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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32994922
https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/xplhql/gas_leak_in_the_baltic_sea/?sort=controversial
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1574778395359166464
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1574743941597073412
https://nitter.net/disclosetv/status/1574684197846908929#m
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1574784357063364608
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Nord%20Stream%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
https://nitter.42l.fr/JackPosobiec/status/1574785592856018945
https://rdrama.net/post/108135/nordstreams-probably-borked
https://rdrama.net/post/108063/rworldnews-nord-stream-operator-says-three
https://rdrama.net/post/108007/someone-marseyglancing-marseyburger-marseyglancing-attacked-both
https://rdrama.net/post/108007/someone-marseyglancing-marseyburger-marseyglancing-attacked-both
https://rdrama.org/h/slackernews/post/108071/gas-leaks-in-russian-pipelines-to
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https://archived.moe/pol/thread/397206628
https://archived.moe/pol/catalog#s=Nord
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MOSCOW, Sept 27 (Reuters) - Three offshore lines of the Nord Stream gas pipeline system on the bed of the Baltic Sea sustained "unprecedented" damage in one day, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the network, said on Tuesday.
read more Nord Stream AG said it was impossible to estimate when the gas network system's working capability would be restored.
Russia blames faulty equipment at a key compressor station and Western sanctions over Ukraine for its idling.
The project was halted altogether just days before Moscow sent its troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24.
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prob the poles that done it
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This was unironically my first thought.
It makes no sense for either the US (very little reward for a massive, alliance-shattering gamble while they're already well ahead) or Russia (removes their best negotiating tool from the table right when they are shoring up their bargaining position w/ mobilization).
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IMO the poles did it on behest of the burgers but we'll see
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If the US signed off on this or was the one pushing them to do it, it better be layered behind plenty of organizations, agencies, and people because the Baltic Sea is relatively shallow and filled with sensors of all kinds. It's a carefully watched body of water so there are no shortage of ways that evidence can be found.
If it was the US and Germany and/or France caught on, this could be NATO-shattering in terms of significance.
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Can we get an update on Turkey please
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A rift between Germany/France and the US would be far more significant than a rift between Turkey and the rest of NATO. I doubt the UK would be too pleased, either.
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Uk would be more pissed that we werent told about it than you guys blowing up a russian bargaining chip lmao
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It was reported that an elite Polish GROM operative rumored to be working undercover on black ops, Samul Hydolonski was sighted leaving the area in RHIB boat, heavily armed and heading to Kaliningrad
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Any family connection to Sim Hydowitz, the Ghost of Kiev?
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You think any nato 'ally' has the balls to actually accuse USA of doing this publicly? Lmfao.
I just don't see anyone else having military capability to do this covertly, Baltic Sea probably has the most intensive submarine detection infra anywhere in the globe, only one who could pull it off would be the one with control of said infra.
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I never said anything about public accusations.
Multiple countries, including Russia, have lots of eyes on that body of water, not just the US.
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To shatter the alliance it'd have to be public accusations, how else would it be justified to the public?
True but US probably has the best stealth submarines and all three leaks look like they're in Swedish/Danish waters which would be much more closely monitored by NATO than Russia.
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no
The US wouldn't use a Virginia, Seawolf, or Los Angeles to do something like this.
Ignoring that Sweden didn't join NATO until this year, Russia still has a ton of eyes in the Baltic. Not to mention that the US isn't in a position to control/cover all Swedish or Dutch-controlled monitoring, even with its dominant position in NATO.
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How else would they justify leaving NATO lol? Even assuming they actually have their country's interests at heart and not just personal advancement through licking Atlanticist boots which TBH is the case for most westoid politicians.
Why not?
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Because there's an entire spectrum of signalling and information revelation aside from a giant public announcement? Because it doesn't even need to be public to destroy the inter-agency/military cooperation that comprises NATO? Because an alliance can still exist in name without having any teeth to it (cough cough CSTO)?
Why not what? Why wouldn't the US use a fast attack class submarine to do something as unavoidably noisy as sabotage a commercial underwater pipeline in a shallow body of water monitored by multiple countries, including non-NATO ones?
Well, for one, it would be far easier and more expedient for an alphabet soup agency to use a deniable, commercial solution to do the same without exposing major US military assets. That's one of many answers to your stupid question.
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Establishments of NATO countries are too interwoven for them to decouple easily. And as for CSTO I think Armenia's case shows quiet clearly how ruthless actual geopolitical logic is no matter what individuals or even populations want. Armenians wanted to former Warsaw Pactmaxx and dump Russia for USA, then they got reality checked by Turks and Azeris pushing their shit in and NATO looking the other way. Russia is effectively the only thing saving them from total destruction right now.
NATOids are in a similar situation, Western Yuros literally have no other option. All the cope about them rebuilding their militaries even after this is just that, cope, you can't make an army out of the absolute pacifist cuckolds that are 99% of their population.
A commercial solution would make loose ends, using a US military asset would reduce chance of news leaking and also signal to 'allies' not to start genuine investigations. And even if Russia does detect it, do you think anyone would believe them if they break the news? Cause again, lol at that.
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It was the Russian combat whale
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We all know whats going on
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Then it must be one of them
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On the day we announced the opening of our own pipe... Coincidence?
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I remain sceptical. It's not that you don't lack the moral fibre necessary but I just don't believe you're cunning enough to think of it.
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sabotage that one next please
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Pretty much everyone could have done this. Americans, Poles, Ukrainians, Baltics, Russians themselves but not Germay though. Our gov. isn't bloodthirsty at all
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Yeah, but the poles both stand to benefit the most and have the ability to do it.
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I can't even begin to explain how unbelievably stupid you have to be to even entertain for a moment the idea that anyone but the US did it
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