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It's a good thing a lot of these Silicon Valley types are mostly clueless r-slurs outside of software development, and prone to buying into hype.

And Steve is concerned about what he describes as the sort of temporary loss of our government and institutions to the point that he got eye surgery so that he's no longer near-sighted because he believes that if you have contacts or glasses in the event of some sort of crackup of civilization, then that will make you likely to be a victim.

:marseylaugh: Steve, you'd be fricked anyway because you're a soft Bay Area nerd who has no useful skillset outside of writing code and running Reddit poorly.

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Maybe that's why he married Serena, so she can protect him. Pr maybe I'm thinking of the other one, IDK I don't keep up with reddit janitors even when they are paid

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fr, its not like they have a bunch of government contracts, and :marseyspyglow: connections.

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It's so cute when rich people think that their money will mean anything without a strong government in existence to enforce contracts

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When one government falls another or more will emerge from the chaos. Those governments are typically founded by the people with resources. Its not like chaos exists sustainably. Even in war torn Africa there is rich people running shit and poor people working for breadcrumbs or in chains.

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I'm curious about their gun collections

The politics of their groups are extremely anti gun, but there's no fricking way you're preparing for the apocalypse without hoarding guns and ammo.

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The politics of their groups are extremely anti gun,

deep down the politics was always anti poor people having guns, mainly so that we dont raid their compounds during the mass cullings.

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You don't need a gun when you've built a series of interconnected underground bunkers with other rich people.

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you definitely do, or else there is no stopping other people from entering your underground tunnels, shooting you, and taking them as their new base.

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How the frick are you getting into the bunker? You gonna kick the door down? Are you r-slurred?

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Nothing is impenetrable.

Break through concrete walls with sledge or jack hammer.

Or they have to get air from somewhere unless they have some type of underground forest.

Block their air intakes and exhausts and they will have to come out.

Or get some thermite or w/e and burn through that shit.

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Where there's a will there's a way, particularly if what's inside is of great value to someone with a will to do something other than just lay down and wait to die.

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There was an article last year written by some guy (probably larping) claiming he was a consultant on the bunker building of all these billionaires. It claims they're insanely paranoid and are looking for techies to tell them there's a solution to having some warlord execute them and take all their stockpiles (which there isn't). I don't know if I believe anything in the article was real. I posted it here at the time, I'll try to find it again. But at some point the writer also talks about regular people trying to doom-prep and how all the normal people are trying to form communities ahead of time so that they're not one man against the world when the apocalypse comes.

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Are they gonna live in their bunkers forever? What will they eat after 3-5 years?

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Neighbors act like every redneck can't make tannerite. Your doors can't resist near infinite high explosives


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You should read up on the private conversation Putin had with the Russian oligarchs shortly after he took power. You know, the one where he made it clear to them who was in charge. That's the kind of thing you're describing when you say "When one government falls another will rise from the chaos."

It's like... you're definitely not wrong, but you're really obfuscating a lot of wild shit with that one euphemistic phrase

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An authoritarian government is still a government. My point is that the idea of roving bands of poors simply going into purge mode with butlers stabbing their rich employers in the back and taking there gold is unlikely/wouldnt last very long after the dust of whatever cataclysm that lead to that settles. Afterward some kind of governments or governments would form and take hold and probably have their own organized skirmishes for power. Rich people who survive that will do so because they will have been rich, but alsp because they picked the right alliances. The poors wont have as good a chance as the rich in either case. imho

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So if American's "new government" turns out to be like Venezuela you're confident in your ability to thrive because you "picked the right alliances"?

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No, butt I assume the rich would have a better time than the poor. Why do you think Im talking about myself?

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I assume the rich would have a better time than the poor

That's what they assumed in the Russian Revolution also. And yet...

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butlers stabbing their rich employers in the back

They would never! :marseypearlclutch:

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Money isn't a resource in the apocalypse. Did you learn nothing from mad max?

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Money buys resources. He probably isnt gonna be counting on a pallet of greenbacks in his basement. He'll probably have lots of highly tradeable goods stored up and precious metals

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Those governments are typically founded by the people with resources.

What "resources" will Zuckerberg have sitting in his fancy bunker? At best he might have gold bullion, which would do frickall for rebuilding civilization and would likely just be stolen from him when he emerges to try to barter his way back to power.

Even in war torn Africa there is rich people running shit

Because their wealth is stored in the West.

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What "resources"

probably food, potable water, guns/ammo, seeds, advanced computers, running electricity, probably a few boston dynamic ai cyborgs

Because their wealth is stored in the West.

something something globalization. That also doesnt counter my point

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probably food, potable water, guns/ammo

They're going to have enough for a handful of people.

seeds

lol

running electricity

For a bunker and a small family. Not an electrical grid.

advanced computers

A couple computers aren't gonna mean shit when the priorities are growing food, building shelter, and re-establishing order.

You have no idea what actual survivalism entails. None of that will make them rich and powerful after a civilizational collapse. The new rich and powerful will be the warlords who can marshall the firepower to re-establish a monopoly of force under their local regime.

That also doesnt counter my point

Yes it does. The Western financial system and economies are where these rich Africans store their wealth. If civilization collapses, there won't be anymore wealth.

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warlords who can marshall firepower

so rich people/military industrial complex connected people

You have no idea what actual survivalism

You dont know either, because you dont even know what cataclysm we would be trying to survive.

The Western financial system and economies are where these rich Africans store their wealth. If civilization collapses, there won't be anymore wealth.

because africa had no money/civilization b4 westerners showed up. Lmao dont be a racist

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so rich people/military industrial complex connected people

Naw, more likely field grade officers, police chiefs, i.e. the people who can rally and lead the guys who are trained in organized violence. Maybe there are some "rich and connected" who can help keep things running, too, but the power inevitably goes to the guys who can command the most people with guns. The late Roman Empire and the Warlord period in China are instructive on this matter.

You dont know either, because you dont even know what cataclysm we would be trying to survive.

You're the one citing "boston dynamic ai cyborgs" as a useful thing in a survivalist scenario.

because africa had no money/civilization b4 westerners showed up. Lmao dont be a racist

Wtf are you talking about? I'm talking about modern rich Africans storing their wealth offshore to keep it away from local instability. During a regime collapse, the ones who don't store their wealth offshore have it sacked and stolen either by the next regime or during general unrest. You're the one that brought up "war torn Africa".

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Except, unlike Africa, if the literal world fell into chaos there'd be no wealthy countries to contribute aid.

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Government contracts and connections to tell them what? That there's instability in the world? You think these connections have a countdown timer to "the collapse" that they share with their closest friends?

Edit: From the NPR article:

I had a fascinating conversation with Stewart Brand for this story about survivalism in Silicon Valley. And I called him up and I said, what do you make of this? He's been in that community for 40 years. And I said, what do you make of this? And he said, you know, I dabbled in survivalism, he said, in the '70s.

He tried it for a little while. But he decided it was kind of strange, the idea that walking around believing that the world was about to end. And what he said is that over the years, he's become much more impressed by examples of resilience rather than examples of frailty. For example, in the last 10 years, the United States has weathered a recession, the largest recession since the Great Depression. It now has unemployment at low, manageable levels. There was an Ebola crisis, which was predicted to be much worse in the end than it ultimately was.

It was certainly costly, but it was nowhere near what it could have been. And that was because people took it upon themselves to do something about it. And then another example would be Japan that suffered this tsunami and a cascade of nuclear meltdowns. And from that, yet, it has soldiered on. And so what Stewart Brand said is that the hardest problem that we face today is not the idea that the world is about to end, this idea which we circulate among ourselves, let's say, online in these communities.

But it actually is the much more mundane but more likely scenario, which is that we chug on, that we continue and we are faced with these practical problems, social problems about how do we help the neediest members of our society and how do we make sure that people are taken care of who need it?

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What? No? I totally doubt that a billionaire who made his billions by being an information broker and owner of a mass surveillance apparatus would have inside information. The idea of super rich people having access to and leveraging information that isnt readily accessible to the poors is ridiculous. Also its a total coincidence that Facebook was founded the same day DARPA cancelled there Life-Log program:

The objective of the LifeLog concept was "to be able to trace the 'threads' of an individual's life in terms of events, states, and relationships", and it has the ability to "take in all of a subject's experience, from phone numbers dialed and e-mail messages viewed to every breath taken, step made and place gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog

February 4th, 2004: Pengagon kills lifelog project

https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project

February 4th, 2004: Facebook founded

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

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Typical peon :marseybrainlet: believing that having access to a lot of information means you can predict the future of an interconnected world of billions.

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Have you not heard of the concept of insider trading? Just like people predicted 9/11 they predicted the pandemic and made fat money off it, you rube.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/14/21258560/senator-richard-burr-coronavirus-insider-trading-scandal-explained

Lol, youre naive af if you think the rich, powerful and connected dont organize/conspire to keep themselves rich powerful and connected.

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they predicted the pandemic and made fat money off it, you rube

You linked an article of a guy who engaged in insider trading a month after coronavirus was known to the world, two weeks after the WHO declared it an international public health emergency. Do you even read the article or do you just look at the headlines?

people predicted 9/11

This is online conspiratard brainrot.

Lol, youre naive af if you think the rich, powerful and connected dont organize/conspire to keep themselves rich powerful and connected.

You're a peon :marseybrainlet: because you think the shenanigans of the powerful gives them prophetic powers to foresee major events well in advance.

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You linked an article of a guy who engaged in insider trading a month after coronavirus was known to the world,

he acted on foreknowlege of what the government response would be

the shenanigans of the powerful gives them prophetic powers to foresee major events well in advance.

Lol, the powerful's shenanigans by their nature cause major events. That's why theyre called powerful, you dunce!

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he acted on foreknowlege of what the government response would be

You retreated from "predicting the pandemic" pretty quickly, huh?

Lol, the powerful's shenanigans by their nature cause major events.

Oh, so now the rich and powerful are going to deliberately cause the collapse that they are fearfully preparing for?

Conspiratard "thinking" in action.

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How did they predict 9/11? :marseyshook:

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I thought eye surgeries didn't work?

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