Admins/Codecels/Jannies are going to implement EDIT LOGGING. In other words, there will be NO WAY TO ERASE YOUR POSTS/COMMENTS. EVERYTHING YOU SUBMIT HERE WILL BE SAVED AND SEEN BY ANYONE WHO IS GIVEN JANNY STATUS. Editing will no longer be able to protect your Privacy.

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[Long] An open discussion on rDramaโ€™s development part 2, aka idio being a petty piece of shit.

This is obviously a response to a carppost over here, so feel free to read it for his side of the story (wrong).

All this happened due to Kristallmopt, with Aevann asking ex-:marseyjanny: what features they'd miss. Seeing deleted comments came up. It was made into an idea of a profile upgrade (purchasable in shop), where every poweruser would be able to see user-deleted comments (jannymopped stuff would remain invisible). It almost happened. I accidentally noticed it in codecel channel and said this:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684135205881239.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841352061767004.webp

It was then polled and despite carp trying to argue for it, rejected unanimously. Reasons? We're trying to avoid this site becoming a den of snakes where every turbosperg with 20k :marseycoin: can go through your profile and find drunkposting that you deleted yourself months ago and use it to dox you. Also we don't want powerusers freaking out over minor shit and overwriting their entire comment history (which does happen more and more, annoyingly for readability of old posts).

This latter part led to a suggestion of making deleted comments just disappear from one's profile, as a way to make schizos less worried. We couldn't actually delete them from our DB entirely, for a variety of reasons, so this was basically just a visual bandaid to calm neurodivergents down a bit. Obviously it would only work if it wasn't public knowledge, so carp's spergout post made it pointless, and the idea has now been abandoned. You'll still be able to see your own deleted comments.

That part isn't a big deal. What is annoying, however, is that carp did argue for the former (bad) idea, while not saying a peep about the latter until the post that he made. Didn't vote against it, didn't say why this would be bad, nothing. Merely came on the site after it was approved and made its implementation pointless. That was supposed to show how our (((oligarchy))) is dysfunctional and we need a benevolent fish dictatorship, because (((oligarchy))) wants to take your features away. Also notable is that throughout that post he tried to gaslamp the userbase by claiming that we were doing it to be more like reddit (a position that literally nobody took or would ever take). This was what dominated his entire post.

That's about it. That's all that happened.


TL;DR: Carp is gaslamping you. Nothing will actually change, nothing would have functionally changed anyway.

If you accidentally post information that could get you doxxed you ought to do the smart thing and overwrite it, then delete it. Except that anyone who has access to janny privileges (including hackers) will still have the original version of your deleted-and-overwritten comment and dox you with it. If someone on the mod team is too unhinged and breaks down, if you wrong one of the jannies in such a way that they throw a tantrum against you, if one of the jannies is kicked out and they retaliate against the site, or if we get hacked - you are at risk of being doxxed.

There is no longer any precautions or method to prevent this from happening.

Remember all those times where the site glitched out and people were logged into random accounts, including admin accounts? Imagine if we have that glitch again and someone who is logged into a janny account decides to comb the database for doxxable info.

Governments, agencies, and companies already have regular scandals where the people you are supposed to trust have abused their positions of power and exploit the information they have of you. And that's normal people with jobs and families.

Do you honestly trust jannies of a gay incel cat cult to be less unhinged and neurodivergent?

This site is dedicated to drama. It is inevitable that somewhere down in the future, a janny is going to go apeshit and cause a scandal. Edit logging would turn it from a spectacle into a danger with real life consequences.


https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841359392988935.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841359401095989.webp

Moreover, they also planned on preventing users from seeing their own deleted comments, but would secretly still be able to view them and they were going to withhold this information from the entire userbase. They planned on deceiving every single one of you on your Right to Privacy and what happens to your information / who can see it / how you can control it.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841359409068446.webp

Every single admin except carp are complicit in attempting to rob every user here of the right to know what happens with their data, their ability to control who gets it and who doesn't. Carp was the only one who voted AGAINST this measure, all others voted FOR it and wanted to keep it secret from YOU.

I don't care much about Carp. I don't get the cultish fascination some of you have over him. But:

carpathianflorist is the ONLY person on leadership who took a stand, prevent its implementation, and whistleblow on what would happen to your data. His "spergout" protected you from this invasive policy.


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not gonna read all this (didn't read carp's and idio3' posts either), but neither me nor snakes is adding this lol, we only heard about it just now and since we're the only two ppl with access to the repo and the server, it isnt really getting added

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Mr Aevann sir, in your opinion, why are the other jannies completely r-slurred?

:!#marseyreporterfox::#marseycapycarp:

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lack of oxygen in the womb probably

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Saving this comment so I can always go back and appreciate the moment.

:#marseyxd:

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:chadbasedcapy:

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Because they mod drama.

In this case though it's just Carp

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yeah you would say that. we all know about project BUS-EYE. look up aevann connection to mossad

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liar

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it was fricking true then (almost 2 years ago) :marseyshrug:

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Yeah this is news to me. Sounds like a pain in the butt to code too. Additionally, I'll borrow from a recent comment I made:

Despite the recent sperging over deletions and edits, we keep very little non-public info on any users. Pretty much the only things I'd have to remove from a DB export to feel comfortable publicly posting all of it would be email addresses / DMs / admin-removed posts. Everything else is readily available through the UI already.

I guess maybe throw password hashes onto that list too, though they're overkill hashes as it stands now. We also do not store IP addresses and we never have access to your IP addressโ€”it's all proxied through Cloudflare. Y'all need to chill.

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As far as Cloudflare can tell I'm Swiss.

:#marseyhacker:

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Then how does alt seeing eye work if you guys don't get ip addresses, or does cloudflare send you hashed markers or something?

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It barely works, honestly. 100% done with session cookies. Trivially easy to avoid.

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It just uses session cookies? What? :marseyyikes:

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Yeah, because no IP addresses and no browser fingerprinting because a very vocal minority here are paranoid schizos. Cookies are just about the only thing we have left.

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Cookies are bad for you unless you only have one every once and a while as a treat


dude bussy lmao

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But like, 99% of sites log IPs and VPNs exist. Just schizo things I guess.

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So I just switch to brave or firef*x and no one will ever know my chrome account?

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pain in the butt to code

Itโ€™s trivial to add edit history. Just add a trigger to put the old row into another table on update.

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!blackjack105

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pain in the butt to code

Iโ€™m available to consult since youโ€™re clearly incompetent. My fee is paypig status

!blackjack105

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not gonna read all this (didn't read carp's and idio3' posts either)

:#marseycapychad:

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Good to see that some of you still know what the frick you're doing to this place.

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Conspiracy theorists on suicide watch

:#marseyschizowall::#marseytinfoil2::#marseyschizoshaking::#marseytinfoil:

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didn't read carp's and idio3' posts either

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Write only dbs are cool though. You could just store deltas like git.


:#marseytwerking:

:marseycoin::marseycoin::marseycoin:
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they are cool if you are lazy nerd or a :marseyglow:

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You've clearly never written software to support r-slurred underwriters who blame you when they overwrite their own commentary


:#marseytwerking:

:marseycoin::marseycoin::marseycoin:
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:#chadthankskingcapy:

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:#chadbasedcapy:

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This meta infighting shit is lame and I just don't feel like getting involved or commenting on it in general; also I can't vote in those polls but I think I've made my position on this clear for whatever it's worth

But just for the public record I agree with you on this , people should be able to delete their posts if they want to, not have every single thing and every edit they posted stored in the DB forever

@Martzy said to me earlier, "the net positive sum of user experience comes from user-created content." and I agree with that. Adding edit logs would only encourage people to post less

Edit; also I assumed jannys being able to view deleted comments was common knowledge. There should have been more transparency about that IMO

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Comparing reasonable questions about the site's laissez-faire approach to security with the manufactured Groomercord bullshit that you and your ilk engage in is, quite frankly, an insult, and I reccomend you step down from your admin position effective immediately.

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I've been up for like 36 hours and I don't have the inclination to effortpost rn but here you can See my response to that too

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But yeah I get what you're saying and I should have worded it differently , obviously this is more serious but also I don't care I'm tired lol sneed

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I never knew you were so thoughtful

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people should be able to delete their posts if they want to, not have every single thing and every edit they posted stored in the DB forever

Yea I don't see that going over well unless the site is blocked in the EU

Admins don't understand what GDPR is or how it works.

But then again none of these people are working in enterprise areas.

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Drama is definitely not GDPR compliant lol.

IMO part of the purpose of having all this be an open source platform is to encourage transparency with users about things like this, and the fact that jannys can see deleted comments wasn't known to users is rather concerning, again I just assumed that was common knowledge. Users generate the content here, and there should absolutely be more transparency about what is and is not stored

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open source platform is to encourage transparency with users

The code would have to be...uh...readable and documented for that to happen.

Have you tried reading the current code? Don't bother I'll save you the effort :)

It's

:#marseysick:

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:#capygitcommitpat:

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Was that the commit that added signatures? The description is vaguely familiar.

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I mean it is readable, you just wouldn't want to read it

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Drama is DEFIANTLY not GDPR compliant :marseylibleft:


https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334134537326243.webp

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I can see deleted comments too :marseydisconcerting:

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Yea I don't see that going over well unless the site is blocked in the EU

What are the yuropoors going to do? Sue a site that's not hosted in their shithole jurisdiction? Sit the frick down EU pansies :marseylaugh:

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Actually the EU can sue, the result would be of blocking the site to every EU countries IP

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Gonna be tough to do when its behind cloudflare.

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https://www.hostgator.com/help/article/can-i-block-an-entire-region-or-country-from-seeing-my-site

Seems like you can configure cloudflare to do this. No need to do it in the backend

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Why would we block from our end? Seems like very much the EU's problem if they don't want their citizens using our illegal website.

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Problem is: the US and the EU have an agreement that allows EU to blast GDPR lacking sites. Either you block them on your end or get the Europeepee

:#marseycock:

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Is there even a single example of successful cross-jurisdictional prosecution of this?

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Based as frick, please happen

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Imagine sanctions between EU and US happening due to rdrama.net

A dramatard can dream & hope :marseyinshallah:

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As usual Burgers don't understand how the world works.

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:#marseysoypoint:

!blackjack250

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!blackjack500

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!blackjack222

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Does this mean youll stop, or at least chill on selfposting everywhere?

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I've tried to keep that restrained to schizohole, and I didn't buy the unblockable award for myself btw that was certifiedbussyoperator

Want me to make myself blockable again?

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No blocking is for kitties and losers. And i most likely just didnt notice yet youre confined to your hole now

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Want me to make myself blockable again?

Unironically yes, you've proven yourself to be an utterly boring person and I can't help myself but roll my eyes every time I see you posting here no matter the content.

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Honestly respect u for saying that more than I respect my simps at this point it's gotten out of control and I'm at the point where I'm literally annoying myself, idk how anyone can be entertained by it. Lame boring shit, literally just complete spam; unblockable removal requested, hopefully will be done soon, watch this go nowhere in two weeks, I need to touch grass

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Dramatards have proven time and time again that they are as gullible and susceptible to peer pressure as the average redditor they love to make fun of, the only difference being that redditors drool over s*x workers/social media hoes while dramatards form parasitic bonds with one another.

As soon as some inside joke arises, it gets beaten into the ground by people who were never even in a position to have an inside joke with somebody so this is their form of social interaction with people or even worse, it gets beaten into the ground by people hoping to acheive some kind of internet fame hoping to fulfill their miserable social lives.

For all the shit people here talk about redditors, this website is filled with the worst kind, the ones that make fun of them not realizing they're literal textbook examples of them.

The frick am I still doing here.

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For all the shit people here talk about redditors, this website is filled with the worst kind, the ones that make fun of them not realizing they're literal textbook examples of them.

This 10000%

Fricking mellokind of all people woke me up from this insanity with this post that got shadowbanned.

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Basically accusing carp of shit that applies to mello, and then I realize oh shit that applies to me too and like half the people on here. Like this just a waste of my life; pathetic shit, Ted confirmed revolution and its consequences etc etc etc. it's just lame. Not tryna be like mello in 30 years lol

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I'm not here for the drama, the community or any of the gay shit, I'm here to feed my hatred for the 'different'.

Nothing fires up my neurons faster than wanting to snap somebody in two, this site gives me that in spades and I'm addicted to it, it's an adrenaline rush on command.

Like Homocracy told me the other day, I have front row tickets to every shitshow imaginable and I let that influence my judgement towards others.

One of these days I'll revert this account's name to the original one for the recognition and post the password for everybody to see, first come first serve.

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:chadbasedcapy: Anti namestragging radical seethemaxxxxer

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Oops responded to the wrong comment

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sdfsdf sneed

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๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

COPE

Snapshots:

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!blackjack250

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ENOUGH META-DRAMA SHIT

:#capysneedboat::#capysneedboat::#capysneedboat::#capysneedboat:

Groomercord users, and Namestragging, oh my! :marseypearlclutch::marseymeds:

Since every community these days has to have an off-site groomercord for no reason, rdrama has an off-site groomercord! Why does a zero effort shitposting website need a groomercord? Because some people are terminally attention starved and need to form cliques for validation.

This has, predictably, led to some users building up personas and in-jokes on groomercord and then inflicting them on users of the website. These spectacularly unfunny cute twinks then get updooted because people know them from groomercord, which gives us great frontpage content such as this!

If you see a comment chain with a bunch of signature blocks that are just large meme images, skip it, because odds are that it's going to be 50 or so comments worth of groomercord jannies pinging each other.

:#marseyschizowall::#marseyschizoexcited::#marseyschizoidiolove::#marseyschizosorenlove::#marseytedsimp:

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I'm not in a clique. Not even reddit logged your edits. The worst part isn't that you tried to implement this policy, it's that were it not for carp you would have withheld information about this change.

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Not even reddit logged your edits

:#gigachadglow::#gigachadglow::#gigachadglow::#gigachadglow::#gigachadglow::#gigachadglow:

your statement is indeed correct, citizen. Reddit Inc, AEO and its partners DO NOT log your edits. Don't think to hard about it otherwise your car's water pump may fail

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While I didn't vote in the poll, I have to point out that your overall point is pretty r-slurred. You should automatically assume that anything posted on the Internet is public for the world to see and lives forever. If you're using the internet under any other assumption then you should keep yourself safe (in Minecraft).

You're on rdrama. Exploiting users (and jannies) for lulz should be assumed.

This is going to sound really mean but you sound like a redditor.


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Let's not go full lolbert. Sometimes mistakes happen, correcting them is normal behavior. You don't need an edit tutorial and you always should be aware that someone screenshotted or scraped it but giving the terminal edit power to the user is good

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Nah I understand. I just assumed that everything is out there forever. If I had voted I would have voted to make prior to edit comments be deleted from the database. But opsec starts at home


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schizosql isn't me btw it's @DrTransmisia

I agree with you, and I've only been an admigger for like a few weeks, I thought the fact that jannys could view deleted posts was common knowledge

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If you guys were serious about trying to prevent doxxings, you should write a post that informs us how editing comments can permanently erase information for the dumdums that weren't aware - assuming you realize that this is a horrible idea and don't go through with implementing it. Nothing of whatever motions your "committee" has attempted to pass/prevent is actually protecting us, contrary to what idio stated.

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So there are two levels of admins j2 and j3 (used to also be j1 which was meme admins).

I am j2. I'm not part of the committee. I lost my mop in the last purge but cried to Aevann and he added it back. I have janny powers but not in charge of steering the direction of the site in that respect.

I can't see those polls or discussions or vote on them (it's a separate groomercord channel). Im just saying I agree with what you're saying 100% but I don't have any decision making ability over that

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A majority of L3s asked to bring you back too


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majority

:joanmarsey: = :marseyantischizo:

I love u all

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Nothing of whatever motions your "committee" has attempted to pass/prevent is actually protecting us, contrary to what idio stated.

Whatever you're talking about was never in a committee/vote/etc, I'd never heard about it until Carps gaslamping thread and this subsequent sneed post

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bruh if you have literally any information about yourself online, that's on you

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source?

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:marseycapysorenjump2: EvilSoren 5.0 automatically solve most kind of captchas, Including such type of captchas: [b]ReCaptcha v.1, ReCaptcha v.3, Hotmale (Female), Google, Reddit, Ruqqus, Yandex, +12000[/b] Interested? Just google for EvilSoren 5.0! P.S. Free EvilSoren Demo is available! Also, there is a huge discount available for purchase until 31st June: [b]-42%![/b] :marseycapysorenjump2:

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Kinda feels like :marseynoyou: but you are right

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Sure, but that's not what berzels post is about

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:marseycapysorenjump2: EvilSoren 5.0 automatically solve most kind of captchas, Including such type of captchas: [b]ReCaptcha v.1, ReCaptcha v.3, Hotmale (Female), Google, Reddit, Ruqqus, Yandex, +12000[/b] Interested? Just google for EvilSoren 5.0! P.S. Free EvilSoren Demo is available! Also, there is a huge discount available for purchase until 31st June: [b]-42%![/b] :marseycapysorenjump2:

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I hope they enjoy seeing me edit a typo out of 90% of my comments an hour later after I go back and read what i wrote i guess

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I hate how I word almost every comment like an hour after I make it. Then an hour after I edit it I think the new wording sounds dumb too. Sometimes I repeat this like ten times with a single comment throughout the day.

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I've edited week old comments before


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writing intricate sentences

:!marseyno:

marseyposting

:!marseyyes:

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:marseyschizowall:

be like me, someone who can't english

:marseybong::!marseykino:

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WTF? Are you literally me?

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Yes. We're both Carp, remember?

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:marseyautism:

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Man I feel so bad editing my comments after a couple of minutes if it's got upmarseys because for some reason my r-slurred brain makes me feel like I'm deceiving people, even if it's just to fix typos/wording lmao

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:@#dramaramapat:

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wtf, i hate carp now

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Based GDPR violators. Find a data broker to sell to and get that bag, kings.

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Good lord, you people really need to get a life.

Goddarn paranoid psychos, man.

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oh noes, the chadmins will see that I link bussy pics with imgurlinks and then edit out the link after 10 upmarseys

oh noes the comment is pinned and now my bussy is on full display how unfotunate :marseyfemboy:

oh noes the comment is unpinned and now I wont get my fake internet points & attention from strangers dopamine hit

:#marseycontemplatesuicide:

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Or you accidentally post information that could get you doxxed. You do the smart thing and overwrite it, then delete it. Except that anyone who has access to janny privileges (including hackers) will still have the original version of your deleted-and-overwritten comment and dox you with it. If someone on the mod team is too unhinged and breaks down, if you wrong one of the jannies in such a way that they throw a tantrum against you, if one of the jannies is kicked out and they retaliate against the site, or if we get hacked - you are at risk of being doxxed.

There is no longer any precautions or method to prevent this from happening.

Remember all those times where the site glitched out and people were logged into random accounts, including admin accounts? Imagine if we have that glitch again and someone who is logged into a janny account decides to comb the database for doxxable info.

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you accidentally post information that could get you doxxed.

Lmao then don't do that.

For the record, I'm going to stop memeing for a second. You're right overall and I hope you understand that my other comment was just fricking with you because I believe that opsec starts at home.


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If you are r-slurred enough to post doxxing info you should not be on the internet it the first place.

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Tell that to the admins who voted against an award that would give you the ability to see deleted comments (no edit-logging) to "protect you from doxxing".

Explain to me how that reasoning makes sense, especially when in the same breath want to implement edit logging?

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Im telling it to everyone involved here. Just dont post your own doxx and you are fine, its that easy.

@Aevann feature suggestion remove the delete and the edit function so we can have fun laughing at the r-slurred shit some people post here apparently.

Seriously, how often do people post r-slurred shit that could get them in trouble that this is such a major controversy? I dont think I ever deleted a single thing on here.

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Seriously, how often do people post r-slurred shit that could get them in trouble that this is such a major controversy? I dont think I ever deleted a single thing on here.

I didn't think it was a big deal, but idio insists that there are "many users" who "get blackout drunk" and "accidentally dox themselves".

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Thats their problem than I guess lol. But I cant really believe that.

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I don't either, but that's what he told me in the last thread.

Regardless, this means that the Y'all Seeing Eye has a reason to be implemented, whereas edit logging is completely pointless.

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It's not getting implemented.

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You're not getting to see other people's deleted comments for your weird schizo rightoid reasons, lmao. Drop it.

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rDrama and substance abuse, tell me a more iconic duo

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They deserve it.

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feature suggestion remove the delete and the edit function so we can have fun laughing at the r-slurred shit some people post here apparently.

I like this!


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pls don't my grammar and spelling are atrociuos

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You have to report your own comments to get a janny to remove them if you dox yourself? Seems potentially interesting.

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Well if you put it like that, then yeah. Shit's dangerous. But I make an effort to not doxx myself in comments. Except for the time I posted my tattoo.

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According to idio who is one of the admins that pushed for this, we have a preponderance of users who "get drunk and accidentally dox themselves in a fit of alcoholic stupidity".

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:#marseyschizowall:

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Unfortunatly I am a square and alcohol tastes icky so I rarely get drunk. I do wonder how many hacking attemts we survived so far.

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My full name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. Come at me mossad

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yeah this is a really weird update and along with not being able to see your own deleted posts but they can is very curious and pretty shitty.


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17156480765435808.webp

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Doxxings are good for dramacoin.

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carp was the only one who voted AGAINST this measure

:marseyakshually: I didnโ€™t vote one way or the other on anything lol

Edit logging would be cool if users could buy the Yall Seeing Eye though.


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This is proof that carp doesnt want to help the site, only PROFIT of it (in dramacoin) so when dramacoin becomes crypto he'll be another elon musk

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Carp protecting us from the filthy communist janny scum

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Can you guys just figure out a way to save all of my posts and comments to a .csv file and mail the latest versions to the NSA every few weeks?

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Don't worry, I have already done it for you

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Thanks king!

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how about you not post shit you don't want others 2 see? that seems like the easiest solution 2 me ๐Ÿ’…๐Ÿ’…๐Ÿ’…

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:marseylaugh:

You neighbors thought anything you posted on the internet was private. We log all that shit, create a profile out of it, and connect all your online identities together. :marseynotesglow: We see everything, and we don't GAF about "privacy". Stay mad about it.

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:#marseysaluteusa:

This is why carp is my favourite janny.

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Unironically. Really grows on you after a while.

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Have fun scrolling throug my 100 attemts at making a marquee right

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There isn't enough db space to keep all the edits, relax schizo

:#marseymeds:

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Sounds troublesome too, needs extra work to prevent abuse blah blah :marseysleep:

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Let me edit this comment 20 times a day, for every comment

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How much data do you think text needs to be stored, r-slur?

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This is slander because I didn't vote on that poll (I was drunk, big surprise) so I demand a retraction


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The Boolean indicator if a comment is edited or not is sufficient transparency. Edit-logging โ€œto make fun of typosโ€ but actually make it impossible to scrub information is a really bad idea. The perception of semi-privacy is what lets a lot of us tell stories.

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what

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