https://old.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/comments/1hex5l4/after_duke_lacrosse_how_to_we_balance_belief_with/

Since 2006, a team of Duke Lacrosse players had their lives upended. A black woman accused them of raping her with no evidence.

:marseysuspicious: This :marseymayo: cracker took enormous pleasure needlessly putting the word 'black' in there :marseyeyeroll:

How do we balance the "Believe All Women" movement with our civil liberty of "Innocent until proven guilty?"

Yes, how do we balance that flash-in-the-pan twitter bleating movement with one of the founding principles of common law? :marseyhmm: conundrum

"Believe All Women" doesn't mean to just accept them at their word and punish the men they accuse without evidence- it means to investigate the allegation, no matter who they are or who they are accusing.

We didn't actually mean 'defund the police' when we said 'defund the police'. :marseyjerkoffsmile:

"Often"...no. This is a big story because of how rare it is. Accusations like this upend the life of the accuser too. A lot of women don't come forward with true allegations because of what they'll have to deal with.

Yes women famously hate attention :really:

"Believe all women" was just a political slogan. What it really meant was "Believe all women who accuse Republicans" and once it started getting applied to people on the left it stopped being used.

Show me some of these high profile democrats r*pe convicted felons, oh wait, you don't have any. Both sides is your best defense?

never heard of him!

Also, people use a single case to start a discussion is laughable. Millions of women are r*ped each year, but hey, what about those guys who got falsely accused once? Such an unfair and disingenuous world view.

Because if we publicised every single r*pe case people might start to :marseynoooticer: notice some things :marseywrongthonk:

I'm just glad normal people find your ideology laughable.

"I'm just glad the conservatives who like me aren't very good at critical thinking and mostly juts buy into propaganda agree with me that your reasonable ideology is laughable." Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for you :soyjakanimeglasses:

"Believe Women" means to take their claims seriously and investigate. It stems from claims being ignored.

No it doesn't. That's not what those words mean. A belief doesn't require investigation.

You're taking it too literally. You have to apply common sense.

You have to apply common sense to my r-slurred prog slogan :marseyindignant: I didn't actually mean it. Unless I said 'black lives matter', in which case this position is reversed. :marseydisconcerting:

If your slogan needs explaining, it's a poor slogan

I don't think you understand the point of a slogan. Try to think a little.

When I said 'gas the jewish chads, race war now' it was actually a very subtle and nuanced statement about in-group preference, it should be immediately obvious that I do not want a race war. :marseybrainlet:

No, if you believe the woman automatically you are passing judgment of guilty on the accused.

Nope. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

OH SHIT THIS NEIGHBOR SAID THE LINE FROM THAT SPACESHIT FILM

:#soysnoo4: :#soysnoo2: :#marseystarwars: :#soysnoo5:

THIS IS JUST LIKE MY SOY WARS FRANCHISE

I never understood the rationale behind "Believe All Women"

The rationale is that r*pe is one of the least likely crimes to be investigated, nevermind convicted.

HMM YES @Christmasthedral WONDER WHY THE POLICE MIGHT NOT BE OVERLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT PURSUING A SERIOUS CRIME CASE BASED ON THE MERE WORD OF A WOMAN WHO IS PROMISED INTERNATIONAL FAME AND SYMPATHY IN EXCHANGE FOR NOTHING. TRANS LIVES MATTER

"them crackas said 'this is lacrosse country now' and then r*ped me for real"

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Battleloser fuck/you Please ban me 2mo ago #7487957

She's in prison for murder right now FYI

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Cathedral brex/it Battleloser 2mo ago #7487974

:marsey#blacklove:

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Redactor0 naori/oppa Darklands shill, do not engage Battleloser 2mo ago #7488804

Wait she killed a guy?

Nice. :#marseyokay:

Look, I'm not saying it's worth it, I'm just saying it's worth exploring the possibility. It's something to think about.

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SquirrelLawyer they/them Battleloser 2mo ago #7488146

I believe her when she said she didn't do it.

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GoldMemer he/him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5DZexDYyuU 2mo ago #7489775

Considering how Conservatives responded to Black Lives Matter, yes they are that literal. Their media has spent decades training them to never see nuance, so this isn't terribly surprising.

Agreed. Detractors will choose to highlight the extremes, which are easier to criticize. It's a straw man defense.

"they dont see le hecking nuance in our 20 million dollar mansions, saying the country is built on racism and that knife fights are part of being a black teen. All said by high up figures with doctorates

/u/6a6566663437 /u/Pac_Eddy so umm considering conservatives dont see nuance, and you people do, what was your opinion on Kyle Rittenhouse going to put out fires started by BLM protestors despite being a supporter of the movement? Is he a hero for seeing nuance?

Imagine that there are different kinds of meaning than simple literal meaning.

Boom. Well said.

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/u/DoctorUnderhill97 /u/Pac_Eddy so does every other slogan have this same metaphorical haze you want to apply to it? Does good people on both sides mean something different? Make America Great Again? Secure the border? Surely, you would apply that same good faith to conservative slogans? At what point can we criticize slogans as bad? I know you love blue lives matter for some reason

No, because literally saying "blue lives matter" doesn't mean "only blue lives matter"

Ok. I didn't decide on what slogan would catch on. This is why you have to think about it just a bit and not take it literally. McDonalds says "I'm lovin' it". Do you think that means they're having s*x with the food they serve? Or is there another more sensible meaning to that slogan?

The sensible meaning of "believe all women" was "trust but verify" which people already believed in. The meaning of "believe all women" is to erode liberal democracy in favor of social justice. Just like how "blue lives matter" is to imply that we should suck off cops more. I dont get this redditor who has this charitable definition of every stupid phrase chuds and wokes have shat out

No, YOU'VE got it the other way around. You can't make a slogan that can't be easily misinterpreted by people acting in bad faith.

someone suggests "reform the police" and "Black lives matter, too"

Those are just terrible slogans, man. They are boring. They are barely even slogans.

/u/DoctorUnderhill97 those are literally the same slogans with a different word or an additional word

Right-wing agitators acting in bad faith will always misinterpret and lie. That's their whole thing. You can't prevent it.

Left wing agitators literally used BLM and Believe All Women to get kangaroo courts and 20 million dollar mansions. How is it a good slogan when Trump has now won despite r*pe accusations and Harris and Biden have went from BLM to sucking off cops?

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

I think what you're missing is that I can handle two pieces of conflicting information at once. I can believe and respect a woman who claims you have been assaulted while still not assuming guilt of the accused. I think cognitive dissonance is an issue for you.

this guy is a fricking moron. "oh i believe she was r*ped by that guy, but i dont believe he was guilty of raping her". You cant function like that as a human being. It's moronic

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Cathedral brex/it GoldMemer 2mo ago #7489947

you need to slow down on the stimulants, friend! :marseyagre#esuperspeedtyping:

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placatedplatypus im/him GoldMemer 2mo ago #7490496

Their media has spent decades training them to never see nuance, so this isn't terribly surprising.

Honesty and sincerity are for fascists, chud!

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BananaSlugToucher they/them Hi Mom! 2mo ago #7487960

R*pe is the language of the unheard

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Redactor0 naori/oppa Darklands shill, do not engage BananaSlugToucher 2mo ago #7488812 spent 1,425 currency on pings

Eldridge Cleaver actually said this in Soul On Ice. He talked about practicing by raping black women before he upgrades to raping the white women who he considers more valuable.

When some people back in boomer times said that maybe black nationalists weren't actually victims and maybe J. Edgar Hoover should have been more aggressive in hunting down and killing them, there might be a reason for it.

!nonchuds

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911roofer he/him Always a wallflower, never a wall Redactor0 2mo ago #7489959

Be cautious . This is very chuddy.

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Redactor0 naori/oppa Darklands shill, do not engage 911roofer 2mo ago #7490065

I got nothing left to lose. :marseythumbsup:

Qar rape/every1 Redactor0 2mo ago #7490134

Except your foot :marseyemojirofl:

beamrifle he/him 2mo ago #7488017

Lmao someone actually said only siths deal in absolutes jfc.

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whatastory a/s/l Necessity is the birthing person of invention. beamrifle 2mo ago #7488730

when the narwhal bacons :marseysoylentgrin:

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Qar rape/every1 whatastory 2mo ago #7490141

Badger badger badger mushroom :marseysoyhype:

Bussy-boy buss/boy :bussyboy:

Qar 2mo ago #7490163

"I do not know what is happening" I don't know what is happening.

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Qar rape/every1 Bussy-boy 2mo ago #7490181

What are your thoughts on bussy licking? :marseyhmm: :marsey:

Qar 2mo ago #7490194

I have never thought on bussy licking :#bushnelltantrum:

GoldMemer he/him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5DZexDYyuU 2mo ago #7489749

Yes, the rare time something like this happens is a tragedy, and it's horrible what happened to the kids. But it's one instance for every 1,000+ cases of actual r*pe and sexual assault and most of those go unpunished.

if it was black men accused by a white woman this person would be "this happens all the time because of the inherent racism in our society". In fact i bet you the narrative if you asked this person BEFORE she admitted to lying he wouldve said "well they were proven innocent but our court system is inherently sexist so they definitely did r*pe her". that's how they move the goalposts

Epstein lmao

Millions of women are r*ped each year, but hey, what about those guys who got falsely accused once? Such an unfair and disingenuous world view.

this is how ridiculous libs have gotten, MILLIONS r*ped every year? 400,000 people are sexually assaulted in America sure, but that includes any form of groping or sexual battery. R*pe in itself in a first world country is very rare

mostly juts buy into propaganda agree with me that your reasonable ideology is laughable.

reasonable ideology. his post history:

It's always innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That's how it works. That's why these boys weren't convicted by the law.

"Believe all women" is clumsy, but it just means to take women's claims seriously. One reason men feel so free to r*pe and sexually assault is that it's relatively easy to get away with. In a lot of cases it's a he said/she said situation. That's what makes it so hard. A large number of women don't come forward after they're r*ped or sexually assaulted, because they likely will have to face backlash and don't have great odds of getting a conviction anyway.

R*pe and sexual assault are many times more common than false accusations, which are extremely rare. Because, again, accusations tend not to get taken seriously and the accuser often has to deal with a lot of bullshit, and it usually doesn't result in a conviction anyway.

So, we take women's claims seriously, stop jumping straight to accusing them of lying or "asking for it" or other such nonsense that excuses r*pe. We do everything we can to figure out what happened and punish people when they're found guilty. That last part is especially important. Remember Brock Turner? Convicted of multiple counts of sexual assault and then sentenced to 6 months in prison? (Yes, there was also probation and registering as a s*x offender, but that's the bare minimum.)

Until the system works the way it should for the actual victims of r*pe and sexual assault, I'll feel bad for people like these lacrosse players who endure something like this, but it won't do much to change my view of the overall situation.

this is "reasonable ideology" to him, that the men who get aquitted of r*pe ARE all male feminists anyway even when proven innocent because it's just so easy to get away with r*pe. this guy would cheer on emmet till's murder if liberal ideology wasnt based off of worshipping black people

and what do you know he's a Heardcel:

Depp was not cleared of all charges. He most definitely did abuse Amber (and she probably abused him too). The case wasn't to determine whether he abused her or was guilty of anything. It was a claim of defamation.

oh and he thinks Jon Stewart is right wing:

The problem isn't being critical of both sides. The problem is doing it in a way that makes them seem similar or equal. Like his big criticism of two old men in the race. While his criticism is valid, and I don't want two 70+-year-old white men running again, it has a way of reducing it to two equally bad sides. I wouldn't say he's staunchly and publicly partisan toward the left. He is definitely a democrat/liberal, and I don't think he leaves doubt which side he supports, though.

I've watched it all, and almost none of it is left wing. A lot of it leans liberal, and some of it attacks Trump. It's not a "now and then thing" that he criticizes both sides, and it's not just the frequency of it. It's how it's done. The old-man thing was a "both sides" situation. It was railing against the system that gave us these two old white men. It was not about democrats propping up Biden specifically. While I mostly agree that the system sucks, it's still an argument that helps legitimize Trump, because it treats them as two sides of the bad system

more gay shit:

Trump's McDonald's stunt wasn't really a win, unless you have evidence that it helped. All Trump does is pander to his base. Biden and Harris didn't "divide up the country into groups" anymore than republicans do. Your use of buzzwords like "DEI considerations" belies your bias on the point. Nope, none of that is true. What's true is that she was too secure in getting votes from the usual base that she tried too hard to court people outside of the base.

I'm not even clear on what your point is. There's no racism there. And not wanting the same old two old white men running for president is not why "the white working class has turned on them". People voted for Trump based on misinformation and low information, precisely things like thinking that comment is racist. They also voted for him based on the false narrative you're supporting here, that "white working class has turned on democrats due to racism and being out of touch". That's part of the misinformation.

You could have stopped at "Russiagate hoax". That was plenty to let us all know there's no point in reading anything else you write.

1) This is a weird topic to use for that. There's nothing to discuss really. 2) Most reactions are basically "yeah, he went back on his word. It's not great, it's his son, and at least it's not what Trump has done". That's perfectly reasonable. 3) Look at every other conversation here. Every time someone asks why people voted for Trump, the reasons end up being bits of misinformation. Then to talk about it, you have to debunk that stuff. 4) Easier to have a conversation with? That's quite the detour. We're talking about the problem with the general conversation right now. It's not about "ease". It's about starting from facts and reality.

he defends not being mad at biden pardoning his son because it's "reasonable". this is the problem with the US, they see a plutocracy where the people in power wield too much of their power and never see any accountability and then defend it because it's within liberal standards of listening to le hecking experts. biden could r*pe a child and pardon kim jong un and he'd be crying "but what about all the misinformation on the border!!!" As if extreme disgust at the people running the show is bad because the good people follow all the rules when theyre evil

Attention spans haven't changed. Tiktok and YouTube haven't affected people's ability to sit and watch movies. And ticket prices are about the same as they've been for decades.

oh so he's just r-slurred

Even if they didn't do it, they should still get the death penalty. I'll even pay for full page newspaper ads to tell you that.

I believe he's making a commentary on Trump and the Central Park Five. Where they were convicted of r*pe/assault and spent years in prison, while Trump called for them to be executed, even taking out a full-page ad to advocate for it. Of course, they were innocent the whole time and later proved to be so.

/u/Basic_Seat_8349 this is why people hate you: https://old.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/comments/1hex5l4/after_duke_lacrosse_how_to_we_balance_belief_with/m274rnz/?context=8 You can cry misinformation and that r*pe needs to be taken seriously, as soon as Trump takes it seriously by your standards you clutch pearls and talk about how false accusations are so horrible. Youre literally spreading misinformation by saying he "was calling for innocent men to be executed", he was calling for people accused of r*pe to be executed before they were aquitted and by your standards he had excellent judgment because it "almost never happens". heck even when they are aquitted you think they probably r*ped, but the only standards you have is relative to what trump says so trump just needs to start saying vaguely liberal shit and youll be putting on the KKK hood and talking about the border. youre a moron

SoyJackKennedy Beer/Beers Literal unironic GORILLA 2mo ago #7488112

Believe NO women

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SoyJackKennedy 2mo ago #7488349

this but unironically

SomeSperg it/its Enter a flair here 2mo ago #7489942

The very phrase "believe all women" is not even in the same star system as let's investigate their claims. Holy frick

The phrase was never "believe all women". Conservatives called it that because of how it sounds. The phrase was "believe women" and was in response to women's accusations being dismissed regularly.

Of course "believe women" and "believe all women" mean the same thing, but somehow this has to be a conservative's fault so let's just type gibberish to that effect

TheColonel Me/You SomeSperg 2mo ago #7490059

Well they meant the same thing till Biden was accused lol

Monke they/them I :marseyheart:

the FBI & ATF 2mo ago #7489384 Edited 2mo ago

i've seen enough obviously false r*pe accusatons covered by the mainstream media over the last 10 years that my default position has shifted to "lol women"

remember the "deescalatory blowjob?" :marseyxd:

BPplc they/them Monke 2mo ago #7489544

Fun fact: as a percentage of total r*pe accusations there are as many proven false accusations as there are convictions.

AllFunkyAndGroovy fires/in/spurts Hang loose, Donkey dude! :funkykong:

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/u/Basic_Seat_8349 your skin is the color of semen :marseymayo: and you have a Y chromosome :marseydisagree: , BIPOC and women do NOT need or want your :quote: help :quote: !

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Believe all white women? :marseysouthernbelle1:

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whyareyou super/man 2mo ago #7488318

It is un-american to believe someone who claims a crime has been committed but no conviction has been handed down :marseysmughips:

ManBearFridge O/I Subject Expert: Mayo Nonsense/Moderator 2mo ago #7489227

Every one is guilty until I say otherwise. That means you.

Fresh_Start they/them Trans women are women. 2mo ago #7488839

Believe all women. You are all bad allies and should have easily figured out that she is being forced too confess too her male feminist being a good man by the evil patriarchy.

Jewish lives matter too Aevann.

BuddhistButUnchud they/them Fresh_Start 2mo ago #7489352 Edited 2mo ago

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imprison all men

their male feminists in their souls, if not in fact

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https://old.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/comments/1hex5l4/after_duke_lacrosse_how_to_we_balance_belief_with/:

"Believe All Women" doesn't mean to just accept them at their word and punish the men they accuse without evidence- it means to investigate the allegation, no matter who they are or who they are accusing.:

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forgor 2mo ago #7488209

After Duke Lacrosse, how to we balance belief with innocent until proven guilty? : r/AskPolitics

OH SHIT THIS NEIGHBOR SAID THE LINE FROM THAT SPACESHIT FILM

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