, “This toxic stereotyping of women of Asian descent…this doesn’t just end once the credits roll.”

As a case in point, she introduces sociologist Nancy Wang Yuen who wrote about the Dragon Lady stereotype in her book Reel Inequality: Hollywood Actors and Racism.

Yuen told the story of being catcalled by a man using a line out of Full Metal Jacket while she was traveling to an academic conference.

Yuen explained, “I knew why because I looked around and I thought and I saw that I was the only Asian woman in that area.

She goes on to detail the line’s enduring popularity, being referenced in a hit song by 2 Live Crew as well as in “shows like South Park and films like The 40 Year Old Virgin.”

So even Encanto's $40M 5-day opening is dead. This will likely not even reach $90M then.

This is even lower than films like Penguins of Madagascar and Rise of the Guardians. Outside of Strange World and Croods 2 (since it was 2020), we haven't had the top animated film during Thanksgiving gross this little since Arthur Christmas in 2011.

Disney adults had gotten waaaaay too smug and uppity the past decade as a result of Disney's boxoffice domination. Seeing them crawl back into their holes in recent years has been a pleasure .