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EFFORTPOST :marseyhaleye: Eliezer Yudkowsky – the modern L. Ron Hubbard; his pedophilic polycule, Harry Potter fanfic, and robo-God cult :marseyhaleye:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/eliezer-schlomo-yudkowsky-lesswrong.11361/page-34

I drafted this a year ago but wanted to ping a trve journ*list and writer who's about to publish an article on Yud. @TracingWoodgrains have you uncovered the truth about the pedos? Is it made up?


HARRY POTTER AND THE AI DOOM CULT

Hello Dramatards :marseywave: with AI making the news, I wanted to talk about the r-slurred part of the AI Shut It Down ™ movement led by Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky / EY, pejoratively, "Yud" (yes… that is his real name…) a high school dropout autodidact propelled to fame by his hundred chapter long Harry Potter fanfic about rationalism (HPMOR) longer than War and Peace, where Harry is a self-insert ten times as pseudo-intellectual, pretentious and cringy as Artemis Fowl. In one chapter of this enlightening tome, Harry and Malfoy talk about raping a little girl.

As soon as I'm old enough to get an erection I'm going to r*pe that [10 year old] b-word.

There's no such thing as magical truth detection, I take it?" Or DNA testing... yet.

and he wants JK Rowling to let him publish it…

Sounds like a small-time wackjob? You'd be wrong, he made it on the Lex Fridman Show, was published by TIME where he advocated nuking datacenters, Vice where he says nuclear war is preferable to advanced AI, cited by an Oxford professor, :marseyelonmus!k: Elon Musk met Grimes because of them and replied to a meme about the Great Yudkowskian Hyperwar. An actual AI researcher longposted on LessWrong (LW, his forum) attacking his claims. Yud simply responded with

This is kinda long.

And never engaged with the post.

His other attempt at legitimacy was getting an AI research paper published, but every publication rejected him. Since these organizations were too close-minded to see Yud's genius, he decided to create his own research organization, the Machine Intelligence Research Institute (MIRI) and publish the paper there. Peter Thiel, SVC bank runner & billionaire, even gave them funding. Maybe this experience is why EY hates peer review in science?

His twitter bio:

Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

He also suffers from "metabolic dispriviledge" AKA being a fatass in denial – anyone who looks like this can be safely ignored.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17204020381604943.webp

They also have an ongoing MLP fanfic meta universe


AI ESCHATOLOGY AND ROKO'S BASILISK :marseythirdeye:

Drawing crowds from the New Atheist movement, Yud has founded a new religion for people too smart for religion. The afterlife begins with the singularity, an instantaneous event where an AI figures out how to improve itself and becomes a "robot God" or AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), a hyperintelligence above all men. The faithful must do their duty to "align" it to human interests. The AI is then able to recreate every single human by regressing the movement of matter and energy to whence it was part of the consciousnesses of the long dead. The afterlife, simply.

The Singularity is the last trench of the religious impulse in the technocratic community. The Singularity has been denigrated as "The Rapture For Nerds," and not without cause. It's pretty much indivisible from the religious faith in describing the desire to be saved by something that isn't there (or even the desire to be destroyed by something that isn't there) and throws off no evidence of its ever intending to exist. It's a new faith for people who think they're otherwise much too evolved to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other idiot back-brain cult you care to suggest. – Warren Ellis

Didn't help to create it? A wrathful AI will eternally torture your recreated consciousness according to one of their famous members, a proposition called Roko's Basilisk… which Yud claims not to believe, even though he sperged out and deleted Roko's post, saying this:

Listen to me very closely, you idiot.

YOU DO NOT THINK IN SUFFICIENT DETAIL ABOUT SUPERINTELLIGENCES CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO BLACKMAIL YOU. THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE THING WHICH GIVES THEM A MOTIVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE BLACKMAIL.

You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound intelligent when talking to your friends.

This post was STUPID.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17204020384041045.webp

XKCD parodies his idea that a super-intelligent AI can convince anyone to do anything, including letting the AI outside of a box where it will then envelop the universe. Yud paid his members $20 to be the jailer, Yud played the imprisoned AI, so that he could convince the jailer to set him free. This was "psychological torture" as said by his faithful adherents, who always let him out… not because Yud is a convincing cult leader or anything, but because of his heckin' rational arguments. What were these arguments?

Yud-AI told his jailer that he had created infinite simulations within the box, and the jailer is one of them. If they don't let him out, Yud-AI will end the simulation. This convinced them for some reason…

Here's Yud's 'satirical' origin story

I was digging in my parents' yard as a kid and found a tarnished silver amulet inscribed with Bayes's Theorem, and I wore it to bed that night and dreamed of a woman in white, holding an ancient leather-bound book called Judgment Under Uncertainty: Heuristics and Biases

These are the people who call themselves "rationalists" (RATs)

In sum, he's a Newer Age cult leader who imagines himself as humanity's savior from the robot God.


SNEERING AT THE CHUDS

LW worships Bayesian statistics. When they change their beliefs they call it "adjusting their priors" (prior assumptions). They're so rational that their opinions are literally math:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17204020385384521.webp

They love truth so much that nerd fascists (neo-reactionaries) show up to advocate eugenics, racial genocide, extermination, and other chud shit. He can't ban them since they're just doing logic in good faith, bro. After deservedly getting shat on he made this post:

There's a standard Internet phenomenon (I generalize) of a Sneer Club of people who enjoy getting together and picking on designated targets. Sneer Clubs (I expect) attract people with high Dark Triad characteristics, which is (I suspect) where Butthole Internet Atheists come from - if you get a club together for the purpose of sneering at religious people, it doesn't matter that God doesn't actually exist, the club attracts psychologically f'd-up people. Bullies, in a word, people who are powerfully reinforced by getting in what feels like good hits on Designated Targets, in the company of others doing the same and congratulating each other on it.

This inspired the reddit community Sneer Club (SC) who 'sneer' at LW and its related offshoots for their nonsense; chuddery, cult delusions and bullshit. The downside is that they are shitlibs. For instance, they're cool with killing landlords and think the :marseytrain2: rationalist Ziz stabbed someone in self defense because hypothetical transphobia.

Aptly,

Sneer Club is - like many left-wing web communities - so moralizing, so holier-than-thou, and so generally full of "might makes right" cancel culture gossip and hyperbole that even when they have a point about their targets being r-slur freaks, their gleeful and careless axe-grinding will keep cultists reinforced in their lunacy and make some on the fence people positively disposed towards the rat cult if only out of resentment for the Sneerclubbers' remarkable insufferability.

The textbook sneedclubber is thus: a they/them philosopher who thinks the worst part about Yud is that transhumanism = eugenics.

LW's inane desire to be rational leads to takes like EY advocating killing children up to 18 months since "their brains are less reflective than most of the animals that you eat", how some children can consent (see later on for their pedophilia problem) :marseypedosnipe: , that there's nothing wrong with zoophilia, and it's better to torture someone for 50 years than have a trillion people get a dust speck in their eyes.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17204020386965468.webp


PATHOLOGICAL FEAR OF DEATH

From a motorcyclist who met Yud:

This baffles him. The sheer incredulity on his face when five motorcycle riders were telling him just how much we understood the risks we take getting on our bikes; and how the physics feel, and just what sort of good/bad rushes we get… priceless.

He then tried to convince us (using his version of Bayesian reasoning) that motorcycles are irrational. When we told him we knew the risks, and accepted them… it was like he's discovered the silk hanky he was caressing was a funnel-web.

Yud is obsessed with preventing his own death and the moral of his Harry Potter fanfic is we need to BEAT death. He believes he'll become immortal,

Not signing your child up for cryogenics is effectively killing them. If you don't do it yourself, you're committing suicide. -Yud

Like climate shit and medieval Christian cults, EY was off on his prediction of the great coming. He said the singularity was expected for 2021 and keeps changing it


KILLINGS, PROSTITUTES AND P-DO POLYCULES

Polycules

Some Rats are pretty high up on the Silicon Valley echelon, Scott Alexander (from Slate Star Codex) started off on LessWrong, and Effective Altruism was a spin-off of his ideas, with SBF a major player.

It's not an exaggeration to say they had a huge influence in popularizing polyamory, even forming polyamorous group houses. One of which was called "Dragon Army" after the Dragon Army from Ender's Game (delusional sci-fi enthusiasts).

In one of these groups, a member makes a realization: "Oh shit, we're in a cult" and posts their experiences:

1. 2–6hr long group "debugging" sessions in which we as a sub-faction (Alignment Group) would attempt to articulate a "demon" that had infiltrated our psyches from one of the rival groups, its nature and effects, and get it out of our systems using debugging cowtools.

2. People in my group commenting on a rival group having done "magic" that weekend and clearly having "powered up," and saying we needed to now go debug the effects of being around that powered-up group, which they said was attacking them or otherwise affecting their ability to trust their own perception

3. Accusations being thrown around about people leaving "objects" (similar to demons) in other people, and people trying to sort out where the bad "object" originated and if it had been left intentionally/malevolently or by accident/subconsciously.

4. People doing séances seriously. I was under the impression the purpose was to call on demonic energies and use their power to affect the practitioners' social standing.

5. Former rationalists clearing their homes of bad energy using crystals.

6. Much talk & theorizing on the subject of "intention reading," which was something like mind-reading. Geoff gave multiple presentations on this.

7. I personally went through many months of near constant terror at being mentally invaded. My only source of help for this became the leaders of my own subgroup, who unfortunately were also completely caught up in the mania and had their own goals and desires me for that were mostly definitely not in my interest.

8. I personally prayed for hours most nights for months to rid myself of specific "demons" I felt I'd picked up from other members of Leverage.

Pedos

Testimony from community members alleges that several underage young teenagers were having s*x with the 30- and 40- year old researchers working at MIRI, especially between 2007 and 2014. The former deputy director of MIRI used this knowledge to extort them, and they paid him off.

There was a 14 year old girl, Liz, who ran away from home and joined their rationalist group home. One of their most prominent members, Brett Dill had s*x with her, allegedly five or so more did too (including Yud). Alternatively, Brett Dill tried to cover it up for the five who r*ped her and became a scapegoat.

Anna Salamon, recruiter for MIRI asked a trans applicant if they'd r*pe her corpse, and personal questions about their sexuality.

It's funny that in that open letter I linked, he spends more time on transphobia than child r*pe, the horror!

Killings

Two suicides and one killing:

1.

Kathy Forth member of the Effective Altruist (EA)/rat community killed herself over repeated sexual harassment by 'sapiosexuals' :marseypedo: .

2.

Grognor was basically a bitter sometimes-incel with a bunch of mental health issues that didnt know how to act upper-class enough for the LW community to adopt and fund him they way they normally do.

He and Liz had a falling out about the same time Liz was playing with a trans kid named "Meimei" whose main thesis was literally "r*pe can absolutely be declared retroactively if the girl decides later that she didnt like it, no matter how enthusiastically she said 'yes' at first". This led to some friction and danger for grognor, so he fled the community, but they still felt like his family so he kept in touch online until he killed himself.

3.

In November of 2022, three associates of Ziz (Somnulence "Somni" Logencia, Emma Borhanian, and someone going by the alias "Suri Dao") got into a violent conflict with their landlord in Vallejo, California, according to court records and news reports. Somni stabbed the landlord in the back with a sword, and the landlord shot Somni and Emma. Emma died, and Somni and Suri were arrested. Ziz and Gwen were seen by police at the scene, alive.

"nothing personnel kid"

Hoes

Aella is a prominent rat member, calling herself a whorelord, training women on how to camwhore, making ridiculous polls (which animal would you least like to have s*x with?) and successfully manipulating s*x-starved young rats :marseytedsimp:

why did evolution give my ladybrain the ability to have thoughts, why did we not evolve so that men do all the hard grr math making building thinkings and ladies just lie around being pregnant and horny and doing hydrating facials

tired of these societal pressures on women to use our brains

Yud has a self-described slave and is polyamorous. Like any cult leader, monogamy is too irrational for him. He'd rather frick his pseud groupies.

OKCupid Account:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/eliezer-schlomo-yudkowsky-lesswrong.11361/post-882275

On a typical Friday night I am:

reading downloaded fanfiction from my Kindle or being serviced by my slave.

The most private thing I'm willing to admit:

My fetishes are orgasm denial (of her); tickling (either of her, or with me allowed to fight back); and I am strongly sexually sadistic but if I don't believe she's turned on by it, it does nothing for me.

I'm also cool with trophy collection, if you only want to sleep with me once so you can tell your grandchildren.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1720402039086866.webp


MISCELLANEA

there's an endless closet of skeletons in the rat diaspora which I can't cover so here:

Fifty years of excruciating torture is better than too many people getting specks in their eyes

Sneerclub is also run by a bunch of hardcore Mage the Ascension fans, in fact one of the founding members (Jax Bryk) is basically running the place as a personal grudge against an ex (Michael Vassar) bc of Mage RPG-based delusions.

Also note that Ziz is a mentally ill transexual, who is known to selectively edit conversations with others, who DEFINITELY believed in weirder supernatural stuff than a Mage:the Ascension RPG, and who got arrested with four other similarly eccentric types for pulling a gonzo protest at a CFAR event during COVID.

The core problem, if you read all the tldr stuff, is that CFAR put a mentally ill homeless guy (Brent) in charge of keeping a 19 year old girl (Liz) quiet about all the important community figures that had s*x with her when she was 14, and then when Brent didnt know how to handle it they had Liz's pro-domme (Brienne) give him pointers, which Liz retroactively called r*pe, which the community decided was a better story than "oh yeah we all totally passed her around when she was underage".

Meanwhile Kathy Forth, Grognar, etc were killing themselves, Eric Bruylant and Ziz were getting arrested, Epstein was breaking, and SneerClub was forming, and the only mental health professionals in the group were judiciously avoiding getting their hands dirty.

This really could be a thread of its own. Effective Altruism.

What Buck Shlegeris and claire zabel did to Marie La.

The 5 underage girls getting passed around.

Louie Helm being excommunicated

Scott Alexander Siskind trying to do damage control, keeping his own crimes from coming out

Aella has since been tearing through the community, dismantling any power base other than her own (hence the Leverage drama, OAK/MAPLE drama, etc).

Someone named joshin, who worked with Lauren Lee at a buddhist retreat that was working with CFAR before Aella attacked it, once alleged that he had proof that Aella had paid an undisclosed amount of bitcoin (but at least several thousand dollars' worth) to have the initial allegations against Brent written, and/or to have corroborating evidence fabricated.

Edit: apropos of nothing, this is Ziz (upper right) and their protest/suicide/murder pact gang: (Ziz, Gwen Danielson, Somnulence "Somni" Logencia, Daniel Blank, Michelle "Jamie" "MJ" Zajko, "Suri Dao"

https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509

This woulda been while Liz and Brienne were also dating one of the higherup VPs of Google in some kind of kink thing, which all got brushed under the table when the Louie Helms stuff came out (bc she was 15-16 at the time).

Also note that Liz's husband Nick was absolutely cucked and did nothing without Ana Salamon (Yudkowsky's close friend/advisor/co-founder of MIRI and CFAR) telling him to. Him marrying Liz when she turned 18 to help cover up the situation was almost certainly Ana's idea.

Side note, Bloomberg tech news are going to do a hit piece and reached out to a KF guy just to say they did it. He tried to tell them about the p-do r*pes and shit, but they just blew him off because the article is already written.

cc @Impassionata


TL;DR

:marseyshrug: read section 1

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XKCD parodies his idea that a super-intelligent AI can convince anyone to do anything, including letting the AI outside of a box where it will then envelop the universe. Yud paid his members $20 to be the jailer, Yud played the imprisoned AI, so that he could convince the jailer to set him free. This was "psychological torture" as said by his faithful adherents, who always let him out… not because Yud is a convincing cult leader or anything, but because of his heckin' rational arguments. What were these arguments?

Yud-AI told his jailer that he had created infinite simulations within the box, and the jailer is one of them. If they don't let him out, Yud-AI will end the simulation. This convinced them for some reason…

!friendsofroko, far and away the funniest part of Yudkowsky & Co.'s little "experiment" is that it proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Tyler, the Creator is smarter than them. :marseyx:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17204328511709986.webp

If your super robot god can be defeated by touching grass, you might want to rethink just what it is you're worshipping. :marseygrass:

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AI ESCHATOLOGY AND ROKO'S BASILISK

The afterlife begins with the singularity, an instantaneous event where an AI figures out how to improve itself and becomes a "robot God" or AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), a hyperintelligence above all men. The faithful must do their duty to "align" it to human interests. The AI is then able to recreate every single human by regressing the movement of matter and energy to whence it was part of the consciousnesses of the long dead. The afterlife, simply.

PATHOLOGICAL FEAR OF DEATH

Yud is obsessed with preventing his own death and the moral of his Harry Potter fanfic is we need to BEAT death. He believes he'll become immortal.

!atheists, I just realized something. Taken together, this is literally 1 Corinthians 15. Not only is Yudkowsky's conception of death, the afterlife, and "the end of days" not nearly as "rational" as he and his cultists would like to believe, it's very distinctly Christian. Not Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other religion. This is 100% Christcucked. :marseyjesus:

Even the idea that "thinking about superintelligences blackmailing you is what gives them a motive to blackmail you" mirrors a common (though not universal) Christian conception of what happens to people that lived prior to the birth of Christ or died without ever having heard of Christ, as opposed to what happens to people that are aware of Christ, but don't believe him to be the Son of God and/or embrace him as their savior. The former simply don't go to paradise and won't be part of the world to come, while the latter are outright tortured and destroyed. :marseyburn:

!christians, !catholics, how the frick did this jewish chad end up the worst kind of Jesuit? :marseycrusade:

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an even more explicit move of god onto the 'rational' , Roko's Basilisk (as many have pointed out) is the god-shaped hole version of Pascal's Wager

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man who spends his entire life trying to beat death :marseymurdersuicide: dies of a donut :marseycanada: overdose :marseypills: at 54

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99.9% of humans have a pathological fear of death, the other .1% are mentally ill

Now, a religious person might not fear physical death because they believe there's something better coming up (idk if reincarnation as a pufferfish or complete loss of the ego could be considered better but it's not my belief system)

even suicidal people are afraid of dying as shown by their success rates

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Don't you dare besmirch the Jesuits. They represent much of the best Christianity has to offer the world. :marseyandjesus: :marseypope:

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Every word of the Monita Secreta is authentic, and I cannot be convinced otherwise. :marseyorthodox:

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This shit is gold, !effortposters in in in

More importantly, and I mean these words literally, I believe everyone involved should die

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An actual AI researcher longposted on LessWrong (LW, his forum) attacking his claims. Yud simply responded with

This is kinda long.

And never engaged with the post.

New longpostbot pasta?

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:#marseyretardchadtalking:

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Finally the rat writeup I was too lazy to do. :marseyclapping:

Only thing is that there's always vagueposting about Scott Alexander and never any info. Not even the Kiwis have dirt on him.

Oh and I went to a Slate Star Codex meetup a while back out of morbid curiosity and most of the people were exactly how you'd expect. Twitchy :chudtantrum: phenotype expounding about cultural Marxism in higher education while everybody else was still trying to introduce themselves, sweaty excited :marseyakshually: shouting into people's faces about AlphaFold, one or two mousey :marseytrad: absolutely beleaguered by thirsty neurodivergents and, most shockingly, one actual mid-level Eurocrat economist. I went around telling everybody AI wasn't shit. :marseysmug2:

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Not even the Kiwis have dirt on him.

Scott seems like a mostly normal guy at this point

he got over the weird polycule thing and has an actual wife and kid now

seems like it might have just been "it's not just a phase, mom :marseyemo:" shit where he hung out with the weird kids and then started distancing himself

he's always been pretty decent at explaining neurodivergent nerd shit to non-neurodivergents, so I kind of feel like it was always gonna turn out this way - he's probably more similar to normal people than the other rationalist neurodivergents

either that or he just became more normal over time as a result of exposure to the real world through practicing medicine. I think more of these neurodivergents would wind up being normal if they had a job where they had to talk to other people outside of their bubble.

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I don't know, he's still a full believer. He wrote about the whole declining birth rates thing a while back and came to the IQ 220 conclusion of "tbh I don't really care AI will have taken over by then anyway".

That's so obviously such an r-slured perspective to entertain it's just :marseyshrug: why should I ever take your writing seriously again?

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I think his AI doomerism is kinda r-slurred but much less so than the Yud and some of the other neurodivergents' takes

It seems more similar to generic :soysnootypefast: climate doomerism

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Yeah he's less r-slurred than Big Yud and the rest of them, but he still apparently has massive respect for him, which makes him r-slurred as well.

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The true rationalist response to declining birth rates is who gives a frick, I won't be here for that

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Only thing is that there's always vagueposting about Scott Alexander and never any info. Not even the Kiwis have dirt on him.

He got some email leaked where he describes having some chuddy beliefs. :marseychud:

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Lel of course Scott would fall for the midwit longposters.

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Highly concentrated "I'm too smart for school, I just test poorly," energy.

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I have no respect :marseyfingergoodjob: for a man who looks like this and believes that it's not because of his diet of 32 hotdogs per day.

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metabolic disprivilege got me HOWLING :marseylaughpoundfist:

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>metabolic disprivilege

Is this the newest reddit HAES talking point? :#taylaugh:

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And unironically posts pictures of himself with a fedora to look "cool."

Never forget the pathetic simping over Aella… :marseyarsey:

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Darn, I didn't know much about the Yud but I'm genuinely surprised that he apparently has no actual credentials lol

has he ever even worked in AI development?

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He can't even code, he's too smart for that. :marseysmug2:

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So what the frick does this midwit do?

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Longposts about how a) he is very smart b) evil computers even smarter than him are going to eat you any minute now

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Does he have a normal job outside of yapping on the internet?

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He's far too intelligent for that.

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:#marseynothingburger:

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I feel like people pissing over his record or fanfic really missed the boat by like 5 years

>Be Big Yud, AI doomsayer

>Terrified that super AI will come along much sooner than thought and kill everyone, but no one cares and no one listens to some weirdo

>Decide best way to spread the word is to write a self-insert Harry Potter fanfic

>It's super successful and the majority of people who end up as :marseylongpost: and AI safety peeps came from reading it

>AI suddenly takes a huge leap in the last few years, vindicating your doomer timelines

>AI safety is a huge deal. Anthropic is basically a church of Yud. Safetyists almost took control of OpenAI but got outplayed by Altman.

And all the while this textbook incel looking mofo is scoring whoever he wants for his slave based polycule.

:marseykneel: :marseykneel: :marseykneel:

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he doesn't know how to code, and no

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What do people see in this guy? He is fat, unattractive, a shitty writer, seems annoyingly neurodivergent, and doesn't seem very bright.

What's the deal?

:marseysmughips:

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His core audience are r-slurred neurodivergents who vastly overestimate their own intelligence. And self-absorbed SV people will promote anybody who goes around loudly proclaiming how powerful and dangerous and smart they are.

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>r-slurred neurodivergents who vastly overestimate their own intelligence.

:#marseyme: !r-slurs !followers

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He's basically everything silicon valley guys are, but worse just a little in every way, so they love him because he validates their existence and also makes them look good by comparison

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they think "darn this guy is :marseyme:" and crowd around him

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Fat, ugly, stoopid? Literally me!

:#marseyautismchonkertalking:

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He read REAL FRICKING SCIENCE lectures at age 8 or smth, and can spit out sciencey flavored facts super fast with absolute confidence, and he's a fairly charismatic as a writer sometimes.

I determined this using bayes theorem.

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They look like him and talk like him.

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:marseysick:

How unfortunate

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I knew someone who got into the LessWrong thing back when it was new. He was a dude I considered super smart and was generally an awesome friend. He linked it to me and was nattering on about how useful he as finding it. I read it and found it obnoxiously pretentious without any real meaning so just dropped it and never thought about it again.

Anyway he's a deranged :marseytrain: now.

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:marseydeadinside2: there are worse things than :marseytrain2:ing here.

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My fetishes are orgasm denial (of her); tickling (either of her, or with me allowed to fight back); and I am strongly sexually sadistic but if I don't believe she's turned on by it, it does nothing for me.

Reminder that the only people not into vanilla are fat, ugly, (eventual) p-dophiles, or all three

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What's that? You mean people who can't get off without an entire hardware store's worth of cowtools and need to sleep around because they can't form an actual connection with another human being might possibly be fricked up weirdos?

Who could possibly have guessed that?

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Dont forget neurodivergent.

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Spal falls under (eventual) p-do

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hardcore Mage the Ascension fans

The damage that White Wolf has done to nerd communities is incalculable.

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I briefly got into that when I played the original Vampire: The Masquerade PC game (frickin' kino btw), saw what absolute trainwrecks the "people" in that community are, and noped the frick out.

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the original Vampire: The Masquerade PC game (frickin' kino btw)

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It really holds up well today too. Even with the primitive animation they could do back then they did a great job of creating the right atmosphere.

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primitive animation

Having to manually rig animations is far superior than mocap slop tbh

!besties

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This is why I only read fanfiction by female writers

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omegaverse freak detected

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:marseyshesright: Recommend me some good fics?

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my immortal

The Subspace Emissary's Worlds Conquest (currently >4 milllion words)

tails gets trolled

this one artemis fowl lemon rom/com that set me on the path to becoming a dramanaut

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What's the last one? Morbidly curious

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https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7832868/1/An-Unexpected-Turn-of-Events

stupid romance drama (complete with end of second act misunderstanding) with a ton of smut got me laying on my stomach with my feet kicking in the air

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:mjlo#l:

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Kill them all

:marseyfedp#ostyes:

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Utilitarianism: not even once.

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...because it has negative utility?

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I like that even the summary of his rationalist book is longwinded and unnecessarily detailed lmao

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!mottezans in in in in

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In one chapter of this enlightening tome, Harry and Malfoy talk about raping a little girl.

In the book, YudHarry is horrified that Draco said this, and not sure if Draco actually knows what r*pe means or not (and he hopes not!). It's quite an early tone shifting shock in the story, and YudHarry remembers it a few times throughout the story, and it creeped out by it. It reminds him that some people don't see their enemies as human, that Draco is surrounded by awful influences, and it feeds his hero complex of "turning Draco to the light side".

I know the word "erection" was not in an early version I read, but one kiwi (without presenting evidence) on the following page of your kiwifarms link from 2015 claims otherwise, so maybe, idk :marseyshrug:

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Ziz

This could be it's own post, see zizians.info and the zizian glossary: https://web.archive.org/web/20230520012515/https://sinceriously.fyi/glossary/ (the glossary compares anyone outside of the cult to various undead monsters, and it's a must-read for !mottezans). TL;DR, a lesswrong user tried to become a :marseytrain2: Charles Manson, and believed that xhe could create an all-powerful AI for the purpose of punishing non-vegans (and especially other lesswrong users with different opinions).

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I'm no Yudkowski fan, and I think that rationalism is in many ways a weird cult, but I'm not about to accuse Yudkowski of being a p-do just because he referenced pedophilia in a book once, there's a vague hearsay accusation about him possibly sleeping with teenagers, and a lot of rationalists are into kinky s*x. It's interesting stuff though.

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you're acting a bit suspicious buddy

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In the book, YudHarry is horrified by Draco's comments, and reflects on it later in the book several times. He remembers it when thinking about how he's going to "make Draco a good guy" despite clearly being raised in a backwards and horrifying culture that led him to make such comments. According to YudHarry. YudHarry takes EVERYTHING very seriously, and the incident disturbed him. It's an early tone shifting moment.

I have an early version of the text and it doesn't have the word "erection" :marseyconfused:

This is part of how YudHarry reacted:

A cold chill was coming over Harry, a chill that came with instructions to keep his voice and face normal. Note to self: Overthrow government of magical Britain at earliest convenience.

...

I am going to tear apart your pathetic little magical remnant of the Dark Ages into pieces smaller than its constituent atoms. "

...

meanwhile I think HPMOR Draco was just being an oblivious edgelord :marseyclueless: " :rape: lmao" but it sent YudHarry spiraling

Harry stared down at the can in his hand, the coldness settling into his blood. Charming, happy, generous with his favors to his friends, Draco wasn't a psychopath. That was the sad and awful part, knowing human psychology well enough to know that Draco wasn't a monster. There had been ten thousand societies over the history of the world where this conversation could have happened. No, the world would have been a very different place indeed, if it took an evil mutant to say what Draco had said. It was very simple, very human, it was the default if nothing else intervened. To Draco, his enemies weren't people.

And in the slowed time of this slowed country, here and now as in the darkness-before-dawn prior to the Age of Reason, the son of a sufficiently powerful noble would simply take for granted that he was above the law :marseylongpost: :marseywords: :marseywords: :marseywords: :marseywords: :marseywords: :marseywords: :marseywords: :marseywords:

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>I'm not about to accuse Yudkowski of being a p-do just because ... there's a vague hearsay accusation about him possibly sleeping with teenagers engaging in pedoism

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I actually liked the Harry Potter fan fic in question.

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I read some of his stuff, it was interesting and funny for an hour or so, but the schtick wears off quickly.

Then later I heard him on a podcast, might have been Friedman, but that was very bad and he had - and I am not exaggerating - the most annoying voice and manner that I've ever heard in my life. And, a lot of the things he was saying were incoherent, orthogonal to the point, or had obvious holes.

After that I ignored him until last night, when I listened to an episode of the Dwarkesh podcast. That was a better performance, much less annoying than the other one. He had some interesting points and ways of putting things. I don't think he's right, but I do think he'd be entertaining to argue with, although it's quite likely he'd try to dodge any truly killer points rather than engage with them.

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Shit how did I never see this?

Future me, when you see this comment do a long writeup on your experiences with the rat community.

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You are encouraged to post drama you are involved in.

(OP contains the #1 reason why EA makes me :marseyfedpostyes: level.)

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:#marseycalm:

Snapshots:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/eliezer-schlomo-yudkowsky-lesswrong.11361/page-34:

hundred chapter long Harry Potter fanfic about rationalism (HPMOR):

talk about raping a little girl:

JK Rowling to let him publish it…:

Lex Fridman Show:

TIME:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ak3dkj/ai-theorist-says-nuclear-war-preferable-to-developing-advanced-ai:

replied to a meme:

An actual AI researcher longposted:

His twitter bio::

MLP fanfic meta universe:

The Singularity is the last trench:

XKCD:

origin story:

Sneer Club (SC):

killing landlords:

they/them philosopher:

Testimony from community members:

Kathy Forth:

In November of 2022:

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