mmt of in early 2020 and all those CEOs were stepping down
Several notable executives have stepped down or announced that they're stepping down in 2020. In fact, January 2020 set a record for the most CEO departures in the US in one month — 219 in all.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bob-iger-keith-block-ceos-that-stepped-down-in-2020
Also the tech billionaires have been expecting something for a bit
https://observer.com/2019/10/luxury-bunkers-billionaires-apocalypse-nuclear-war
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/511507434
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/business/bunkers-new-zealand-intl-hnk/index.html
Not that any of that was predictive programming, butt DAE member that intro to The Dawn of The Planet of The Apes(2014)
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I mean, if you have Zuckerberg money, why not be prepared? It's not like there are tradeoffs for him.
I just wonder - why Hawaii? Small, isolated, resource-poor and likely to be nuke central should war start.
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Also volcanic, can't be great for a bunker
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Arguably could be beneficial if they build it in volcano tubes.
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Liquid hot magma is a cornerstone of any successful subterranean lair
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All of the volcano tubs outside of the big island are extinct
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Us thinking he's building an escape bunker when in reality he's making a James Bond villain bunker, equipt with the moon magnet...
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Could build a small geothermal powerplant and have a renewable energy source not dependent on the weather though
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Blowing millions on a bunker you'll crawl into to die isn't "being prepared" though
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He is a Judo master. Watch yourself mauraders and cannibals.
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easier to survive against the unwashed masses if there's a fricking ocean between you and them.
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This is mostly it. One reason New Zealand was high on our list for consideration.
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The problem with New Zealand is that if shit really does collapse someone will be able to cobble together a small fleet and invade it pretty easily
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Maybe the military considers it highly important for strategic reasons and he figures that it will be one of the more protected places? The US also has an advanced missle defense system, maybe he trusts its effectiveness?
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If anyone thinks missile defenses are good enough to stop ICBM swarms theyre delusional.
At best theyre meant to reduce loss so the US "wins" the exchange, even if that means only 60% of the pop dies vs 85%.
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Yeah I don't think everyone realizes how unstoppable ICBMs are. Upper atmosphere they're dumping insane amounts of aluminum particles to jam satellite detection and then 10 warheads are traveling at hypersonic speed to individual targets from just one ICBM.
I'm sure they're even more effective these days than back in the Cold War as well.
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Why would anyone nuke the big island? There's literally nothing there except seething drug addled natives and sexually degenerate wypipo.
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Waking up the volcano god
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It's on Kauai which is full of military bases.
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When I saw this discussed on reddit a few weeks ago people were saying his bunker is located on an island far enough away from the Amerikkkan bases, navy, whatever, that he'd probably be fine in his bunker in the event of Jap attack 2.0.
Is it true? Idk, but I'm sure he considered it. Still, you'd think he'd likely be in Commiefornia when SHTF. Seems like a long way to have to fly in an apocalyptic scenerio. Especially if it happens quick and without warning.
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Kauai has lots of military bases. Maybe depending on wind patterns he wouldn't get much fallout on his part of the island but it doesn't seem like a particularly safe choice.
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As long as he's not on Oahu he'd be fine, and even if he were the 5 megaton blast in this simulation is on the high end of what could be expected (modern nukes don't need to have yields that high thanks to missile accuracy improvements, so for example most western-made modern nukes are in the 100-500 kiloton range ie less than 1/10th as large)
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The japs would be busy with china and korea.
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I was just being racist
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maybe he thinks islands are better for not getting rona
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It's thousands of miles away from every continent. If there was a zombie apocalypse, ziggers would never be able to reach hawaii
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Depends on the island. Oahu is gone but the islands on the outskirts, like Kauai or the Big Island, are far enough not to be caught in a nuclear blast.
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If China hits us with 10,000 warheads (roughly what we had pointed at us in the late cold war) they can spare one for Kauai.
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Why tf would they hit an island with less than 70,000 people with not strategic importance?
And China doesn't even have many nukes
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Has some military bases on it. Not terribly important but enough to get in the top 10,000. And it's got an airport with a long runway. Every one of those will be targeted.
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But China doesn't even have that many nukes
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It will soon. They've been vastly expanding their arsenal in the last couple decades and there's no reason for them to stop. Remember the US reached something like 30,000 in the early 1960s already.
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By that logic wouldn't every island with a large enough runway get nuked in French Polynesia?
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Probably.
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Well I don't believe you
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Why do you ask if you're not going to accept the answer?
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It's a good thing a lot of these Silicon Valley types are mostly clueless r-slurs outside of software development, and prone to buying into hype.
Steve, you'd be fricked anyway because you're a soft Bay Area nerd who has no useful skillset outside of writing code and running Reddit poorly.
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fr, its not like they have a bunch of government contracts, and connections.
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It's so cute when rich people think that their money will mean anything without a strong government in existence to enforce contracts
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When one government falls another or more will emerge from the chaos. Those governments are typically founded by the people with resources. Its not like chaos exists sustainably. Even in war torn Africa there is rich people running shit and poor people working for breadcrumbs or in chains.
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I'm curious about their gun collections
The politics of their groups are extremely anti gun, but there's no fricking way you're preparing for the apocalypse without hoarding guns and ammo.
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deep down the politics was always anti poor people having guns, mainly so that we dont raid their compounds during the mass cullings.
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You don't need a gun when you've built a series of interconnected underground bunkers with other rich people.
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you definitely do, or else there is no stopping other people from entering your underground tunnels, shooting you, and taking them as their new base.
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How the frick are you getting into the bunker? You gonna kick the door down? Are you r-slurred?
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Nothing is impenetrable.
Break through concrete walls with sledge or jack hammer.
Or they have to get air from somewhere unless they have some type of underground forest.
Block their air intakes and exhausts and they will have to come out.
Or get some thermite or w/e and burn through that shit.
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Where there's a will there's a way, particularly if what's inside is of great value to someone with a will to do something other than just lay down and wait to die.
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There was an article last year written by some guy (probably larping) claiming he was a consultant on the bunker building of all these billionaires. It claims they're insanely paranoid and are looking for techies to tell them there's a solution to having some warlord execute them and take all their stockpiles (which there isn't). I don't know if I believe anything in the article was real. I posted it here at the time, I'll try to find it again. But at some point the writer also talks about regular people trying to doom-prep and how all the normal people are trying to form communities ahead of time so that they're not one man against the world when the apocalypse comes.
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Are they gonna live in their bunkers forever? What will they eat after 3-5 years?
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Neighbors act like every redneck can't make tannerite. Your doors can't resist near infinite high explosives
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You should read up on the private conversation Putin had with the Russian oligarchs shortly after he took power. You know, the one where he made it clear to them who was in charge. That's the kind of thing you're describing when you say "When one government falls another will rise from the chaos."
It's like... you're definitely not wrong, but you're really obfuscating a lot of wild shit with that one euphemistic phrase
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An authoritarian government is still a government. My point is that the idea of roving bands of poors simply going into purge mode with butlers stabbing their rich employers in the back and taking there gold is unlikely/wouldnt last very long after the dust of whatever cataclysm that lead to that settles. Afterward some kind of governments or governments would form and take hold and probably have their own organized skirmishes for power. Rich people who survive that will do so because they will have been rich, but alsp because they picked the right alliances. The poors wont have as good a chance as the rich in either case. imho
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So if American's "new government" turns out to be like Venezuela you're confident in your ability to thrive because you "picked the right alliances"?
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No, butt I assume the rich would have a better time than the poor. Why do you think Im talking about myself?
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That's what they assumed in the Russian Revolution also. And yet...
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They would never!
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Money isn't a resource in the apocalypse. Did you learn nothing from mad max?
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Money buys resources. He probably isnt gonna be counting on a pallet of greenbacks in his basement. He'll probably have lots of highly tradeable goods stored up and precious metals
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What "resources" will Zuckerberg have sitting in his fancy bunker? At best he might have gold bullion, which would do frickall for rebuilding civilization and would likely just be stolen from him when he emerges to try to barter his way back to power.
Because their wealth is stored in the West.
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probably food, potable water, guns/ammo, seeds, advanced computers, running electricity, probably a few boston dynamic ai cyborgs
something something globalization. That also doesnt counter my point
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They're going to have enough for a handful of people.
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For a bunker and a small family. Not an electrical grid.
A couple computers aren't gonna mean shit when the priorities are growing food, building shelter, and re-establishing order.
You have no idea what actual survivalism entails. None of that will make them rich and powerful after a civilizational collapse. The new rich and powerful will be the warlords who can marshall the firepower to re-establish a monopoly of force under their local regime.
Yes it does. The Western financial system and economies are where these rich Africans store their wealth. If civilization collapses, there won't be anymore wealth.
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so rich people/military industrial complex connected people
You dont know either, because you dont even know what cataclysm we would be trying to survive.
because africa had no money/civilization b4 westerners showed up. Lmao dont be a racist
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Naw, more likely field grade officers, police chiefs, i.e. the people who can rally and lead the guys who are trained in organized violence. Maybe there are some "rich and connected" who can help keep things running, too, but the power inevitably goes to the guys who can command the most people with guns. The late Roman Empire and the Warlord period in China are instructive on this matter.
You're the one citing "boston dynamic ai cyborgs" as a useful thing in a survivalist scenario.
Wtf are you talking about? I'm talking about modern rich Africans storing their wealth offshore to keep it away from local instability. During a regime collapse, the ones who don't store their wealth offshore have it sacked and stolen either by the next regime or during general unrest. You're the one that brought up "war torn Africa".
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Except, unlike Africa, if the literal world fell into chaos there'd be no wealthy countries to contribute aid.
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Government contracts and connections to tell them what? That there's instability in the world? You think these connections have a countdown timer to "the collapse" that they share with their closest friends?
Edit: From the NPR article:
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What? No? I totally doubt that a billionaire who made his billions by being an information broker and owner of a mass surveillance apparatus would have inside information. The idea of super rich people having access to and leveraging information that isnt readily accessible to the poors is ridiculous. Also its a total coincidence that Facebook was founded the same day DARPA cancelled there Life-Log program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog
https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
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Typical peon believing that having access to a lot of information means you can predict the future of an interconnected world of billions.
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Have you not heard of the concept of insider trading? Just like people predicted 9/11 they predicted the pandemic and made fat money off it, you rube.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/14/21258560/senator-richard-burr-coronavirus-insider-trading-scandal-explained
Lol, youre naive af if you think the rich, powerful and connected dont organize/conspire to keep themselves rich powerful and connected.
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You linked an article of a guy who engaged in insider trading a month after coronavirus was known to the world, two weeks after the WHO declared it an international public health emergency. Do you even read the article or do you just look at the headlines?
This is online conspiratard brainrot.
You're a peon because you think the shenanigans of the powerful gives them prophetic powers to foresee major events well in advance.
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he acted on foreknowlege of what the government response would be
Lol, the powerful's shenanigans by their nature cause major events. That's why theyre called powerful, you dunce!
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You retreated from "predicting the pandemic" pretty quickly, huh?
Oh, so now the rich and powerful are going to deliberately cause the collapse that they are fearfully preparing for?
Conspiratard "thinking" in action.
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How did they predict 9/11?
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Maybe that's why he married Serena, so she can protect him. Pr maybe I'm thinking of the other one, IDK I don't keep up with reddit janitors even when they are paid
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