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EFFORTPOST Lebanon: Beginning of 2025

A lot has happened in Lebanon over these last couple years and I haven't given a breakdown on the situation across the country because I didn't know wtf was going on most of the time. Everything is finally settling down so I think I can approach this now. I'm going to skip the events of the war because I have talked about those already. I'll just compare the situation before and after the war.

Situation October 6

Lebanon is a total shitshow in every possible way. The economy has totally collapsed. The politicians are all the same ones from 1990, the gangsters who were lucky enough to not get car-bombed during the Civil War. The government doesn't function anymore. Even the lowliest civil service job is appointed through patronage from one of the gangs parties based on a complicated scheme where power is divided among a dozen religious sects. That system has broken down and nothing is getting down now. For example they can't remove a pile of 2,000 tons of decaying explosives before it explodes or provide power for more than a few hours per day. The presidency has been vacant for a year because the various factions refuse to compromise with each other.

Background note: The President of Lebanon is elected by the parliament, not a popular vote. He needs a 2/3 vote so there has to be consensus. He must be a Maronite Christian.

Every one of the parties I talk about below are from the civil war. I've written extensively about all of them. It's not really necessary to understand this but if you have any questions about them, I probably answered it there. If you haven't read them, short story: They're all buttholes.

Who is to blame for the impasse? There's a lot to throw around.

  • The Sunnis for whatever can't come up with any unifying leader beyond Saad Hariri, who is too busy licking caviar off a whore's nipple in Ibiza to inspire political change.

  • The Christians are divided. FPM, a vehicle that the last president used to support his megalomaniacal Napoleon-inspired ambitions. He's way too old now so he's turned it over to his son-in-law who is notorious for being even more corrupt, greedy, and r-slurred than your average Lebanese politician.

  • The Lebanese Forces during the war was basically the mafia controlling and "protecting" Christian areas. Now they've reinvented themselves as a political party, but they're still run by literal serial killer whose main job during the war was doing massacres and gang hits against Christian rivals. But now he's got a bunch of r-slurred zoomers supporting him, because hey, who care's about his body count if it was a long time ago?

  • Marada is a small Christian party that represents the interests of the Franjieh family, who have strong support in one region of the country and close ties to Syria. Notable because he's Hezbollah's favorite and his opponent in the election Geagea personally murdered his entire family.

  • The Druze still are completely loyal to Walid Joumblatt. He knows that his sect is a small minority so he throws his weight behind whoever is going to win. At least when he's not too busy smoking weed and shitposting on Twitter.

  • Amal is basically all the Shi'a who don't back Hezbollah. Maybe they're secular. Maybe they're normal Shi'a who just don't buy into Ayatollah Khomeini's Vilayat-e Faqih heresy. They don't have the luxury of idealism since most factions in the country and most regional countries are gunning for the Shi'a right now. Led by Nabih Berri, speaker of parliament and a genius for using political patronage to wheel and deal for what he wants. Lots of blood on his hands too from the war.

Hezbollah is important enough to get more than a bullet point. I don't know what to call this organization. It's an army, a militia, a political party, and a welfare system. They gained a lot of prestige for driving the Israeli occupiers out in 2000 after a long guerilla war. Everyone was like "cool, now that the war is over you can give up your weapons". But they found bullshit excuses to not demobilize and resentment has been building since then. Most of the corruption in the country isn't done directly by them, but they use their military power to block anyone from fixing the government, because if they did it would order them to disarm.

They're in trouble now. A lot of their popularity came from social programs that they did in impoverished mostly-Shi'a areas that the government didn't give a shit about. That was funded by Iran. With the sanctions and general decay of the regime, Iran is in serious trouble and has had to cut their donations way back. The population is really pissed off at the complete breakdown of the government and is smart enough to realize that Hezbollah is cockblocking any effort to reform it to solve their problems.

Even more serious, the Assad regime in Syria has dominated Lebanon for most of the last 60 years. Most of these factions have been allied with them at one time or another, but their power has greatly weakened after the Syrian Civil War left the regime as a crippled fragment of the country. Now it's Hezbollah who are most dependent on them. Iran delivers weapons to them through Syria, so they can't keep building up their rocket arsenal without it.

Israel and Hezbollah have both been remarkably good about keeping the cease-fire since 2006. Hezbollah is deterred by Israel's completely overwhelming military power and the damage they suffered in 2006. Israel is deterred by their humiliating defeat in the ground war in 2006 and Hezbollah's massive arsenal of 150,000 rockets, many of which are long-range precision-guided missiles in the same league as ATACMS.

Now

The situation has radically changed in the last few months, more than I've seen in my life time. To summarize the parts of the war important for us here: It turns out that Hezbollah's huge rocket arsenal was vastly exaggerated by the Israelis. The 150,000 rockets didn't exist. The Israelis have infiltrated their organization to an astonishing degree and kill most of their leadership. The Assad regime collapsed like a wet piece of cardboard.

The good news is that the "Shiite Duo" (Hezbollah and Amal) that has cockblocked any kind of reform in Lebanon is not able to do so any longer. They can't be completely ignored, but they can't stop the nation from making progress. Hezbollah is in complete disarray. Their leaders are dead and every means of communication they have is presumably compromised. Just as they can't coordinate their military forces, they probably can't even come up with any political policy. The collapse of Assad's regime means that they can't rearm and replace the weapons lost in this war.

The general public already was very turned off on them before the war started as they were the most powerful faction so they were most to blame for the country's dysfunction. They might have won some moderate degree in sympathy if they had won victories on the battlefield like in 2006 but their catastrophic military defeats have completely undermined their whole raison d'etre. The said that we have to tolerate a "resistance" group outside of the government's control because they were the only ones who could protect the country against Israeli aggression. That made a lot of sense in 1990s, not very much sense afterward, and it makes no sense now. The completely failed to do any damage with their vaunted rockets and on the ground the IDF was too smart to play their game and just didn't attack. So if you're a Christian, a Sunni, or probably most of the Shi'a who don't have a zealot personality type, all Hezbollah managed to accomplish was to drag the whole country into a war and then lose it. Remind me again, why do we let these people have their own private army?

After the cease-fire a president was finally elected after 2 years. The Shiite Duo stopped insisting on Franjieh, who would never have won because if he's president he might remember that Geagea killed his dog (and the rest of his entire family) and go John Wick on him. The winner is commander of the armed forces Joseph Aoun, no relation to commander of the armed forces Michel Aoun who was the last president. ("Aoun" is like "Smith" and they always go to the army for a compromise candidate.)

Joseph Aoun

He seems like a good choice. He joined the army in 1983. During the Civil War he fought for Michel Aoun against the Lebanese Forces of Samir Geagea in the 1990 "War of Elimination" when the army tried to wipe out the gangsters terrorizing Christians and assert the authority of the state. Notice that I mentioned both of these people above and this is the second presidential candidate who fought against Geagea. Are you guys starting to understand why this soap opera is so interesting?

Word is that he's always been very apolitical and gets along with everyone. He did military training in the USA and Syria. His election is approved by Saudi Arabia, the USA, Qatar, France, all the major factions in Lebanon. (Notice this is the one country in the world where their soveriegnty is such a joke that other countries openly declare which candidate they're voting for.) We can only pray that he ends up like Fuad Chehab, the one successful Lebanese president, who was put into power by the US with the same idea, that he was an apolitical compromise candidate who everyone in the country and the region could accept. He went on to create the good times of the 1960s, so who knows, anything could happen.

Hezbollah is playing hard to get, whining about his choice of prime minister, but this is a negotiation tactic. The other factions, even the Maronite patriarch, have said that nobody will be excluded. By this they mean that Hezbollah will get some representation in the cabinet.

Future

What does the future hold for the Lebanese? Hopefully a hot twink with a nice car who can get you a green card. But we're going to look at the national level.

I am very very cautiously optimistic about this new government. I can't think of a single time since 1975 when there was a government that might be willing and able to act like this is a real adult grown-up country. Not even because of Hezbollah. They were just a symptom. The real problem was the Assad regime. There was no way Lebanon could even try to improve itself as long as that existed. They had their tentacles into every part of society. I don't expect we're gonna see true democracy like the USA in 1864 break out tomorrow, but this is legit the first time most of the people in this country could even begin to start trying to make progress in reforming their political system. I mean heck, they might even start breaking down the barriers between the religious sects like everyone has been promising to do since 1943.

There's a lot of dangers left though. Hezbollah and Assad getting the shit kicked out of them brings a lot of opportunities but there's a lot of potential ways to frick this up. I know I'm a nattering nabob of negativity, but I've been saying for decades that when we get rid of them we have to have a plan for how to replace them.

One immediate concern is the Alawis in Lebanon. They have a neighborhood in Tripoli. The population is, I dunno, maybe 10k. There was a lot of fighting between them and the local (Sunni) population several years ago. Not to mention during the Civil War. Now they're totally isolated deep in the territory of people who have really intense reasons to hate them. There's been a lot of cases of isolated communities like this getting massacred. Although on the bright side, those were during wartime and since the Alawis are no real threat to them anymore they'll probably be fine.

Second is the Shi'a. It's difficult for me to follow what's going on with them because they don't post much in English unless it's straight-up propaganda like al-Manar. What I know is, most of them have zero interest in Hezbollah's corruption, its wars, its heresies imported from Iran, its weirdo restrictions on your social life, among other things. They backed them because there is a real legitimate fear among everyone that the other two sects will gang up and wipe you out. The Lebanese Shi'a now have no friends in the world except Iran, which is completely impotent at the moment with a regime bankrupt financially and morally and on the edge of collapse. In my boomer times, the US would have stepped in to reassure these people that they're not about to get genocided.

Third is the Israelis doing their usual bullshit. Signed a "cease-fire" and kept firing. I guess the implicit understanding was if Hezbollah stops shooting rockets they'll stop blowing away all the apartment buildings in Beirut. In the news they report every little detail of the treaty, but it's understood that most of those are just for show and won't be followed. But Israeli domestic politics once again goes against its national interests. They're not going to leave a couple of the villages on the border that they promised to in the cease-fire. This is very typical of Israeli diplomacy: Always break every agreement a little bit just to remind them that you've got the upper hand and they can't do anything about it. Which dooms them to eventually be in constant war with everyone, but at least in the case of Smotrich and Ben Gvir that's exactly the point. The people they forced out of these villages, Christians and Muslims, are not just going to forget about it. And there's already psycho fringe Israelis trying to build settlements there. They're the fringe now, but once they've got facts on the ground, they'll make sure this keeps going for generations.

Fourth is what Hezbollah does when they're in a corner. In 2006 they won a conventional war which was incredibly shocking. Now their conventional army is destroyed. If they go back to fighting, they're gonna go back to guerilla warfare. And they're really good at that. And if they're really desperate, they'll go back to terrorism. You dipshits call them a "terrorist organization" because you think "terrorist" is a synonym for "bad". They stopped doing terrorism a long time ago but it's not because they found Jesus and became nice. If they get desperate they'll go back to it. And it won't be in Israel.

Hopes

Everything is going right for Lebanon right now except for Israel continuing to bomb them. If the cabinet there just has anybody who wants to accept that they won a war and not prolong it, everything will be fine. The ball is in their court.

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if Heck is Other People, let's make Heaven on Earth ❤️

I think we should commit genocide on Russia and China and Iran and North Korea with nuclear weapons.

I don't want regime change, I just don't want their government and citizens to be alive at all :marseyembrace:

!burgers

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There's a hundred versions of this attack in the replies as per usual every time this subject comes up. Let's unpack.

What the name actually refers to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_(person)#:~:text=A%20prickly%20pear%20cactus%2C%20which,a%20sweet%20and%20soft%20interior.

The Sabra character predates the Lebanese Christian militia chimpout:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739372646gCpfhf-goqClvg.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739372646zOzsB3OhUp2Y5g.webp

So much for that nonsense

:#marseynorm: :#marseynorm:

I can't believe I just defended Disney, kill me now

:#marseybackingintobush:

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Why is Sweden :marseymidsommardani: so r-slurred?

What makes afghan refugees so important that they won't get deported no matter :marseypinkname: what crimes they commit, but a Ukrainian :marseyazov: nursing student :marseyklennyreading: who's been in Sweden :marseymidsommarchristian: for a decade and is perfectly integrated has to go back home in the middle :marseyllama2: of a war lmao

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Fatass that can't sit down and write because he's busy eating says an Elden Ring movie could happen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/twZojbLKcj

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982414guTFiRgLc9sZRQ.webp

https://screenrant.com/matrix-sequels-tank-marcus-chong-not-return-reason/

After playing such an integral role in The Matrix, Tank (Marcus Chong, adopted son of Tommy Chong) didn't appear in either of the sequels, The Matrix Reloaded or The Matrix Revolutions, with many viewers wondering why. As the operator of the Nebuchadnezzar, Tank plays a pretty crucial role on the team in the first movie, making his disappearance surprising. That's especially true due to the fact Tank was one of the few Nebuchadnezzar crew members to even survive Cypher's betrayal of his comrades. In 2003's The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, Tank is instead replaced by his brother-in-law, Link (Harold Perrineau Jr).

It's explained in-universe that Tank died sometime after the first Matrix movie, though no cause is given. It's a simple explanation hiding a complicated behind-the-scenes story. The real reason Tank didn't come back for the admittedly quite divisive Matrix sequels was a conflict between actor Marcus Chong and the producers. Said conflict got incredibly heated, leading to legal battles, and Chong making shocking allegations against his former colleagues and bosses. Needless to say, Chong's career has never truly recovered.

TLDR for the original matrix he got paid $75k (in 1999 is worth approx. $142k today) and for the sequel demanded the same pay as the other 3 or 4 main characters who actually survived the first matrix movie too lol who were all offered like a million ( approx. $1.9 million today) but they refused to pay him more than 400k (approx. $757k today)

:marseyracist#:

While Tank died in the canon The Matrix timeline, there was a behind-the-scenes reason for this creative decision. In 2003, Chong filed a lawsuit against Warner Bros/AOL Time Warner, claiming that there was a verbal agreement from 1998 and a contract signed in 2000 that guaranteed him a place in the sequel movies. Warner offered him $400,000 for The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions, and he wanted to get $1 million, and Chong wouldn't budge (via entertainment.ie).

The lawsuit included claims of defamation, stating that the producers tried to paint him as a terrorist. In October 2000, Chong was arrested for making threatening phone calls to Warner Bros and writer-directors the Wachowskis over his being written out of the movie. He even went as far as claiming he was being blackballed in the industry by the producers. Chong hasn't been in many movies since The Matrix — which may hint that he is difficult to work with.

Beyond all of this was a website I never heard of probably made by Chong and is a goldmine of sneed lmao

www.boycottthematrix.com

https://web.archive.org/web/20020608185811/http://www.boycottthematrix.com/index.htm

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982414hyFA6rXZppllTw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982415w024UkRuC2GdfA.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17379824159g6URGQVWR1NaQ.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982416tIpel3FA-8Aamw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982416Cvu5VZCnnN9MEw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982417rs6bwRfKy_YvNA.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982418q6ckWrYLr7ZLjg.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982418MMwsA3t31_iRCQ.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982418Xj004Pr8EAO5kw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982418hlybAUqngD6naA.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982419hwrcg2IDH23Gtg.webp

As a result of all this drama, Chong's last real feature film was in "The Crow: Wicked Prayer" starring washed up actors Edward Furlong (John Conner T2), Tara Reid (American Pie), and David Boreanaz (Buffy TV show)

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982420LEXSh6sM5R0NvA.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737982419NW1GO21Y1LhuEw.webp

(Despite being a fan of the original "The Crow" Brandon Lee movie, I have never even heard of this crow movie until now but I will give every dramatard 1 gold award who has suffered through it and educates me on how terrible it is)

Anyway I have no idea wtf this r-slur has been doing for 15 years after sperging out, but I found his youtube account were he paints a crazy picture and if you skip to the last few seconds claims The Whack-out-ski Sister threatened to transition him, to the grave. :marseyskull:

Now that you have seen all the evidence :marseygiggle:

Please judge, who was right here:

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:!marseystrutting: Marseygen's back now :marseystrutting:
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Boston is full of a bunch of fricking nazis

					
					
					
	

				
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NIGHTGOWN BROCK

The boys love being under the sheets where it's warm :marseycomfy: :marseyneet: :marseytoasty2:

!animalposters !cats

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Conservative (?) news account that got big during covid outed as a furry, gay bottom

Now THATS how you conservatism in 2025. Uwu

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Sorry I misread your request. I thought you meant 3 more ban awards.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739660600XYJBU-dyU4GdmA.webp

https://media.tenor.com/8jlC25Qb-jEAAAAx/spiderman-funny.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739660600JhV9OrKyUr86fQ.webp

!friendsofspiderman

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The chud cries out in pain as the leopard eats his face "Trump betrayed us"
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There's a lot here, but a summary and some key takeaways:

Lady is a feminist and a dominatrix. Decides she wants to fight for social justice in a small South African kingdom. Applies to the Peacecorps; is told that up to half of all Peacecorps volunteers ragequit, and is she absolutely certain she wants to continue fighting for social justice? Says yes, gets in the program, is informed on arrival that there will be no fighting for social justice, since Africans are racist and sexist and the local King will absolutely FAFO the Peacecorps if it fricks around.

Whole country is full of AIDS. 25% of all people have HIV, including 40% (yes) of all pregnant women.

Lots of little details come to light, such as:

A man killed his wife for asking him to wear a condom. Whether this is a reasonable thing to do or not is, evidently, a matter of national debate in their society.

Peacecorps volunteers can't wear anything too slutty, like mom jeans, else they might get r*ped. Having to wear a dress and not being allowed to wear jeans causes her fellow volunteers so much distress that at least one of her coworkers quits.

Libertarianism is rampant. To the point where they have billboards everywhere warning adults that fricking kids will give them AIDS.

It's not just normies, either. Apparently the King himself spotted a middleschooler he wanted to bang; her family tried to flee to England, so he had the Secret Service track her down and abduct her.

Because Africans hate hookers, Peacecorps volunteers find themselves needing to do HIV outreach work while simultaneously avoiding groups with HIV, lest they anger the locals too much.

The Peacecorps offers months of training and ideological reinforcement, but after that, has no idea what the frick it's doing. Every individual volunteer is, evidently, expected to think of something useful to do on their own, if and when they get assigned to a village; there's no "plan". Just liberal 20-somethings, abandoned amongst AIDS-riddled libertarian male feminists, with truckfulls of cash and rapidly souring views on the nobility of underprivileged Africa.

Eventually Our Heroine finds a village where hookers have formed a union, of a sorts, and is like OOO GOODY as a hooker myself, that's for me.

Unfortunately, it turns out most of the hookers aren't actually hookers. They're fake hookers, only telling the NGOs that they work as hookers because they expect government gibs earmarked for s*x workers. There is, apparently, no way of screening any of them, so everyone loots the hooker aid money and nobody cares.

But whatever, some of them are probably hookers right?

The local NGOees hit on a brilliant plan to convert the "hookers" into car wash attendants - even though there's almost no cars, and the only "road" in the community is a mud track that makes cleaning an effort in futility.

But the car wash is abandoned halfway through the building process, after the money is handed out but before anything concrete and workable is in place. Instead of waiting to finish the wash (which would have been an economic failure anyways, given the aforementioned lack of roads), the Peacecorp Kids organize a press event and take a bunch of photos to go on their resumes, before every single one of them leaves.

The half-finished car wash is abandoned and the Africans go back to hooking. Only lasting legacy are the news reports touting the success of those bright-eyed white liberals helping African hookers get on their feet.

The fact that she, also, fricked off out of Africa and cynically hates her Peacecorps work, same as the rest of the buttholes she worked with, goes unremarked.

OH, and frick Trump and Elon, they're the real problem, even though aid doesn't work it's important we support it anyway. Maybe she'll explain this in a subsequent article...?

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Foid destroys friendship despite being more intelligent and having correct opinions - AITA?

					
					

WARNING THIS POST CONCERNS LEFTISTS SO EVERYTHING IS :marseylong1:

https://media.tenor.com/Isme1Ifin1wAAAAx/greys-anatomy-amelia-shepherd.webp

Honestly I (f19) feel like I messed up very badly here, despite having been the "more educated" one on the topic. I blame it on my impulsivity, bad debating skills and lack of empathy, and now I regret having cut someone off too quickly. (posting from a throwaway acc. Might delete this post later). Ok, very long wall of text incoming, only read if you have time to care to hear about the troubles of a dumb leftist teen...

We got along greatly, shared a lot of hobbies and interest in the same media, she (f20) seemed to like me a lot, and I might've even developed a crush on her. But then the issue appeared when I once compared the depiction of an oppressive system from "Arcane" to what's going on in Palestine. Turns out she's "neutral", is only focused on the current war (without any regards to the broader historical context) and refuses to support a liberated Palestine bc then Hamas would rule and enforce sharia law (she's specifically concerned about the women. In her own words, she "can't support a country that treats women worse than animals") (also she spoke of Hamas as if they're the only Palestinian semi-governing power, it seems she has never heard of the PA (although I'm aware that they're collaborators of the occupation)). (Also she wrongfully regurgitated the claim that Israel is more tolerant towards other religions.) I told her, among other things, about how Israel forces all of its citizens into military training in order to maintain the occupation, but her only response to that was "yeah, I too wish they would leave the women out of the conscription", completely missing the point. I also mentioned the Nakba, but eh, to no avail. And to be fair, it was probably a mistake on my part to not provide sources right away the first time it came up. I wish I had just sent her the purplewashing-article from decolonizepalestine.com right away instead of wrestling with my weak words. And I feel like in general I didn't address her points and concerns well and precise enough, such as failing to make it clear enough that supporting Palestinian liberation has nothing to do with inherently supporting Hamas' ideology, and the reason most people (including those who'd be marginalized under them) are not condemning them right now is because they (alongside other armed groups of different ideologies) are currently the only effective resistance against Israel in Gaza. And I realize I might've made a crappy transition to that topic in the first place too, it started with me disecting the in-show argument "you're one of the good [members of an oppressed group]" and arguing that a people under occupation can't/shouldn't be separated into "good/harmless civilians" and "armed/evil terrorists", if the root cause of "terroristic actions" is oppression from an outer force and said "terrorists" are sometimes the sole glimmer of hope of their societies. And when I meant to say something in the sense of "Gaza is an example of that, where you can't separate the people based on their reactions to their own oppression, the 'peaceful' ones may disagree with the 'radical's ideology and methods but in the end they still share a common struggle and goal, the true big bad here being the colonial oppressor (for now) who created the conditions for violent resistance and religious fundamentalism to spread in the first place", it ended up coming across to her as "all of Gaza supports Hamas".

Eventually I just gave up arguing, on the basis that "hey, at least she supports a ceasefire too", and we continued our friendship and communication like normal. Though that underlying feeling of frustration and disappointment kept lingering within me...

Some time later, over the course of a few months, we watched some movies together... and some of these movies (e.g. "Wicked") also contained themes of oppression and discrimination, presenting fictionalized depictions of them in fantasy settings, and another one was about colonialism and it's effects on nature. Obviously, when watching these, my brain also inevitably made the connection with Palestine (among other things), but was frustrated knowing that I couldn't tell her that without having to argue again.

Over time, I opted to sprinkle in some political articles (not even just about Palestine specifically, but also White Feminism and other instances of colonialism and imperialism, including an analysis on zionist antisemitism) in my stories inbetween pics of my mundane activities, hoping she'd read them, without me having to shove it in her face directly. But it proves to have been for nothing...

Fast forward, and I share with her a leftist commentary&analysis video about Arcane ("Arcane has always been centrist", great watch btw). We discuss some stuff we agree and disagree on in a civil manner. Eventually I somehow couldn't help but mention Zionism and Palestine in a small side comment again (my bigger argument was not centered around it). She noticed, and got upset again, disagreeing and stating "uhm I disagree, Palestinians aren't oppressed, they are the ones who started it and are being racist towards Israelis". I got annoyed and replied something along the lines of "Bruh, Israelis are the indeed occupiers and oppressors here, how you still so ignorant?" and announced that I'll share some sources for once. She took great offense to being called "ignorant", and claimed she'll also share some from her side.

I took some time for research and sent her several long lists with sources covering several aspects (the beginnings and proof that this is indeed colonialism, casualties comparison, Hamas & PA and other factions, women (including female journ*lists and resistance fighters), greenwashing, ressource distribution...) with some of my own commentary in between (which for once was actually quite calm, objective (Edit: ok the first few messages were emotionally charged too), and non-accusatory). Though it didn't take too long either, because I have already semi-prepared myself for such confrontation. Then I waited. 1 week of silence. Then, her reply finally arrived. It was not as bad as I thought it'd be, but still disappointing. She essentially just wanted to retreat from the argument, refused to share her sources bc "it would only stoke the flames", once more insisted she was already well-informed long before receiving my links since she "has been keeping up with this war for a long time", and suggested we should just shift our focus away from this topic because she otherwise enjoys hanging out and talking with me. I took offense to that, since she essentially admitted to not even have bothered looking at anything I sent. And her offer just... rubbed me wrong. Having to avoid this one topic when it's reflected so often around us, in reality and fiction. And in general, how could she deny the plight of one people, but then preach how "all oppression is wrong"? If she's on a completely different page than I am? So I took only 24hrs to draft different responses, and sent some replies that could be dumbed down to this: "Sorry mate, but if I can't discuss stuff like this with you, we're not compatible" "Also, you mean you can't support guys who commit mass-r*pes, but yet you are fine with me 'supporting them'? (since according to your own logic, pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas are the same thing)" "I really don't want to do this, but I think it'd be better for both of us if we go seperate ways. Goodbye" and one pic with a cartoon saying "We can disagree and still be friends - yeah, on pizza toppings, not genocide". And before she had the chance to respond, I blocked her.

And now I wish I had taken more time to think, before doing any of this. Because now she definitly resents me for good. And it would've not ended like this, had I done things differently from the start. We had plans together, and I ruined them. I wish i could've either kept it alive but simply at arms length (like make it clear if she insists on these views, I merely can't consider her my closest of friends and that our relationship evolving into anything beyond platonic will be off the table), or just break it off much gentler, without blocking... The subtle contempt I felt before that point has abruptly transformed into much more debilitating shame, guilt and regret since.

To wrap this all up, I guess the main questions I derive from this experience and would like you to give your thoughts on are:

Was I justified in feeling the way I did (even if I might've overreacted?

What would you have done in my place?

Do you think we could've continued being friends like that, that it would've been ok?

And any advice on coping with the consequences of my actions and my grief overall? Surely I'm not the first to have been in this sort of situation, right?

General advice and sources on how to be more compassionate and come off as less zealous when engaging in debates like these?

Bc in left circles, we always argue about how friends can agree-to-disagree, except when it comes to human rights and genocide. Would this have also fallen into that? Since otherwise we're both very pro- any human right you could think of (except she isn't really pro-Palestinian rights, I guess... or technically she is worried about Palestinian women, but only in regards to the violence they suffer at the hands of domestic patriarchy, not recognizing the additional suffering caused by colonialism and that either source of gender-based violence does not justify the other). And isn't there at the same time a common complaint about how the left is so weak because we are so divisive over too many things?? (or does it apply here at all?)

Like do not get it twisted, she is not evil, she is not a zio herself (though one of her fave celebrities is one), she probably has her heart in the right place, she's just very stubborn and was unlucky to have received a half-assed and probably patronizing attempt at education from me, an equally stubborn plus impulsive and hot-headed individual. And now she's surely heartbroken too, maybe even more than I am. She is a very forgiving person, but I doubt we could ever get reconcile this time... or if we should even get reconcile at all. Bc now I know I won't convince her to consider a different perspective ever. And if her stance made my uncomfortable, mine probably made her uncomfortable too.

Ok thank you for reading my entire stupid yappery, I'm interested to hear you all.

:marseylong2:

You were a massive, ginormous peepee. You shouldn't apologize. She's better off without your endless diatribes, purity tests and holier-than-thou "learn or burn" link dumps. Poor girl was like, here's a dweeb who literally supports fundamentalists Islamist terror groups and think raping, mutilating and murdering girls at a music festival is "resistance", but I'm still gonna give his shmuck butt a chance. And you just kept blowing it over and over again. Leave her alone and go be miserable by yourself or with someone who does some useless Palestine virtue signaling street theater.

She didn't "engage" with your nonsense link dumps because she's a mature, emotionally developed human being who prioritized a relationship with you over political disagreements that neither of you have any actual influence over. She didn't need the validation of defeating your viewpoints or convincing you. She gave you the most precious thing she has, herself, her time, her attention, even as you kept insinuating that she was lacking because she didn't submit to your arguments.

I know you're a kid. Do whatever you want. She's better not being around a toxic person, and if you're not one yet, you're well on your way. As for her, don't you worry, she'll put a finger out and guys will line up around the block to give her attention and care and support and love which she deserves.

You didn't expect this on a leftist sub, but here we are. I hope one day you can look back and really see what an ugly person you were to a nice girl who went out of her to overlook areas of disagreement, try to make peace and be with you, something which is very rare in this world.

:marseylongcockandballs:

Neutral is complicit, frick her

:marseylong3:

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how to enrich uranium?

this

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/173921696661ogmTPBiblHEw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216966Gx2y1BPJT8XsHg.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216967J4vXYPy5nY4Z8A.webp

:marseytariq2#:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216967uMB2sbCx8udc3g.webp

People know they hate to see a real FBA win :marseyblack:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17392169673M_Hwq_HHKBbOg.webp

Imagine being 43 years old and being this cringe :marseycringe:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216968yK9ZKx-QmgmaPA.webp

He's from the Congo but cares more about Palestine... curious :marseyhmm:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216968_ZfzXZuzlprDRA.webp

True American FBA patriots are lighting up ICE's phones over this :marseygossip:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216968E3uwXCZvylzthw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739216968Yc3i4SJFlBcgNA.webp

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National Science Foundation bans all research mentioning females :marseybased:

Orange Site thread

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:marppy: Drama Report: 2025-02-12 :marseyminer:

Top Drama

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🔥🔥🔥🔥🔘The current state of this country has me panicking. I'm having pani.../r/confession (11M)60%13453
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘AITAH for refusing to split rent evenly with my girlfriend after sh.../r/AITAH (3M)54%1190
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘I'm that one who decided to stay with my cheating wife... with cond.../r/TrueOffMyChest (3M)59%1257
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘New rule. No more post about USA, Trump, or reaction to their bulls.../r/EhBuddyHoser (67K)53%878
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘What if instead of "Gulf of America" we settled on "Gulf of the Ame.../r/whatif (31K)56%597
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘President's day protest/r/idahofalls (10K)49%355
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘Anyone else think AI is overrated, and public fear is overblown?/r/ArtificialInteligence (2M)52%317
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘Lift malfunction/r/Unexpected (12M)64%417
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘Can we all agree MILEZPERPROWER just made the best Ragatha design e.../r/Amazingdigitalcircus (34K)51%300
🔥🔘🔘🔘🔘Trudeau is finally talking about the "crushing U.S. tariffs." But e.../r/XGramatikInsights (129K)47%264

Relative Drama (takes into account the size of the subreddit)

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🤓🤓🔘🔘🔘President's day protest/r/idahofalls (10K)49%355
🤓🔘🔘🔘🔘Ilhan Omar DID marry her brother and said she would 'do what she ha.../r/altmpls (9K)47%218
🤓🔘🔘🔘🔘Elizabeth Warren just ASSAULTED me on camera for asking her WHY she.../r/UsaNewsLive (3K)48%57
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🤓🔘🔘🔘🔘Hot take: a lot of y'all are overreacting to the so-called PDF alle.../r/AMBERLYNN_Snark (13K)59%205
🤓🔘🔘🔘🔘New rule. No more post about USA, Trump, or reaction to their bulls.../r/EhBuddyHoser (67K)53%878
🤓🔘🔘🔘🔘Mal/Kendrick/r/RoryAndMalPodcast (12K)50%124
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:marppy: autodrama: returning jobs to dramneurodivergents. :marseycapitalistmanlet: Ping HeyMoon if there are any problems or you have a suggestion :marseyjamming:

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New Current Thing (Rightoid Edition) Just Dropped: Black Jeopardy

For those of you not in the know, Black Jeopardy is a recurring SNL sketch in which the trivia categories are replaced with Black slang,. Naturally, many of the jokes use Black stereotypes as the punchline, so you'd think rightoids would love this. Sadly, the chuds of the moment are too thin-skinned to appreciate this.

8 years ago, Tom Hanks joined Black Jeopardy as Doug, a Trump supporter (hick) who fits into the show perfectly due to a shared distrust of elites, but is reluctant to shake the host's hand.

Recently, as part of the 50th Anniversary, SNL did another Black Jeopardy. It was the least funny one so far, but that's not important. At the end, Doug appears and does the same thing as before (getting a question right, is reluctant to shake the host's hand).

Rightoids were not having this, proclaiming :marseyblack: and :brainletmaga: finding common ground to be instead to mockery of all rightoids, and an expression of the liberal elite's pure contempt for them.

You can see some here: https://x.com/search?q=libs+of+tiktok+tom+hanks, but here's a few others:

And here's Elon retweeting the time-honored tradition of "all my enemies are libertarians":

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739847979R-3oOAMStqelAQ.webp

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Babies!

Brock is so cute! Triana is the sleepiest babe!

!animalposters !cats

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NFL Stadiums developing Anti-Air defenses

:marseysaluteusa#:

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MAGA patriots think the Deep State is crashing planes to make Trump look bad

their new tactic is to dive bomb fricking planes? ground all flights. Fire every fricking airline employee. Hang the fricking commies.

Mexicans, Canadians, nor :!marseytrain:s should be allowed to pilot airplanes in U.S. airspace from now on.

At least until every foreigner is psychoanalysed.

Ive seen like 50 different videos from doorbells, webcams, dashcams, and phones all released within 2 hours of this crash.

Yet the DC collision we only have 2 grainy videos from far away?

Especially having footage from 40 different angles released immediately.

I've been saying that there's a possibility that the CRJ700 that crashed in D.C. was headed towards the White House and that the Air Force/USSS used maybe a missile or remote controlled helicopter to take it out.

How do you cover up an attack like that?

You call it a helicopter "accident",

'cause you can never say you blew up a passenger plane carrying 60 or so people in it.

This looks like a fricking missile

@Aevann rightoid drama

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All It Takes to Destroy Sri Lanka is One Monkey

And by 'destroy' I mean 'cause a nationwide blackout' and by 'monkey' I mean 'monkey'.

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