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I'm really sad that I didn't find this until after Donkey Kong December
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Billions must die

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1682742690085488.webp

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How do I give my characters different voices?

I'm writing (in first person) from both perspectives and sometimes I just feel like there might not be enough "individuality" in my characters even though I really try to "make" them think and act in a way that fits and identifies them. Plus, I figured I could tell the difference if I read my work, but I'm afraid the readers might not. If you've ever gone through something similar, what made you realise your "gut feeling" was right/wrong? :marseyhmm:

OP has a great question, and an interesting challenge for any writer. People think, speak, and write differently, and in a first person text with multiple perspective you need to get this right.


Now the top comment doesn't even know what "voice" means in this context:

You don't, the readers do. As soon as you present some new character, people tend to make an effort of distinguishing the imagined looks and voices for the sake of keeping things organized.

It's a part of nature we take advantage of when writing. Just make sure that it's always obvious who is doing what. I've read manuscripts with similar situations, where it wasn't clear which of the two had which thought or opinion, it was expressed without setting up proper POV. You have to always distinguish between the two. :marseybrainlet:

"You don't need to make your characters sound different, just make sure the text explains who's talking."

This should be at the top. It can be a huge distraction if the writer adds a bunch of pointless mannerism or dialect to distinguish characters from each other.. :marseygigaretard:

This person believes dialect, funny accents, and catchphrases are the only ways that people communicate differently.

OP comes back with a sensible followup question:

I actually wasn't looking for ways to make my characters different in their ways of talking: by "voices", I meant their internal voices. My books are full of introspection. Since those two particular characters have similar ways of thinking, I thought they might be not that different during introspective sequences, but that uniqueness is exactly what I'd like to achieve.

This is exactly where a normal person might question whether the protagonists should have such similar ways of thinking, or suggest using their internal monologues to further differentiate the characters, or give ANY of the advice out there about character voice. Is the voice stream of consciousness or more structured? Formal or informal? Sparse or prosy? What kinds of words do they use to describe their surroundings? What is their emotional tone? How does their attitude, mindset, personal history, etc. affect the style of their narrative?

The response they get is... slightly approaching advice about different perspectives, but I'm pretty sure it's also a Kingdom Hearts monologue.

Every person has a past, a present and a future in their hearts and minds that they carry with them. Therefore they will see things differently according to whether or not a situation or even an object triggers them.

We are all a little broken and yet we carry on often keeping the hurt inside. The thoughts that come define who we are at any moment. :marseyanime:

This may help you distinguish who in your story is thinking.

Ok but how does this affect their use of language?

That's a pretty profound statement in general!

Are you... A professional quote maker?

I think that itโ€™s the secret to true friendship. Allowing someone to be a bit irrational without taking it personally gives them the space to heal in a way because there was no reaction or better no rejection just for being human.

In writing, if the reader discovers the deep wound in a character, then they will recognize and feel something that possibly speaks to them. That character can stay with them forever.

Thank you for your sweet comment. I donโ€™t know why but it validated me somehow.

Ok but how do they sound :marseydeadinside2:

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IDIO REMOVED AS ADMIN :marseyclapping::marseyclapping::marseyclapping::marseyclapping::marseyclapping::marseyclapping: :!marseykneel: :marseycapy: :marseykneel:

!nonchuds !chuds the war is over, we win

@DeletedAccount on suicide watch!

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(the idio easter egg hunt is over :) )

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The Evil is Defeated

Frick this Reddit powerjanny level behavior lol. Unilaterally pulling the plug on this turbosperg until the brave and noble Ukrainians can do it irl.

Sorry Aevann but I'm acting out of the good of the site and its users.


Edit: Let this screenshot from idio (daughter toucher) be forever immortalized as consequence for his war crimes against the good people of rDrama. You'd think a veteran dramatard would be aware of the Streisand effect by now, but...

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1971-CURRENT YEAR + 8 [BREAKING] John Olver has died

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Olver

pic unrelated

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Mods of /r/learnjapanese draw the ire of subscribers when a single post causes them to update the subreddits NSFW policy.

CONTEXT

/r/learnjapanese is the largest language learning subreddit on reddit, and centers around learning the Japanese language. There are many negative stereotypes associated with consumers of Japanese media, and being the largest language learning subreddit on reddit, /r/learnjapanese is bound to attract some interesting individuals.

Japanese learners often measure their proficiency in the language using the Japanese Language Proficiency Test, or JLPT. The JLPT is held twice a year, all around the world, and is separated into 5 levels based on difficulty, from N5, the easiest level, to N1, the hardest. While still being far from true mastery of the language, N1 is the highest level, so is the target for many Japanese learners. The most recent test was held in December, and scores were released this morning January 23rd.

THE ORIGINAL POST

Following the release of scores this morning, OP was excited to find out that they had just passed N1, the highest level, and wanted to share their method for accomplishing this. See the mirror on /r/languagelearningjerk (heh) here. The catch is this: OP consumed lots of "nukige". As OP themself explains,

A nukige is usually a form of visual novel that is made with the intent of getting the reader off.

OP decides to get very graphic in their description of their study methods, saying things like:

every single day (except days where I was stressed or tired) Iโ€™d be reading and using some form of nukige/doujin/NSFW ASMR to study, often for multiple hours on end. [...] some days Iโ€™d be edging for 7-8 hours straight.

or describing the fetish material that worked well for them. They discuss the downsides of other NSFW material like eroge (the distinguishing feature with nukige being that eroge have a higher focus on plot), Japanese Adult Video, doujins (self-published works), and ASMR. OP finishes the post by listing the titles of half a dozen works he particularly enjoyed, such as ็Ž‹ๅฅณ๏ผ†ๅฅณ้จŽๅฃซ๏ผทใƒ‰ไธ‹ๅ“้œฒๅ‡บ๏ฝžๆฅ่พฑใฎ่ฆ‹ไธ–็‰ฉๅฅด้šท (The princess and lady knight's super indecent exposure: shameful slave showcase)

THE COMMENTS

The comments are mixed, this comment captures the general feel of the comment section:

bro this is both impressive and horrifying.

Some users express concern for OP's wellbeing, demonstrating clear symptoms of porn addiction

Edging for 7-8 hours daily. Jesus fricking christ, man, that's some dedication for learning.

This guy saw a red button that said "You become fluent in japanese but you get porn addiction" and pressed it

Others commend OP for managing to pass the N1 using their unconvential methods.

I mean... Honestly... Iยดm impressed. I remember many people who never get above the N3 level, and here you are, passing N1 after two years. Good job.

THE MODS RESPOND :marseyjanny2:

The mods quickly removed the post, no doubt due to its explicit content. Following this, the mods make an announcement that they are updating the sub's nsfw policy, requiring all future nsfw posts to go through mod approval prior to posting.

Many users take offense to this rule change, with the usual "literally 1984" comments. Some think the mods are butthurt about the post, changing the rules just so they could delete it. Users who agree with the rule change face downvotes from others who think the prior nsfw policy was fine. As one downvoted user puts it:

Good.

Literally every nook and cranny of the internet is filled with NSFW crap. Tired of seeing it in my face all the time when I'm just trying to learn something or improve myself. It's even more awkward when you're an adult and you realize it's a teenager talking about it. People are so cripplingly obsessed with NSFW content and unable to control their urges. It's an addiction. So much degenerate brain rot everywhere you look on the internet.

Yes, NSFW content exists in Japanese. It's a language, it's made to describe things. NSFW content being one of them. No, it does not have to be here unchecked. The comprise is requiring it to be approved. I think it's fair.

Thanks mods.

Being many people's first exposure to learning a foreign language, /r/learnjapanese has a stereotype of being full of "eternal beginners" (people who repeatedly go back to the same beginner materials without ever improving) and people who give up after a few weeks of learning. Some users think this is an effort by the mods to silence one of the few success stories with learning the language. As another user puts it:

Seems like you want to keep discouraging people from getting better at the language by hiding methods from them. Some people probably didn't even know about visual novels or text hooking or yomichan before they saw that post.

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10jrcq1/the_language_learning_jerk_goes_too_far_when_op/?sort=controversial

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Null is interacting with Bardfinn

Is Dear Feeder about to get bardpilled?

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Just a reminder that we were the masterminds behind this drama, and it was us that caused /r/art to go private after we made this go viral. Their jannies even say so themselves! :marseywink:

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Previous Thread 1

Previous Thread 2

Subreddit Drama Thread - will probably be deleted soon, because the SRD mods keep mopping posts about this for "not being dramatic enough" :marseyeyeroll:


Also including this again because it's too funny not to.

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:#marseyjanny2: :#marseysoycry:

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History-cels despair as their faculty numbers plummet:marseyfeynman::marseynietzsche::marseypharaohcat:

As you'd expect, of course someone brings up domination of leftoid/radlib ideologues as the reason for pushing people away.

It was evident two decades ago that academic historians were hollowing out their profession by elevating ideology & fads over the needs of students, public & long-term interests of univ & discipline. These figures are sad but reflect a generation of professional irresponsibility.

And it predictably it casues seethe from a lot of totally not leftist History-cels including a POC historian who says it's due to lack of funding.

This is a completely incorrect account of why the discipline declined in the academy. Historyโ€™s demise reflects the financialization of higher education & the decline of public/private support for humanities research. It has nothing to do with โ€œideology.โ€

Yeah "financialization". History in the past was a field where some talented polymath did all the research as a hobby. There's a very good reason why most people aren't interested in funding mediocre ideologues and their rants.

Goes on a long screed about how it's "finance capitalisms" fault while simultaneously arguing about how they should've convinced more billionaires to donate for their """"""research"""""".

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Some dude suggests offering more military history courses which would be cooler and that doesn't go well.

The popularity of history podcasts show this is self-inflicted. Why don't more colleges, for example, offer military history?

Terrible take. Podcasts are entertainment that might be informative on the side.

And you get +++ military history when studying a specific region/era.

But one teacher canโ€™t cover โ€œevery cool battle in all of historyโ€ with anything like depth or intellectual integrity.

Anyway. Lots of copium in there as they witness the slow decline of their field.

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Euphoria is a normal name girls have, right? :marseyclueless:

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[It's Ogre] THREAD: THE TWITTER FILES PART TWO. TWITTERโ€™S SECRET BLACKLISTS.

:#parrothmm:

Tweets just starting now and will probably be a slow trickle like the first thread

Lowlights (until I stop caring or get too drunk, whichever cums first)

3. Take, for example, Stanfordโ€™s Dr. Jay Bhattacharya who argued that Covid lockdowns would harm children. Twitter secretly placed him on a โ€œTrends Blacklist,โ€ which prevented his tweets from trending. (link has screenshot)

4. Or consider the popular right-wing talk show host, Dan Bongino who at one point was slapped with a โ€œSearch Blacklist.โ€ (link has screenshot)

5. Twitter set the account of conservative activist Charlie Kirk to โ€œDo Not Amplify.โ€ (link has screenshot)

13&14. But there existed a level beyond official ticketing, beyond the rank-and-file moderators following the companyโ€™s policy on paper. That is the โ€œSite Integrity Policy, Policy Escalation Support,โ€ known as โ€œSIP-PES.โ€ | This secret group included Head of Legal, Policy, and Trust (Vijaya Gadde), the Global Head of Trust & Safety (Yoel Roth), subsequent CEOs Jack Dorsey and Parag Agrawal, and others.

16. One of the accounts that rose to this level of scrutiny was @libsoftiktok an account that was on the โ€œTrends Blacklistโ€ and was designated as โ€œDo Not Take Action on User Without Consulting With SIP-PES.โ€ (link has SS)

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19. But in an internal SIP-PES memo from October 2022, after her seventh suspension, the committee acknowledged that โ€œLTT has not directly engaged in behavior violative of the Hateful Conduct policy." See here:

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22. When Raichik(@libsoftiktok) told Twitter that her address had been disseminated she says Twitter Support responded with this message: "We reviewed the reported content, and didn't find it to be in violation of the Twitter rules." No action was taken. The doxxing tweet is still up.

tldr Shadowbanning isn't shadowbanning if you call it something else r-slurs.

LibsofTikTok was so powerful that actions could only be taken by a secret team involving the CEO and other higher-ups :marseyemojirofl: Admit she didn't do nuffin, suspended her anyways and then did nothing when she herself was doxxed and threatened.

Life Lessons: Twitter threads are a shit way to drop hot "bombshells" since they're so fricking slow and you get drunk half-way through. Also conservatards are going to be crying and since they're deregulated( they got hard reading that word) now (on Twitter) you'll see them a lot more (on Twitter)

supplemental rocket daddy tweet

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Ye: "Trump is really impressed with Nick Fuentes"

also said apparently: "Kim is a BLEEEEEEEEEEEP"

and yelled at Ye he would lose 2024(?)

if this is not the top post on this site within 10 mins @Aevann this place is dead and broken

More: https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1595968154240327680

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1595968445366951937

ty @TraderOfSouls

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yeah, i disrupted a nationally televised trial, how can you tell
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:ben10: Required Reading Kevin Conroy, the voice actor for Batman for the last 30 years, just died

I was browsing facebook and saw that Tara Strong posted a tribute to him. My heart immediately sank and it caught me totally off guard.

Celebrity deaths don't normally hit me but this one did. I actually met him at a convention one time and got his autograph and a picture for free. The guy didn't charge anyone a penny and I always really admired that. His autograph is literally hanging on my wall right now.

The guy defined the role of Batman for 30 years far more than any of the live-action actors. Arkham City is still easily in my top 5 games of all time and I remember doing my homework in advance so that I could grind it on the night that it was released. I can't believe that I'll never hear him voice Batman again. It's honestly surreal because he's been the main voice of the character for my entire life.

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