Apparently the games industry is kinda fricked

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Game industry continues to be just incredibly bleak behind the scenes. Ecosystem is in free fall. Doubt thereโ€™ll be an easy solution, or a quick one. This darkest hour has dragged out to a darkest couple of years.

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>she/her, they/them, fae/faer. minors dni. frick nazis.

we're never going to have a single good video game ever again and everyone will blame it on Woke. why do i even bother anymore

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>wingnuts become game devs exclusively so they can push their politics

>choosing to prioritize political grandstanding over good writing and gameplay

>this causes their games to be shit and to sell like shit

>lack any form of awareness, think it's because they didn't put enough of their political grandstanding in

>endlessly repeat cycle, getting worse and worse

>"why are people blaming the woke?"

:#marseyhmmhips:

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>ffvii was about epic ecoterrorist revolutionaries so that means you should also like my game about being fat and non binary

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>hehe black man with gun arm funni. chocobo go fast. beeg sword go swish.

:m#arseysephiroth: :c!#lappingwithtear:

MUH MEDIA LITERACY!!!!@@@ :#soytantrumglow:

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you forgot the beach episode

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Having a skinny woman with nice tits in a game is completely haram

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You got it wrong way around. They become devs anyway, its just they live meaningless lives that drive them to seek fake meaning in wingcuckery.

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I dont get it :marseysad: *sips tea*

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Me neither, friend. Me neither.

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Imagine if they nuked all the "greedy exec" influence from their works they keep blaming in the same way they purged cultural insensitivity, male gaze appeal and other chud boogeymen

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Oof Stardew Valley and Balatro are struggling right now...

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>kick out neurodivergent devs who just love video games

>hire cosmopolitan they/them university graduates

>everything collapses

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>kick out neurodivergent devs who just love video games

who do you think is :marseytrain2:ing out bro

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Hiring a :marseytrain2: is practically like hiring a BPD woman, except the :marseytrain2: is disgusting on the outside as well. No better way to sabotage your product and company.

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Honestly if the games industry wanted to improve the first thing they should do is fire everyone who can't explain how fast inverse square root works and why it was important.

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fire everyone who can't explain how fast inverse square root works and why it was important.

:soyjakwow: is that my heckin reddit gimmick code?

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That's enough of a meme it won't do shit if that was a blocker, same as Fizz Buzz

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I mean I'm r-slurred but the 'pedia article seems to explain it well enough. Honestly the only hard part is the bit shifting autism that all the oldie performanceoids used to do all the time. Like, I don't do it, I don't want to do it, but I more or less get how it works.

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I'll stick to javascript thanks :marseyzoomer:

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>forced to hire women legally

>Forced to add HR teams

>Company is 1/10 as efficient and no one has any passion for it anymore

Every time

The reason small companies (less than 10 people) can frequently be massively more efficient than places 100 times their size is not having to do this

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In canada where ever bioware is. They get tax credit based on how diverse company is. In reality. Diversity is for of taxxation. If you have 10 wypipo moids in high paying job. They pay their taxes. And spend some of their money. Maybe one or two have some vice that drains their bank accounts.

But if you have 10 foids in high paying job. They pay their taxes. Then blow their money until their bank accounts are empty. This is massive economic boon. They generate massive ammounts of economic action.

Bipocs moids are spiritual foids and spend like crazy. So are trans people.

Im not sure about asian moids. Including indians.

But forcing bunch of foids and bipocs to company is massive economic boon for local area. And in that way. Its tax

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if AAA gaming fails literally nothing of value will be lost

burn it all to the ground

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@BWC Bvilt for BWC?

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I'll just keep replaying red dead, kotor and mass effect until I see something I like and no amount of marketing can stop me.

Frick the noise.

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Fallout 4 and Civ 5 for me :marseyboomer:

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I agree with it even though it's also bait

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I'll forgive 2000+ hours of civ 5 over even 100 hours of Fallout 4

Fallout 4 fricking sucks dude

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>he hasnt found the s*x mod website

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Only the niggest of !BIPOCs vantablack gorilla R-SLUR would play civ5 when civ4 BTS + rhye's and fall exists. Literal one unit per hex zero strategy babyslop

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Speak like a normal person you fricking sperg

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Leave Rhye alone

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Literal one unit per hex zero strategy babyslop

Lmao. Needing to plan out the positioning of your army makes it less strategic.

Maybe you'd like Civ 6. The corp/army system lets you basically combine units into a single hex. If you still can't figure it out maybe you're just r-slurred.

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Fallout 4

:marseyyikes:

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I like FO4's stability for mods :marseyboomer:

Not like Bethsheda released anything moderately okay since FO4 anyways.

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I hope you're playing something that replaces Bethesda's dogshit writing. :marseythumbsup:

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You know it :boomermonster:

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IKR I've lost a lot of respect for him as a person today.

:#marseysad:

My therapist said I need to "mourn" over losing @KoreanGrinchKing and then get over it.

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Civ 5

So Koreans aren't actually smarter... :marseynotes:

Civ 2. Everything after that added needless complexity. Sid Meier and Bruce Shelley knew to keep their game trim, perfect, nothing to take away.

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Both games require minimal thinking, so I can channel my inner Gen Alpha and do 4 things at once. Like work, play a gacha on my phone, watch a youtube video and play the game at the same time.

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Insane and awful take next to a mid one :marseyhmmm:

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Agreed except I play the non-slop in those franchises :marseysmug2:

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Hoi4 is crack and it's ever green and I haven't even played EaW yet :#marseyreich::#marseystalin:

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I have wasted so much of my life on hoi4 and regret nothing. Wait uuntil you try the black ice mod

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Wanna join !hoi4 ? Check @mithrandir wall for info

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AAA games are fricked.

DotA, Apex and AoE2:DE are failing because they're AAA games.

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He thinks that indies are fricked as well.

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Can you name a successful indie since 2020?

Not balatro.

Not nms.

Not Vampire Survivor.

Not stardew valley.

Not celeste.

Name one I fricking dare you!

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>There's maybe one good indie game made a year.

>It's either a fun little 20 hour game with absolutely no replay value or it's an autism simulator

>Any criticism is seen as unfair because it was made by five dudes instead of big evil corpo

>When explaining how great indie games are at least one 10+ year old game will inevitably come up

>Early-access pixelshit survival roguelite

>"Stop complaining about AAA-slop, just play indie-slop instead"

:#marseycoffee:

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palworld :marseyshapiro:

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Please stay put.

A team of nintendo assassins customer feedback representatives are heading your way to change your opinion.

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It's insanely hard for any indie game to take off nowadays.

Firstly what 1 person can do in 1-5 years is always going to look kinda shit compared to a studio, next they can't break through marketing budgets or social media.

I think trying to be an influencer first then make your game is a more realistic way to do it :marseyxd:

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Cruelty Squad vs Dustborn

:marseyx#d:

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lethal company.

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Lethal Company is 7.0 on IGN, nowhere near DragonAge Veilguard which is a 9.0

Steam player numbers are no metric for success!

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your gay

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DRG :marseyminer:

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Ableist towards people of stature, genocide apologist!

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Palworld?

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Palworld is pokemon theft.

Nice try, chud

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There will always be some successful games, the industry as a whole could still be suffering. Also the downturn was after 2020 (mb 2022?), at least 2 of the games you listed were before 2020.

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Bithell is an indie dev, though?

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What would we do? Level a skill to 99 in old school runescape? Play diablo 2? We cant be expected to do any of this

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I havent tried Factorio yet...

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I like Capcom. I'm a Capcom fan!

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Crapcum sucks massive BIPOCdick

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Who even cares enough to say "burn it to the ground"?

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Nearly all fighting games are AAA :marseygiveup:

All the other stuff is AA like skullgirls.

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It's because the consumers of video games suddenly and unexpectedly became young and male despite years and years of black trans women such as Marsha P. Johnson building the video games industry from scratch when cis white men weren't brave enough to.

Who could predict that traditional video game tropes that have worked a million times in the past like lecturing the player about how to do push-ups as penance for misgendering someone would suddenly become so controversial and unpopular?

I don't know why the big studios aren't smart enough to just make some games with hooters and violence the way they used to. Sure, the mainstream reviews would be terrible no matter how fun the games are, but it'd still be like printing money. They've got bills to pay, yeah?

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Isn't that basically what nikke is?

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Every image I've seen of it makes it look like typical anime waifu coomershit. That's a genre for degenerates and keeps people like me from even looking at videos of it.

NUKE JAPAN AGAIN SO THEY STOP SENDING US ANIME STUFF :chudtantrum:

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Nikke is Korean.

40% of the playerbase is Female.

It actually transcends normal anime waifu tropes.

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Are all azn foids secretly cute butches like how my yurislop taught me? :marseysquint:

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They'll findom you so maybe?

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Females are ridiculously big coomers

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Korean Women are just mad that Gook Moids aren't peepeeing them down 24/7 which is why they're acting out.

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Yeah it is and they rake in a ton of money for it.

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>make good games

>Start making shit games instead

>Make them cost 20x as much to make for some reason so you need to sell micro transactions and live service vs just selling copies

Wtf why is our business failing

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Modern software processes have bloated every step of the process to take 3x longer and with 5x as many people as it should, at a minimum. Even if those people are all competent, that's how many the company wants it to take. Old school games were made by neurodivergent savants that all had to be amazing coders so there wasn't this giant kraken gobbling up the budget

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>Modern software processes have bloated every step of the process

It's not the processes. Modern gaming is an order of magnitude more complex than during the 90ies. The problem with that is that there are legitimately only so many John Carmacks that exist in the world and getting more than 2 in a room is practically impossible. And that's ignoring the feasibility of hiring even one by the incredibly stingy modern game studios. The only studios that aren't stingy and are flush with cash are studios making gacha slop. But hyper-competent and passionate developers aren't going to want to work there either.

So modern game development is stuck in the same predicament that every mature industry is in: the workforce is average and (by definition) mediocre. Which means they need to hire even more people, to compensate for their more mediocre capabilities. To manage, control and focus this large mass of people the studios need to again hire even more people, whose job ends up requiring them to create processes and standards.

The processes are a symptom of the rot, not it's cause.

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This is a good comment

I think the rise of engines like unity and UE5 are further proof, where few people have the know how to make a modern graphic engine, so they use mass market cowtools.

There are some great games made on unity or unreal, but there's also a ton of unoptimised slop

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I love learning about how the old guard worked around limitations.

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It's because of... young men... who buy video games. It's the consumers' fault.

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This is just @BipocCuteSantaG-slur's take, but worse

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Its true. AAA Games have stagnated or some cases regressed. But now they are trying to get more money out of these games.

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People have enough games (AAA or not) to keep them busy for the next few years. Certain games can keep people playing for thousands of hours

The videogame "boom" is over for now and most just need to scale back and trim out the fats like this ladygarden https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733289064599314.webp

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They themselves fumbled this boom. Market is there. People want to play fun games more then ever before. If you deliver fun game. It will sell like crack.

Hogwarts legacy is perfect example of this. Its fun and good game. Its not deep. Its not well writen. But its fun single player game that sold 30 million units.

What do WBD do? Start delivering worst slob possible. And same time people are screaming at them. More of this.

Bg3 vs dragon age theyguard is another example. Bg3 is fun crpg. Once again. Writing is not best. But its still fun and good crpg. Its estimated to have sold 20 million copies.

Yet bioware and EA are compleatly blind and out of touch. And instead they deliver theyguard. Outcome is over 1 million units sold.

Thing is. What hogwarts legacy or bg3 did. Wasn nothing revolutionary. They arent prettiest games. They dont have game play thats no other company can replicate. They are infact quite basic.

Yet companies are unabel to do that. Instead they deliver messes nobody is asking. Its not just being out of touch. Its being willfully out of touch.

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I don't know how good it was but HPV Legacy's sales were probably greatly enhanced by the IP.

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Even then. It was basic, single player only and fun. What more. its something people have been asking for looooong time. and they are asking more of it. People are talking favorably about it. so its not just tricking people to buy thanks to IP. That game is total oposite of every other recent game they have put out.

But its IP not game cope is probably what big wigs are using. And justifying on delivering slob nobody wants.

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Ur r-slurred. HP legacy was exactly like any modern ubislop game, deep as a puddle just a huge empty world and shit writing, just barely made tolerable by servicable gameplay. Exactly the kind of game !commenters are whining about in this thread.

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It's 100% slop. But it admittedly is well-polished slop, at least in comparison to Ubisoft's recent offerings. It's also a setting that hasn't really had a real crack at it since the PS2/PS3 era. Everyone is just tired of Ubisoft resting on their laurels instead of trying something different. I give them credit, they did put out some decent stuff over the years that aren't apart of their usual crap, but they've lost most good will already.

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yeah i played and kinda liked hogwarts legacy but its definitely a generic ubislop set in the harry potter universe

the reason the game sold so much isnt because its anti woke (it has plenty of wokeslop) or terf or any of that nonsense its because millennials, largely women, really want a real game set in the harry potter universe because of how nostalgic they are about reading the books/watching the movies when they were younger and fantasized about going to hogwarts themselves

wb needs to make a game thats literally all about that, not a ubislop game with hogwarts as one of the zones but like a full on hogwarts experience game, a hogwarts sim, you start as a 10yo in first year and go through all seven years of hogwarts, make friends, maybe some romances in last year etc. the millennial foids would go berserk over it, something like hogwarts mystery but a real game and not mobileslop and it would easily sell twice as much as hogwarts legacy did

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go look at the mods for hogwarts legacy and say this isn't true - and they're exclusively for a platform that foids are least likely to play. making the second game more like bully where it's a school sim that leans into curfew, classes, truancy, larping, ya romance and cliques and it sells 50 million to the millennial women market. moids underestimate how many die hard hp fans are out there because foids don't tend to make their hobbies and interests their entire personality.

better yet look at the fan fiction community for hp and it's absolute insanity the number of readers these writers are able to get on their goonette handmaids tale copy and paste job set in hogwarts.

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>foids don't tend to make their hobbies and interests their entire personality.

They absolutely do, it just happens in spaces you don't frequent.

You've never seen a Perler bead recreation of some foidslop character? Femcel bedrooms absolutely covered in merch? Selfmade dolls and buttons displayed in public? Any of the borderline criminal shit that happens in the name of "fandom"? Foids go apehit for any excuse to decorate themselves and their surroundings. Liking anything is just an excuse to decorate for them. Foids are the original Secondaries.

!fellas

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Either you havent played any games or you suffer from brain damage. Probably both.

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You forgot to add 20 minute loading screens to open menus

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I didn't know that. Sounds horribly unoptimized.

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It was a huge, single player open world game where even the biggest PC at the time couldn't run it with any settings turned up above 30fps.

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That's Bethesda's specialty, and they did not make HP Legacy.

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They made a few of their own and they also outsource to other companies :marseyraging:

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Walking through Hogwarts carries the game

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I mean, Ghost of Tsushima was a bog-standard open-world game with a bit more spit and polish on it than usual

you fat ladygarden

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I was 2 hours in before it started spamming menu tutorials at me. "Visit statues to earn griffinbux. Get enough griffinbux and you can buy warpendugles to upgrade your character. Earn enough upgrades and you can unlock one of the two hundred skills in our skill tree."

It's all so tiresome.


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I just think it's funny that Why do you hate Harry Potter??? :marseysad:

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What's funny about it? I don't hate HP either!

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Alright then astro bot or smth

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There are enough examples that a popular IP doesn't carry your game. See SW: Outlaws recently in the same genre as Hogwarts.

An IP will carry you from "good success" to "great success" when your game is good. But it will never save your shit game.

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Bg3 is fun crpg. Once again. Writing is not best. But its still fun and good crpg.

And people could just buy it, and then they own it and that's it, no strings attached. The Actishittion, Electronic Sharts, and Ubislops of the world have spent the last 20 years conditioning consumers to not trust them and destroying their own reputation.

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This meme is ancient yet more relevant than ever

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God I wish that were true. G*mers are so fricking weak and will buy up the next shart from these companies. From girls buying every $40 sims 4 item pack, to boys spending all their Xbox credits on fall of duty skins.

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G*mers are so low IQ that they need to be food poisoned about 20 times before they stop gorging themselves at the putrid troth. It's a slow process, but something is happening. The industry is crashing as we speak, people are being laid off en masse, and Ubisoft is going down first.

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AAA? More like Triple Gay

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:#marseyhesright:

Important social commentary here that nobody should overlook.

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Yeah he was talking about the industry as in money being made. I'd be 100% fine buying games older than me on steam for Big mac prices as well as GAAS shooters.

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There are genuinely so many good games that all game production could halt for 20 years and everyone would be fine.

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Nah, I defo need me a new Oddworld, Crash Bandicoot and Ape Escape game, stat.

t: hasn't played a game in those franchises made in this millennium.

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We just had the first 2?

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Read my post once more.

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Incomprehensible

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I haven't played a game in those franchises made in this milleninum despite several getting made, yet I am asking for more.

It's a joke, dumbass.

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Especially how easy emulation is now. Shit like RetroArch/RetroBat practically does it all for you and if you know where to get the roms suddenly you have thousands of good games to play.

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need to scale back and trim out the fats

You mean like Musk is going to do for the government?

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More forcefully than Musk.

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